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Trump reluctant to abandon Riyadh over missing journalist, wants evidence

By Leah Millis, Tulay Karadeniz and Steve Holland

 

Turkish police forensic experts arrive at the residence of Saudi Arabia's Consul General Mohammad al-Otaibi in Istanbul, Turkey October 17, 2018. REUTERS/Osman Orsal

 

ANKARA/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Wednesday he did not want to abandon close ally Saudi Arabia over the disappearance of a Saudi journalist and government critic, and he needed to see evidence to prove Turkish claims he was killed by Saudi agents.

 

Trump said he was waiting for a full report on what had happened to Jamal Khashoggi from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, whom he sent to Saudi Arabia and Turkey to meet with officials over the disappearance.

 

Turkish officials have said they believe Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist who was critical of the authoritarian kingdom's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, was murdered at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2 and his body removed. The Saudis have denied the allegations.

 

Turkish sources have told Reuters the authorities have an audio recording indicating Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate. He has not been seen since entering the building.

 

Turkey's pro-government Yeni Safak newspaper on Wednesday published what it said were details from audio recordings that purported to document Khashoggi's torture and interrogation.

 

Khashoggi was killed within minutes and his torturers severed his fingers during the interrogation, the newspaper said. His killers later beheaded and dismembered him, it said.

 

Turkey has not shared with the U.S. government or European allies graphic audio or video evidence, seven U.S. and European security officials told Reuters. The United States and allies have collected some intelligence through their own sources and methods, which partly confirms news reports based on leaks of audio recordings, four of the sources said.

 

A New York Times report cited a senior Turkish official confirming the details published by Yeni Safak. Two Turkish government officials contacted by Reuters declined to confirm the report.

 

Trump, who has forged closer ties with Saudi Arabia and the 33-year-old crown prince, said the United States has asked Turkey for any audio or video evidence.

 

Asked in a Fox Business Network interview if Washington could abandon Riyadh, Trump said: "I do not want to do that."

 

Trump reiterated his hopes that Saudi leaders were not involved in his disappearance of Khashoggi, a U.S. resident.

 

"We have asked for it, if it exists ... I'm not sure yet that it exists, probably does, possibly does," he later told reporters when asked about audio or video evidence.

 

U.S. media outlets have reported that Riyadh, despite its earlier denials of involvement, will acknowledge he was killed in a botched interrogation. Trump has speculated without providing evidence that "rogue killers" could be responsible.

 

How the crown prince emerges from the crisis is a test of how the West will deal with Saudi Arabia in the future.

 

Trump has appeared unwilling to distance himself too much from the Saudis, citing Riyadh's role in countering Iranian influence in the region - and tens of billions of dollars in potential arms deals.

 

Other Western nations, although expressing concern about the incident, face a similar delicate situation in their dealings with the world's top oil exporter.

 

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Pompeo meanwhile said Riyadh should be given a few more days to complete its own probe into Khashoggi's disappearance. He met Turkey's president and foreign minister, a day after Trump gave Saudi Arabia the benefit of the doubt.

 

"They're going to do an investigation, and when the investigation comes out we'll evaluate it," Pompeo told reporters travelling with him.

 

A State Department spokeswoman said Pompeo had not heard any audio recording purporting to indicate Khashoggi was killed.

 

Pompeo also said the United States must be mindful of important business and government ties with Saudi Arabia as it considers any steps once the facts have been determined.

 

Turkish investigators entered the Saudi consul's residence on Wednesday after delays. Their search included the roof and garage, and the deployment of a drone over the premises. The consul-general had left Turkey for Riyadh on Tuesday.

 

A pro-government Turkish daily published preliminary evidence last week from investigators who it said had identified a 15-member Saudi intelligence team that arrived in Istanbul on diplomatic passports hours before Khashoggi disappeared.

 

A New York Times report, citing witnesses and other records, linked four suspects to Prince Mohammed's security detail.

 

One name matches a LinkedIn profile for a forensic expert who has worked at the interior ministry for 20 years. Another is identified in a diplomatic directory from 2007 as a first secretary at the Saudi Embassy in London. Others resemble officers in the Saudi Army and Air Force.

 

After his meetings with the king and crown prince on Tuesday, Pompeo said Saudi Arabia has committed to conducting a full investigation.

 

Asked whether they said Khashoggi was alive or dead, Pompeo said: "They didn't talk about any of the facts."

 

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Prince Mohammed has painted himself as the face of a new, vibrant Saudi Arabia, diversifying its economy away from reliance on oil and making some social changes.

 

But there has been criticism of some of his moves, including Riyadh's involvement in the Yemen war, the arrest of women activists, and a diplomatic row with Canada.

 

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said his plans to attend an investment conference in Riyadh next week would be revisited on Thursday after U.S. officials have a chance to consult Pompeo. IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde, and top executives from Societe Generale <SOGN.PA> and Glencore joined a growing list of executives who have pulled out.

 

Saudi Arabia has said it would retaliate against any pressure or economic sanctions.

 

Marine General Joseph Dunford, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, met his Saudi counterpart on Wednesday for previously scheduled talks, according to a U.S. military readout that made no mention of Khashoggi.

 

(Reporting by Leah Millis, Tulay Karadeniz and Steve Holland; additional reporting by Makini Brice, Lesley Wroughton and Mark Hosenball in Washington, Ali Kucukgocmen and Daren Butler in Istanbul and Gulsen Solaker and Orhan Coskun in Ankara; Writing by Stephen Kalin and David Dolan; Editing by William Maclean, Angus MacSwan and Grant McCool)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-10-18

 

[Thailand]

It was those nasty rogue elements who hang around inside embassies waiting to kill any passing dissidents.

 

[Stargeezr]

Trump knows just who puts the butter on his American bread.

What a suck up.

Geezer

[sanemax]

27 minutes ago, webfact said:

U.S. media outlets have reported that Riyadh, despite its earlier denials of involvement, will acknowledge he was killed in a botched interrogation

Severing his head was quite a stern "integration" 

How did they expect him to answer any questions , with his head chopped off ?

[Lungstib]

Given Trumps ability to deny virtually anything I see no problem with just the disappearance of one man, who incidentally was a journalist, not his favourite species. Anyway, whats all the fuss about a lone specimen when your exports to the KSA are killing thousands of innocent people in the Yemen. Thats the world of business, who cares about a few bodies. 

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, Lungstib said:

Given Trumps ability to deny virtually anything I see no problem with just the disappearance of one man, who incidentally was a journalist, not his favourite species. Anyway, whats all the fuss about a lone specimen when your exports to the KSA are killing thousands of innocent people in the Yemen. Thats the world of business, who cares about a few bodies. 

I agree , its only one person , lots of people die everyday .

He insulted someone and the insulted person beat him up , happens everyday .

Although I do think that the killers should face manslaughter charges

[bristolboy]

12 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I agree , its only one person , lots of people die everyday .

He insulted someone and the insulted person beat him up , happens everyday .

Although I do think that the killers should face manslaughter charges

Manslaughter? Because it wasn't premeditated?

[blazes]

Treading on eggs around the Saudis and their evil system has been going on for decades.  So long as SA can pony up the billions to purchase weapons from the US and UK and other arms-manufacturing countries, the latter will always turn a blind eye to routine horrors of Saudi origin.

[metisdead]

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[mtls2005]

 

[alanrchase]

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Quite amazing. Another Trump appointee looses all credibility. Is it a contagious disease?

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[mtls2005]

7 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

Quite amazing. Another Trump appointee looses all credibility. Is it a contagious disease?

 

It's in the NDA, must sign over soul and any remaining credibility.

 

In all seriousness, this is way above his pay-grade, so he'll do whatever Jared tells him to do.

 

 

[Tug]

The Saudis aren’t going to kill any arms deal with us over this botched murder of a journalist it is a perfect opportunity to hold their feet to the fire (well deserved I might add)that would take leadership and courage sadly lacking in this administration 

[Sealbash]

Trump waiting for evidence. This is just not the American democratic policy.


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[Stargeezr]

Yup 9  11 and this stuff is not enough to say, Enough!! to SA and the Middle East.

Shame on you Donald,  I did not think the country USA was like one of your

poorly ran businesses. Guess I thought  wrong.

Geezer

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

Yup 9  11 and this stuff is not enough to say, Enough!! to SA and the Middle East.

Shame on you Donald,  I did not think the country USA was like one of your

poorly ran businesses. Guess I thought  wrong.

Geezer

It would be rather extreme for the USA to cut ties with Saudi Arabia , just because one journalist may have accidentally died during questioning 

[alanrchase]

It would be rather extreme for the USA to cut ties with Saudi Arabia , just because one journalist may have accidentally died during questioning 

How many journalists would it take?

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[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

How many journalists would it take?

At least ten (depending on who they were) , with some journalist , that figure should be upped to indefinite 

[neeray]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Manslaughter? Because it wasn't premeditated?

Chopping a journalists fingers off first so that he can't keyboard and then decapitating him so he can't talk, having lured him into a trap to perform these horrifying acts sounds more like first degree murder to me.

But heh, Trump seems to be defending the "chief architect" behind this. Defend the perpetrator, mock the victim; true Trump style.

[alanrchase]

At least ten (depending on who they were) , with some journalist , that figure should be upped to indefinite 

Interesting. Assume an attempt at humour/troll? In today's world possibly a serious comment.

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[mtls2005]

20 minutes ago, sanemax said:

At least ten (depending on who they were) , with some journalist , that figure should be upped to indefinite 

 

I can just hear the new rally chant...

 

"Cut them up, cut them up, cut them up".

[sanemax]

19 minutes ago, neeray said:

Chopping a journalists fingers off first so that he can't keyboard and then decapitating him so he can't talk, having lured him into a trap to perform these horrifying acts sounds more like first degree murder to me.

But heh, Trump seems to be defending the "chief architect" behind this. Defend the perpetrator, mock the victim; true Trump style.

It needs to be established whether the order was to kill him .

Seems like the order was to take him back to Saudi Arabia .

Seems like the interrogators made a mistake in their handling of the situation .

Put the integrators on trial  and thats all that needs to be done

[cycolista]

14 minutes ago, sanemax said:

It needs to be established whether the order was to kill him .

Seems like the order was to take him back to Saudi Arabia .

Seems like the interrogators made a mistake in their handling of the situation .

Put the integrators on trial  and thats all that needs to be done

Maybe the mistake could have been avoided if they left the bone saw at home.

[malibukid]

Trumpy will glady been over and take it from the Saudi's while his Christian Evangelels minions will neal piously and watch. meanwhile  anyone who buys their oil has blood on their hands, thank god i can still walk

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[neeray]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

It needs to be established whether the order was to kill him .

Seems like the order was to take him back to Saudi Arabia .

Seems like the interrogators made a mistake in their handling of the situation .

Put the integrators on trial  and thats all that needs to be done

Come on. Let's not be naïve.

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, neeray said:

Come on. Let's not be naïve.

If you believe that there were orders direct from Riyadh  to kill him , what are you basing that on ?

   If they meant to kill him , they wouldnt have done it in the Embassy 

[alanrchase]

If you believe that there were orders direct from Riyadh  to kill him , what are you basing that on ?
   If they meant to kill him , they wouldnt have done it in the Embassy 

I would like your explanation of why they wouldn't have done it in the embassy. They knew he would be there. I do agree it could have been a balls up.

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[mtls2005]

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

If they meant to kill him , they wouldnt have done it in the Embassy 

Oh really. Do tell.

 

The audio recording of the lead Saudi interrogator telling the Consul, who was protesting the de-fingering in his office, to "shut up if he wants to live when he returns home" seems damning.

 

I don't think this was a rendition gone awry. Decapitating someone seems more than likely to lead to death?

 

But keep digging, I'm sure you'll come up with a mutually acceptable line of defense.

[neeray]

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

If you believe that there were orders direct from Riyadh  to kill him , what are you basing that on ?

   If they meant to kill him , they wouldnt have done it in the Embassy 

Much of the extensive news coverage that I am following on this has ample indication of a planned murder. And like another poster eluded to, why did they take a bone saw to the event?

[sanemax]

6 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

I would like your explanation of why they wouldn't have done it in the embassy. They knew he would be there. I do agree it could have been a balls up.
 

All the furor that is has caused would be a reason as to why they wouldnt want to do it at the Embassy  , it would have been better to get him to Saudi and make him disappear there , if thats what they intended to do .

  If they wanted him dead , they could have done it away from the embassy and leaving no evidence