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I'm going to see this through': UK PM May vows to fight for Brexit deal

By Elizabeth Piper, Kylie MacLellan and William James

 

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May holds a news conference at Downing Street in London, November 15, 2018. Matt Dunham/Pool via Reuters

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Theresa May vowed to fight for her draft divorce deal with the European Union on Thursday after the resignation of her Brexit secretary and other ministers put her strategy and her job in peril.

 

Just over 12 hours after May announced that her cabinet had agreed to the terms of the deal, Brexit minister Dominic Raab and work and pensions minister Esther McVey resigned.

 

Eurosceptics in May's Conservative Party said they had submitted letters calling for a vote of no confidence in her leadership.

 

May called a news conference at her Downing Street residence to underline her determination to stay the course.

 

Asked if she would contest any challenge to her position, she replied: "Am I going to see this through? Yes."

 

However, hostility from government and opposition lawmakers raised the risk that the deal would be rejected in parliament, and that Britain could leave the EU on March 29 without a safety net.

 

That prospect pushed the pound <GBP=D3> down as much as 2 percent to $1.2731, although it recovered slightly after May's statement.

The main stock index in Ireland, which is highly dependent on trade with Britain, plunged 3.8 percent.

 

The German carmaker BMW, which produces its Mini model in Britain, said that, with the political situation so uncertain, it would continue to prepare for a 'no-deal' Brexit.

 

"BEST DEAL FOR BRITAIN"

Two junior ministers, two ministerial aides and the Conservatives' vice chairman joined Raab and McVey in quitting.

 

May said she understood their unhappiness, but added: "I believe with every fibre of my being that the course I have set out is the right one for our country and all our people ...

 

"I am going to do my job of getting the best deal for Britain."

 

By seeking to preserve the closest possible ties with the EU, May has upset her party's many advocates of a clean break, and Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), which props up her minority government.

 

Meanwhile, proponents of closer relations with the EU in her own party and the Labour opposition say the deal squanders the advantages of membership for little gain.

 

Both sides say it effectively cedes power to the EU without securing the promised benefits of greater autonomy.

 

"It is ... mathematically impossible to get this deal through the House of Commons. The stark reality is that it was dead on arrival," said Conservative Brexit-supporting lawmaker Mark Francois.

 

The deal will need the backing of about 320 of parliament's 650 MPs to pass.

 

The ultimate outcome remains uncertain. Scenarios include May's deal ultimately winning approval; May losing her job; Britain leaving the bloc with no agreement; or even another referendum.

 

"WORSE THAN ANTICIPATED"

Analysts from U.S. bank Citi <C.N> said Britain was now likely either to stay in the EU or leave without a deal.

 

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of a Conservative eurosceptic group in parliament, said the draft was "worse than anticipated", and he had formally requested a vote of no confidence in May.

 

At least 14 Conservative lawmakers openly said they had submitted such letters, although others could have done so secretly. Forty-eight are needed to trigger a challenge.

 

But May told parliament: "The choice is clear. We can choose to leave with no deal, we can risk no Brexit at all, or we can choose to unite and support the best deal that can be negotiated."

 

Rees-Mogg told journalists the next prime minister should be someone who believed in Brexit.

 

But a May ally, former interior minister Amber Rudd, told Sky News: "The problem isn't the prime minister. The problem is the challenges she's got to deliver in trying to pull together this Brexit. She's the best person to do it."

 

The Labour Party said the government was "falling apart".

 

"NO ABILITY TO EXIT"

In parliament, lawmakers from all sides spent three hours mostly attacking the draft, agreed with the EU on Tuesday after more than a year of difficult negotiations.

 

"No democratic nation has ever signed up to be bound by such an extensive regime, imposed externally without any democratic control over the laws to be applied, nor the ability to decide to exit the arrangement," Raab said in his resignation letter.

 

Others said the so-called "Irish backstop", to be used if no better way can be found to avoid future checks on the border between the British province of Northern Ireland and EU-member Ireland, would tear Britain apart, leaving Northern Ireland all but inside the EU's single market.

 

It was this arrangement, which sees Britain and the EU establishing a single customs territory, but Northern Ireland aligned more closely with the EU, that spurred most criticism.

 

The DUP has threatened to pull its support from the minority government if the backstop means the province is treated differently from mainland Britain.

 

EU leaders are ready to meet on Nov. 25 to sign off on the divorce deal, or Withdrawal Agreement, but French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe summed up the uncertainty when he said events in London raised concerns about whether it would be ratified.

 

"We need to prepare ourselves for a no-deal Brexit," he said.

 

A group of EU states including France also raised objections to what has been agreed so far on fishing between the EU and UK after Brexit, diplomatic sources said.

 

Raab, 44, was named Brexit secretary in July after the resignation of his predecessor David Davis, who also quit in protest at May's strategy.

 

At the heart of Raab's criticism was the belief that the pursuit of a temporary customs union with the EU would be the starting point for talks on the future relationship with the bloc, "severely prejudicing" what Britain could achieve.

 

He said he could not support an indefinite backstop arrangement, and that May's plan threatened the integrity of the United Kingdom.

 

(Additional reporting by Sarah Young, Kate Holton, Costas Pitas, David Milliken, Andrew MacAskill, Andy Bruce and Alistair Smout; Writing by Elizabeth Piper and Michael Holden; Editing by Guy Faulconbridge)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-11-16

 

[Samui Bodoh]

I don't know if TM will survive. I doubt it, but... who else could achieve a majority of support?

 

I don't know if there will be a 'hard Brexit', a 'soft Brexit', or no 'Brexit'.

 

I would bet my life savings that the UK (sadly) will finish up this process smaller, poorer. less influential and diminished.

 

In the twentieth century, the name "Chamberlain" was shorthand for political stupidity of the highest order. I hope that the UK will make the name 'Cameron' the twenty-first century's shorthand for political stupidity; he deserves the "credit" for what he did.

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Samui Bodoh

[Guest]

How much an possibility would there be to create new Centre party in UK?

Let the extremist have both Tory and Labour parties and form a middle party, which would be filled by the more moderately thinking people who are able to think and act like adults?

 

That way the loud and extreme cliques inside the current parties would get far less attention and power in politics. I assume most of the moderately thinking people / voters would welcome that option. 

 

 

[Topdoc]

The EU is a sinking ship. Jumping overboard, even without a life jacket, is still a better option

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Topdoc said:

The EU is a sinking ship. Jumping overboard, even without a life jacket, is still a better option

Oh no, not this one again. 

 

Let's be frank. At this point it's the UK which is the sinking island, well at least the lower part of the island. 

[Topdoc]

12 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Oh no, not this one again. 

 

Let's be frank. At this point it's the UK which is the sinking island, well at least the lower part of the island. 

Actually, the EU economy is rolling over right as we speak.

For example: Italian bank share prices -35.95% in the past 6 months

https://www.borsaitaliana.it/borsa/indici/indici-settoriali/dettaglio.html?indexCode=IT8300&amp;lang=en 

This is not just a little blip, it's a massive systemic collapse.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Topdoc said:

Actually, the EU economy is rolling over right as we speak.

For example: Italian bank share prices -35.95% in the past 6 months

https://www.borsaitaliana.it/borsa/indici/indici-settoriali/dettaglio.html?indexCode=IT8300&amp;lang=en 

This is not just a little blip, it's a massive systemic collapse.

And yet it's still 10% higher than couple of years ago.. stock prices tend to fluctuate. 

 

And btw. 

Quote

Following exchange privatisation in 1997, the Company was established and became effective since 2 January 1998.^[3] It is now a subsidiary of the London Stock Exchange Group plc since 23 June 2007.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borsa_Italiana

 

[Brunolem]

10 minutes ago, Topdoc said:

Actually, the EU economy is rolling over right as we speak.

For example: Italian bank share prices -35.95% in the past 6 months

https://www.borsaitaliana.it/borsa/indici/indici-settoriali/dettaglio.html?indexCode=IT8300&amp;lang=en 

This is not just a little blip, it's a massive systemic collapse.

Indeed, the EU is doomed because of the euro...it's a mathematical certainty, always has been...

 

If the EU was so strong, it wouldn't care about the UK leaving...after all the less members there are, the bigger the shares of the cake, except that there is no cake!

 

The EU is a modern version of the former Soviet Union, with its all poweful unelected politburo in Brussels...once you are in it, you can't leave, or else...until the whole thing will collapse under its own weight...

[whatsupdoc]

3 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Indeed, the EU is doomed because of the euro...it's a mathematical certainty, always has been...

 

If the EU was so strong, it wouldn't care about the UK leaving...after all the less members there are, the bigger the shares of the cake, except that there is no cake!

 

The EU is a modern version of the former Soviet Union, with its all poweful unelected politburo in Brussels...once you are in it, you can't leave, or else...until the whole thing will collapse under its own weight...

A post like this with the signature "Education is the progressive discovery of our ignorance". Hilarious! QED.

[Guest]

Now replace EU and UK with some other countries, you might think again what you said earlier.

 

If the UK was so strong, it wouldn't care about the Scotland and NI leaving...after all the less members there are, the bigger the shares of the cake, except that there is no cake!

 

If the USA was so strong, it wouldn't care about the Texas and California leaving...after all the less members there are, the bigger the shares of the cake, except that there is no cake!

 

So are UK, USA weak if they don't want some of their parts to leave their unions? 

[Brunolem]

17 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

A post like this with the signature "Education is the progressive discovery of our ignorance". Hilarious! QED.

Facts please?

Laughing is not a proof of knowledge...

[sandyf]

It was quite clear from yesterdays session that the majority of the House was against the proposed plan. Of course it is the EU that is the undemocratic and intransigent negotiator, paranoia or what.

Edited November 16, 2018 by sandyf

[whatsupdoc]

Just now, Brunolem said:

Facts please?

Laughing is not a proof of knowledge...

No, but your previous post is proof of ignorance. When you come up with coherent arguments (not empty soundbites) a meaningful fact-based discussion might be possible.

[Brunolem]

18 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Now replace EU and UK with some other countries, you might think again what you said earlier.

 

If the UK was so strong, it wouldn't care about the Scotland and NI leaving...after all the less members there are, the bigger the shares of the cake, except that there is no cake!

 

If the USA was so strong, it wouldn't care about the Texas and California leaving...after all the less members there are, the bigger the shares of the cake, except that there is no cake!

 

So are UK, USA weak if they don't want some of their parts to leave their unions? 

First, you compare issues that are not comparable.

 

On one side there is a long history, on the other side there is just a deal for economic purposes.

 

On top of that, the difference between an American from Virginia and an American from Texas is nothing compared with the difference between a Dutch and a Greek!

 

Having said that, refusing to grant autonomy to those who desire it, as in Catalonia recently, is always a sign of weakness from the central government.

 

Don't be fooled, the only reason why they want to keep all the parts together is always purely financial!

 

How would Spain fare economically without Catalonia, and the US without California?

 

And do you think Brussels wants to keep the UK in out of pure love for the Brits?

[whatsupdoc]

3 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

First, you compare issues that are not comparable.

 

On one side there is a long history, on the other side there is just a deal for economic purposes.

 

On top of that, the difference between an American from Virginia and an American from Texas is nothing compared with the difference between a Dutch and a Greek!

 

Having said that, refusing to grant autonomy to those who desire it, as in Catalonia recently, is always a sign of weakness from the central government.

 

Don't be fooled, the only reason why they want to keep all the parts together is always purely financial!

 

How would Spain fare economically without Catalonia, and the US without California?

 

And do you think Brussels wants to keep the UK in out of pure love for the Brits?

Autonomy for Catalonia is an internal Spanish matter. The EU cannot and will not interfere with that.

[Brunolem]

2 minutes ago, whatsupdoc said:

No, but your previous post is proof of ignorance. When you come up with coherent arguments (not empty soundbites) a meaningful fact-based discussion might be possible.

An easy one...accusing the opponent of ignorance in order to refuse to provide contradictory facts!

 

There are countless publications about the EU and the euro, including entire books, which I am not going to list here.

 

Yet, if you want to have a feel for how good things are in this union, you might want to give a good look at the ECB Target 2, which you obviously know plenty about.

 

That's not a soundbite, but hard financial data...

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

And do you think Brussels wants to keep the UK in out of pure love for the Brits?

What we have seen in the past 2 years, not even Queen Elisabeth can feel pure love toward Brits. 

 

EU is community of European countries and people who share similar ideologies. It's also a business community, where we have more negotiation power together than alone. 

 

I was quite sad to see UK to leave our EU, but at this moment I'm quite happy to get rid of all the drama UK has caused to us. 

[Brunolem]

7 minutes ago, oilinki said:

 

EU is community of European countries and people who share similar ideologies. It's also a business community, where we have more negotiation power together than alone. 

 

This is the BS that is peddled by the globalists who promote the mantra that bigger is better, when the hard facts prove the opposite.

 

Which countries always come at the top of almost all the rankings?

 

Always the same: Singapore, Switzerland, Finland, South Korea...

 

Small or relatively small countries which are not prisoners of any union, and yet manage to do very well.

 

As the economist EF Schumacher said in the namesake book: Small is Beautiful.

[whatsupdoc]

2 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

This is the BS that is peddled by the globalists who promote the mantra that bigger is better, when the hard facts prove the opposite.

 

Which countries always come at the top of almost all the rankings?

 

Always the same: Singapore, Switzerland, Finland, South Korea...

 

Small or relatively small countries which are not prisoners of any union, and yet manage to do very well.

 

As the economist EF Schumacher said in the namesake book: Small is Beautiful.

Finland is an EU member.....

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Which countries always come at the top of almost all the rankings?

 

Always the same: Singapore, Switzerland, Finland, South Korea...

 

What is common for these countries is that we all has put a lot of effort and resources to provide great education. That investment pays well in the long run. 

 

 

[worgeordie]

She is too soft ,and looks like she has given into everything

the EU puts forward,what we would need is a Maggie Thatcher

type person,trouble is we don't have one,what is on the cards

now is a bad deal,better to tell the EU,to F@#k off,give them

NO money and go it alone,they have their foot on the UK's 

neck,pushing hard,as they cannot make it easy ,as they are

afraid others would leave .

regards Worgeordie

[Basil B]

41 minutes ago, oilinki said:

What we have seen in the past 2 years, not even Queen Elisabeth can feel pure love toward Brits. 

 

EU is community of European countries and people who share similar ideologies. It's also a business community, where we have more negotiation power together than alone. 

 

I was quite sad to see UK to leave our EU, but at this moment I'm quite happy to get rid of all the drama UK has caused to us. 

Yes... It not only the UK that has suffered following the "Cameron" folly.

 

But please remember it was only carried by a small percentage, nearly half us Brits voted to remain.

 

Tusk has said he want us to remain but I can not see that happening with the open hostility that is now festering in this very open septic and painful wound. 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Basil B

[Basil B]

16 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

She is too soft ,and looks like she has given into everything

the EU puts forward,what we would need is a Maggie Thatcher

type person,trouble is we don't have one,what is on the cards

now is a bad deal,better to tell the EU,to F@#k off,give them

NO money and go it alone,they have their foot on the UK's 

neck,pushing hard,as they cannot make it easy ,as they are

afraid others would leave .

regards Worgeordie

You are right on she was too soft, should have put a brick or two in her hand bag and given those who have undermined her a good hand bagging as soon as they got out of line.

 

Her folly was that General Election...

Edited November 16, 2018 by Basil B

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Yes... It not only the UK that has suffered following the "Cameron" folly.

 

But please remember it was only carried by a small percentage, nearly half us Brits voted to remain.

 

Tusk has said he want us to remain but I can not see that happening with the open hostility that is now festering in this very open septic and painful wound. 

I think every European knows that it was just a minority, a loud minority, which really wanted UK to leave EU. At this point, I wouldn't mind this arrogant minority to suffer a bit of tough love by reality and lose a bit of face. 

 

What comes to personal relations. Smart and interesting people are still the same, regardless where they are from. Those relationships will flourish even after brexit.

[whatsupdoc]

14 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

She is too soft ,and looks like she has given into everything

the EU puts forward,what we would need is a Maggie Thatcher

type person,trouble is we don't have one,what is on the cards

now is a bad deal,better to tell the EU,to F@#k off,give them

NO money and go it alone,they have their foot on the UK's 

neck,pushing hard,as they cannot make it easy ,as they are

afraid others would leave .

regards Worgeordie

The UK is completely free to leave the EU without a deal. Nobody in the EU is stopping the UK from doing that.

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

She is too soft ,and looks like she has given into everything

the EU puts forward,what we would need is a Maggie Thatcher

type person,trouble is we don't have one,what is on the cards

now is a bad deal,better to tell the EU,to F@#k off,give them

NO money and go it alone,they have their foot on the UK's 

neck,pushing hard,as they cannot make it easy ,as they are

afraid others would leave .

regards Worgeordie

I have just a picture for this.

 

Maggie, the tough leader. She new what was good for her country.

[Brunolem]

14 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

She is too soft ,and looks like she has given into everything

the EU puts forward,what we would need is a Maggie Thatcher

type person,trouble is we don't have one,what is on the cards

now is a bad deal,better to tell the EU,to F@#k off,give them

NO money and go it alone,they have their foot on the UK's 

neck,pushing hard,as they cannot make it easy ,as they are

afraid others would leave .

regards Worgeordie

The UK was doomed from the get go because, exactly like Greece some years ago, it let itself be bullied by the pack of hyenas in Brussels, even though it was holding the best cards in its hands.

 

Like Greece, the UK should have come with an offer, drop it on the drunkard Juncker's desk, and said "this is it, take it or deal with the consequences".

 

Instead, the UK was humiliated by an intellectual midget like Barnier, for Christ sake!

 

 

[LucysDad]

2 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

The UK was doomed from the get go because, exactly like Greece some years ago, it let itself be bullied by the pack of hyenas in Brussels, even though it was holding the best cards in its hands.

 

Like Greece, the UK should have come with an offer, drop it on the drunkard Juncker's desk, and said "this is it, take it or deal with the consequences".

 

Instead, the UK was humiliated by an intellectual midget like Barnier, for Christ sake!

 

 

 

 

That looks a fairly accurate summary of the last 2 years.

[whatsupdoc]

3 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

The UK was doomed from the get go because, exactly like Greece some years ago, it let itself be bullied by the pack of hyenas in Brussels, even though it was holding the best cards in its hands.

 

Like Greece, the UK should have come with an offer, drop it on the drunkard Juncker's desk, and said "this is it, take it or deal with the consequences".

 

Instead, the UK was humiliated by an intellectual midget like Barnier, for Christ sake!

 

 

Yeah, that would have been fun (for the EU that is...).

But once again: The UK is completely free to leave the EU without a deal. Nobody in the EU is stopping the UK from doing that.

[Timbob]

It's time for the May-bot and her fellow Tories to step aside. The UK needs a true leader and that man is Jeremy Corbyn!