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Poland's eurosceptic leaders, far right mark independence centenary at mass march

By Joanna Plucinska and Pawel Florkiewicz

 

People carry flags of Italian far-right party Forza Nuova and Polish far-right movement National Radical Camp (ONR) during a march marking the 100th anniversary of Polish independence in Warsaw, Poland November 11, 2018. Agencja Gazeta/Kuba Atys via REUTERS

 

WARSAW (Reuters) - Poland's eurosceptic leaders marked a century of national independence on Sunday as more than 200,000 people marched through the capital in a parade involving far-right groups and neo-fascist activists from Italy.

 

The march is a focus of debate about whether the ruling Law and Justice Party (PiS) tacitly encourages groups with roots in the fascist and anti-Semitic movements. The party won power in 2015 and Poland has since become increasingly isolated in Europe amid accusations of a tilt towards authoritarian rule.

 

Some marchers in Warsaw chanted: "Away with the EU" but there was no sign of white supremacist banners visible at last year's march.

Government officials walked at a distance from the main marchers, away from any overt displays of nationalism, and they were kept separate by security forces.

 

"Thank you for coming here, for Poland, and for bringing the white and red (Polish) flag which saw our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers spill their blood," President Andrzej Duda, a PiS ally, said at the start of the march.

 

"There is space for everyone under our flags," he said.

 

Several hundred metres behind the government column, participants held banners saying "God, Honour, Homeland" and launched red flares, blanketing sections of the march with smoke.

 

Some chanted: "Pride, pride, national pride" and "Yesterday it was Moscow, today it is Brussels, stripping us of our sovereignty."

 

Warsaw's city mayor sought to ban a far-right march held on Nov. 11 annually for almost a decade but a court overruled her.

 

The government then agreed with organisers after last-minute talks to hold a joint event to mark a 100 years since Poland's 1918 declaration of independence after an 18th century partition by Russia, Austria and Germany.

 

"It was the biggest march of free Poles in a free Poland ever," government spokeswoman Joanna Kopcinska told state PAP news agency.

 

"GREAT PATRIOTS"

Last year, the annual far-right march was dotted with racist banners such as "pure blood, clear mind" and "Europe will be white or uninhabited".

 

Those slogans fuelled concern about the rise of xenophobia in Poland at a time when other European countries are also grappling with a resurgence of the far right.

 

PiS says it rejects anti-Semitism and racism but critics accuse it of quietly siding with the far-right.

 

While insisting Poland should remain in the EU, PiS refuses to allow immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa into the country, and says more decision-making power should be moved from Brussels to national capitals.

 

The party taps into frustration with liberal values and anti-establishment sentiment that has galvanized far-right voters in other parts of Europe. It promises more Catholic faith and patriotism in public life and more state say in the economy.

 

"Remember the shameful slogans of last year's Nov. 11 march?," centrist lawmaker Marcin Kierwinski said on Twitter on Saturday. "A year later, their authors are meeting with the president and prime minister instead of a prosecutor."

 

Some participants carried banners with religious and anti-abortion images.

 

"The organizers of the Independence March ... are great patriots. In our times, the youth wasn't this patriotic," said Teresa Radzikowska, a 70-year-old retiree from central Poland who attended the march.

 

Before the late-night agreement with the government on Friday to hold a joint event, organisers had said they expected the march to be the biggest far-right event in Europe in years.

 

One foreign participant said he came to Warsaw because Poland "had not lost its national identity."

 

"You've not bowed down to Islam and you're not bowing down to globalism either," said James Goddard, who travelled from Leicester in central England just for the march.

 

On Nov. 11 Poles commemorate the establishment of the second Polish republic in 1918 from territory seized by its eastern and Western neighbours in the 18th century, made possible by the defeat of Russia, Germany and Austria in World War One. World leaders gathered in Paris on Sunday to mark the end of the war.

 

(Additional reporting by Pawel Sobczak, Kacper Pempel and Karol Witenberg, writing by Justyna Pawlak; Editing by Matthew Mpoke Bigg)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-11-12

[lovelomsak]

I am surprised to see this on TV. Did not think it express's TV views or agenda.

  

2 hours ago, webfact said:

"Remember the shameful slogans of last year's Nov. 11 march?," centrist lawmaker Marcin Kierwinski said on Twitter on Saturday. "A year later, their authors are meeting with the president and prime minister instead of a prosecutor."

I know little about Poland and what has gone on there,  But have to admire their willingness make a statement. 

  I have no idea what influence this will have on the world stage. 

  Takes a lot of guts to do what Poland is doing. 

[Xaos]

I am Polish. Most of news reports are lies and leftiest propaganda. There was small group with doggy banners but u cant stop ppl coming. Like there were italian fascists, Poland is open country every one can come and protest.

There was 300k patriots marching in Warsaw. And more in other cities, around 500k total.

Some media dont even mention it like BBC....

Bruksel call it nazis march. While theres families with kids.

Globalists, hate it they scare of it.

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Check out these search results: https://twitter.com/hashtag/MarszNiepodelg%C5%82o%C5%9Bci?s=09

[Xaos]

[marqus12]

i have better one

 

[Xaos]

i have better one
 

Yeh saw it on fb. Anthem

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[Chomper Higgot]

13 hours ago, Xaos said:

I am Polish. Most of news reports are lies and leftiest propaganda. There was small group with doggy banners but u cant stop ppl coming. Like there were italian fascists, Poland is open country every one can come and protest.

There was 300k patriots marching in Warsaw. And more in other cities, around 500k total.

Some media dont even mention it like BBC....

Bruksel call it nazis march. While theres families with kids.

Globalists, hate it they scare of it.

See more

Check out these search results: https://twitter.com/hashtag/MarszNiepodelg%C5%82o%C5%9Bci?s=09
 

BBC Radio 4 ran a 1 hour segment on this today that included contributions from Polish commentators/academics and a detailed explanation that the march was almost entirely ‘centrist’. 

 

The discussion included historical context and the difficulties the government face keeping the extreme right from co-opting the march.

 

You are correct to question how this is portrayed but claim it is ‘leftist propaganda’ is off the mark.

 

The extreme right is publicising narrowly focused views of this march as ‘evidence’ of growing support.

 

The effectiveness of that campaign can be seen in the positive responses of right wing TVF members in this thread.

[Xaos]

BBC Radio 4 ran a 1 hour segment on this today that included contributions from Polish commentators/academics and a detailed explanation that the march was almost entirely ‘centrist’. 
 
The discussion included historical context and the difficulties the government face keeping the extreme right from co-opting the march.
 
You are correct to question how this is portrayed but claim it is ‘leftist propaganda’ is off the mark.
 
The extreme right is publicising narrowly focused views of this march as ‘evidence’ of growing support.
 
The effectiveness of that campaign can be seen in the positive responses of right wing TVF members in this thread.

Its absolutely not of the mark. They call it on media a nazis fasist march and thats its so scarry that some jews had to leave city cuz they terrified.

While in fact there were families with small kids.

Black students

Immigrants etc marching together hand in hand.

Polish gov is scare of the power of the ppl.

No joke

Whats polish army? 50k ppl?

And in Warsaw alone 250-300k marching. Remember it was in every other city in Poland too, Wroclaw Krakow Poznan Gdynia etc... They just show u capitol.

True theres small groups of extremists and ppl who use it for political agendas. But polish constitution guarantee same rights to protest etc for everyone.

Before when PO was in power, Donal Tusk left party, there were always prowokations like undercover cops putting things on fire and blaming patriots on it. Now since PIS right party in power there is no things like that its peaceful no one get hurt no windows broken no fires. And left they hate it too.

Still some leftists jewish city majors tried like in Wrocław Warsaw they tried ban delegalize it on same day as march. Says for safety, which is lie.

Police were arresting ppl holding patriotic banners Like death to enemies of Poland which is ww2 slogan in polish.

They arrested guy holding slogan that is on polish special forces GROM printed.

All done on the orders of leftist police bosses.

Now they will try nationalise this march so they can have control over it ppl say.

Personally I doubt it will work out.

For me its fun to see all this funny journalists jews etc in shock and cry on twitter calling Poland nazi racist etc.

In that pic i know its Catalonia and Tunisia, but it proves the point.

[Xaos]

Oh and one more fun fact, cops look for guy who put on fire EU flag, they set like 1500$ award if u snitch him.

So his friend went to cops and gave him in. Name etc.

Easy money cuz EU dont have flag its not country. Its an logo. Not protected by law like national flags.

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[Xaos]

[Chomper Higgot]

On 11/14/2018 at 11:11 AM, Xaos said:

Its absolutely not of the mark. They call it on media a nazis fasist march and thats its so scarry that some jews had to leave city cuz they terrified.

While in fact there were families with small kids.

Black students

Immigrants etc marching together hand in hand.

Polish gov is scare of the power of the ppl.

No joke

Whats polish army? 50k ppl?

And in Warsaw alone 250-300k marching. Remember it was in every other city in Poland too, Wroclaw Krakow Poznan Gdynia etc... They just show u capitol.

True theres small groups of extremists and ppl who use it for political agendas. But polish constitution guarantee same rights to protest etc for everyone.

Before when PO was in power, Donal Tusk left party, there were always prowokations like undercover cops putting things on fire and blaming patriots on it. Now since PIS right party in power there is no things like that its peaceful no one get hurt no windows broken no fires. And left they hate it too.

Still some leftists jewish city majors tried like in Wrocław Warsaw they tried ban delegalize it on same day as march. Says for safety, which is lie.

Police were arresting ppl holding patriotic banners Like death to enemies of Poland which is ww2 slogan in polish.

They arrested guy holding slogan that is on polish special forces GROM printed.

All done on the orders of leftist police bosses.

Now they will try nationalise this march so they can have control over it ppl say.

Personally I doubt it will work out.

For me its fun to see all this funny journalists jews etc in shock and cry on twitter calling Poland nazi racist etc.

In that pic i know its Catalonia and Tunisia, but it proves the point.

“Before when PO was in power, Donal Tusk left party, there were always prowokations like undercover cops putting things on fire and blaming patriots on it. Now since PIS right party in power there is no things like that its peaceful no one get hurt no windows broken no fires. And left they hate it too.”

 

You ought to consider the possibility that you might have wrongly attributed the acts of arson.

[Xaos]

“Before when PO was in power, Donal Tusk left party, there were always prowokations like undercover cops putting things on fire and blaming patriots on it. Now since PIS right party in power there is no things like that its peaceful no one get hurt no windows broken no fires. And left they hate it too.”
 
You ought to consider the possibility that you might have wrongly attributed the acts of arson.

No this came out and was major scandal in Poland.

When left was in power for 8 years theres always were fighitngs and trouble in national day.

Now heres good one. Gazeta Wyborcza owned by Michnik a jew whos brother was stalinist judge and sentenced many poles ye. That newsoaper painted jurnalist in black and sended him in to crowd of polish patriots marching with flags, hoping it will turn racist but nothing happened lol and they ended up being laugh.

[Xaos]

[lovelomsak]

7 hours ago, Xaos said:

 

This post has to be the best I have seen. I knew Poland had a long rough history. But not as hard as as I imagined till I hear what he has to say.  May they be the poster country for what the right is all about and clear out all the trash misunderstanding that have been created, by media and politicians.

Edited November 17, 2018 by lovelomsak

[ballpoint]

On ‎11‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 11:11 AM, Xaos said:

Still some leftists jewish city majors tried like in Wrocław Warsaw they tried ban delegalize it on same day as march.

 

On ‎11‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 11:11 AM, Xaos said:

For me its fun to see all this funny journalists jews etc in shock and cry on twitter calling Poland nazi racist etc

 

10 hours ago, Xaos said:

Now heres good one. Gazeta Wyborcza owned by Michnik a jew whos brother was stalinist judge and sentenced many poles ye.

Those nasty Jews.  If only someone would do something about them.

[lovelomsak]

2 hours ago, ballpoint said:

 

 

Those nasty Jews.  If only someone would do something about them.

You really missed the point on the posts you quoted.

  The point he was making was that anything right wing will be considered nazi by the ill informed.

  And you just make it more apparent by your vile post.That misinformed people have rights we allow them but can point out their mistakes to try and help them understand better

[Opl]

edited, 

Edited November 17, 2018 by Opl

[lovelomsak]

Why do people relate right wing with fascism? 

  Mussolini who created fascism was first a socialist leader and editor of a socialist paper. Mussolini was neither Nazi either he was creating fascism long before Hitler came into the picture.

  So why do people now see right wingers as fascist are they just poorly informed or do not care?

  Take a good look at your socialist spokemen and see what direction they are taking you. Fascism stems from socialism.