Extreme Brexit could be worse than financial crisis for UK: BoE

[dick dasterdly]

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

I found this on another website.

 

Beware it has the "F" word quite a few times in it.

 

I found it a little boring to begin with but quite funny later.

 

 

Thanks for posting that link Bill, it gave me a good laugh first thing in the morning - which is usually quite difficult! ????

[SheungWan]

7 hours ago, sanemax said:

No, once you have voted , you cannot change your mind .

Well , you can change your mind , but you cannot change your vote .

Once you have voted , then thats your opinion caste .

You cannot go back a few days , weeks, years later and try to change your vote .

As soon as your vote is in the ballot box , thats it  , no going back

Naive and uninformed. Parliamentary democracy doesn't work that way. 

[SheungWan]

6 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Thanks for posting that link Bill, it gave me a good laugh first thing in the morning - which is usually quite difficult! ????

Clowns on the green. That's about what's left for the forum Brexiteers.

[SheungWan]

45 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Not voting is a pathetic, ineffective form of protest."

In the absence of PR, I've thought for decades that in GEs there should be an additional option 'None of the above'.

This would likely encourage more of the electorate to vote, and if enough people voted this way - it might force the govt. to take notice!

A Nothing Suggestion.

[Grouse]

11 hours ago, elliss said:

 

     Nuff  said ,

  Your taxable  profits , been  declared , in  your beloved UK,  on your investents , in this poor third world country .??

 

    Proud to be British ?  ,   You should make a good thai soap opera star,  our leading actor ,

 the Great White Hunter, our saviour .

     One who alone, who  civilised   Thailand ,  a  highly educated/ wealthy missionary ,  we are indeed blessed .. 555

      Let us not forget ,    you   pay tax , Na ka.  555

     

 

 

I pay income tax and corporation tax here.

[Loiner]

"Not voting is a pathetic, ineffective form of protest."
 
In the absence of PR, I've thought for decades that in GEs there should be an additional option 'None of the above'.
 
This would likely encourage more of the electorate to vote, and if enough people voted this way - it might force the govt. to take notice!

Don’t ‘not vote’. Be careful about how you spoil your ballot. The Returning Officers do have some leeway in interpreting the voters intentions. They use this to reduce their problem ballots. A very clear line through the page and ‘NONE’ is the way to go. A count of those is not often published but is recorded.


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[Loiner]

iam afraid the vast majority are still happy being in the EU,brexit and the mess will only of enhanced those numbers.

Err, we had a big referendum and the result was the exact opposite of your fears.
I’m happy that the current mess will have only enhanced the voters unhappiness with the EU.


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[Grouse]

12 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

 

 

  Very true. Glad to see you agree with this northerner.

 

 

Ill mannered and Ill informed 

[Grouse]

7 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

Selmayr is an employed crat, hence, not elected.

Same as all the crats in the UK government.

 

Good lecture!

[Loiner]

EU elections never interested me either no need to being in never did me any harm.

For someone so uninterested in EU elections, you spend an awful amount of Mbps on these threads spouting about Europe.


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[rixalex]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Brexiteers continuosly go on about democracy.

 

Democracy allows those who disagree with you to express their concerns and opinions.

 

Democracy allows people to change their minds.

 

Two things which, on the evidence of their posts, many TV Brexiteers seem to have forgotton.

Not forgotten at all. Of course people can express disagreement, and of course people can change their minds. Democracy though depends upon votes being enacted upon. If the public votes for something, with the solemn promise made very explicitly that the result will be final, as it was countless times, including in the video below by the Prime Minister:

 

 

well then you have to carry that through. If you don't, there ceases to be a point in voting. How much clearer could things have been stated? This is what remainers would like to forget.

 

Your only response to the issue of not enacting a vote outcome before having another vote has been along the lines of, "well yes, that may be the case, but enacting the vote will cause too much damage and so that makes it ok".

 

Well ok then, but let's be clear where we stand.... so what we need to be stated by Prime Minister May or whomever is leading the country, in the event of another referendum, is a solemn promise to respect and abide by whatever the outcome is.... but with the caveat that should 7by7 (or some other person who knows best) feel that the decision is not the right one, forget all that solemn promise nonsense, we'll just have another vote.

 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Thanks for posting that link Bill, it gave me a good laugh first thing in the morning - which is usually quite difficult! ????

My pleasure.

[Krataiboy]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He talks about a bright future but gives absolutely no indication as to why he believes the future is bright.

 

His company has gone from a star-up to what is now despite the UK’s membership of the EU. 

 

His company exports globally, despite the UK’s membership of the EU.

 

A more inquisitive interviewer might have pressed him on the question how he believes being outside the EU offers a ‘bright future’.

 

He never explained this.

 

 

Talk about turning a deaf ear. . . !

[welovesundaysatspace]

59 minutes ago, rixalex said:

 Of course people can express disagreement, and of course people can change their minds. Democracy though depends upon votes being enacted upon. If the public votes for something, with the solemn promise made very explicitly that the result will be final

Democracy depends upon laws and rules being followed. Democracy doesn’t work if laws and rules can be ignored and overturned by some abusing their power. If those laws and rules say that I can vote for MPs to represent me and the country, then such vote only works if it’s being followed, rather than a prime minister trying to overturn parliamentary representative democracy and thus my right to vote for someone to represent me. 

 

Democracy also depends upon fair votes. When votes are being manipulated, the purpose of it is being defeated, and the vote is worth nothing and should not be enacted upon. When millions of voters have been lied to, how do you want to know whether the vote they casted is actually what they wanted? The result says nothing, or only that people voted for the many lies being told. As those lies, however, cannot be implemented, the peoples’ votes are not being acted upon as you demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 7, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Democracy depends upon laws and rules being followed. Democracy doesn’t work if laws and rules can be ignored and overturned by some abusing their power. If those laws and rules say that I can vote for MPs to represent me and the country, then such vote only works if it’s being followed, rather than a prime minister trying to overturn parliamentary representative democracy and thus my right to vote for someone to represent me. 

 

Democracy also depends upon fair votes. When votes are being manipulated, the purpose of it is being defeated, and the vote is worth nothing and should not be enacted upon. When millions of voters have been lied to, how do you want to know whether the vote they casted is actually what they wanted? The result says nothing, or only that people voted for the many lies being told. As those lies, however, cannot be implemented, the peoples’ votes are not being acted upon as you demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some remainers are stuck in a time warp.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Some remainers are stuck in a time warp.

Poor reply. 

[rixalex]

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Democracy depends upon laws and rules being followed. Democracy doesn’t work if laws and rules can be ignored and overturned by some abusing their power. If those laws and rules say that I can vote for MPs to represent me and the country, then such vote only works if it’s being followed, rather than a prime minister trying to overturn parliamentary representative democracy and thus my right to vote for someone to represent me. 

 

Democracy also depends upon fair votes. When votes are being manipulated, the purpose of it is being defeated, and the vote is worth nothing and should not be enacted upon. When millions of voters have been lied to, how do you want to know whether the vote they casted is actually what they wanted? The result says nothing, or only that people voted for the many lies being told. As those lies, however, cannot be implemented, the peoples’ votes are not being acted upon as you demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To surmise the nonsense above, in the first paragraph the assertion being made is that the referendums are actually somehow not democratic because they amount to parliamentary democracy being overturned, which of course totally overlooks the fact that it was parliamentary democracy that voted in the first place, in favour of turning the decision over to the people. And of course this is not the nonsense you will be hearing should remainers get another referendum and should they win. Then it will suddenly be, "the will of the people has spoken" and not a word will be said about "parliamentary democracy being overturned".

 

The assertion of the second paragraph amounts to a get-out clause for any vote you don't like. Just say the vote was manipulated, void it, and call another vote. If that vote goes your way, declare it a clean vote with no manipulation and enact it. If it doesn't go your way, not to worry, rinse and repeat the process. The public will get there in the end.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

A Nothing Suggestion.

From the master himself.

[Loiner]

....a prime minister trying to overturn parliamentary representative democracy....
 
Democracy also depends upon fair votes. When votes are being manipulated,...
When millions of voters have been lied to,...

Is it still democratic for a prime minister and the parliamentary representatives to try and overturn the result of a democratic referendum? That all sounds very EU like to me.

Which votes were being manipulated? Weren’t they all cast and counted according to the rules, or maybe just the result ignored and told to vote again? That’s very EU style.

Millions of voters been lied to? Sure, those promises of Armageddon, plague & pestilence all proved to be lies. Yep, EU again.






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[Kwasaki]

13 hours ago, nontabury said:

bomber is not alone in talking his country down,it seems to be an affliction that effects many remainer.

Yeah I don't know the future for UK like remainers do, I don't understand them wanting UK to be part of a type of United States, my view has always been it's never gonna work.

From the start I just have looked at the countries in the mafia club, as I have said before look at the state of Greece, Italy's got the hump, Spain, Portugal, and look at the state of France, Hungry and Poland are against grain of EU, the only lot to have benefited is Germany, Austria.

 

I think it was Maggie who said she wanted a deal like Switzerland and " not the UK, being one of the EU's largest economies paying more than most members.

Only Germany and France consistently contribute more funding, while Italy pays about the same amount."

[talahtnut]

Democracy is an illusion, whichever way you vote, nothing

changes.

We can understand this, by examining the original psychological

ideals responsible for the foundation of the EU.

An interesting read from that period would be 'Practical Idealism',

by Kalergi.  Scary stuff!

[SheungWan]

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Is it still democratic for a prime minister and the parliamentary representatives to try and overturn the result of a democratic referendum? That all sounds very EU like to me.
Which votes were being manipulated? Weren’t they all cast and counted according to the rules, or maybe just the result ignored and told to vote again? That’s very EU style.
Millions of voters been lied to? Sure, those promises of Armageddon, plague & pestilence all proved to be lies. Yep, EU again.

Another one who doesn't understand and/or accept Parliamentary Democracy. So, typical Brexiteer then.

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, talahtnut said:

Democracy is an illusion, whichever way you vote, nothing

changes.

We can understand this, by examining the original psychological

ideals responsible for the foundation of the EU.

An interesting read from that period would be 'Practical Idealism',

by Kalergi.  Scary stuff!

Psycho-babble.

[SheungWan]

14 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Yeah I don't know the future for UK like remainers do, I don't understand them wanting UK to be part of a type of United States, my view has always been it's never gonna work.

From the start I just have looked at the countries in the mafia club, as I have said before look at the state of Greece, Italy's got the hump, Spain, Portugal, and look at the state of France, Hungry and Poland are against grain of EU, the only lot to have benefited is Germany, Austria.

I think it was Maggie who said she wanted a deal like Switzerland and " not the UK, being one of the EU's largest economies paying more than most members.

Only Germany and France consistently contribute more funding, while Italy pays about the same amount."

That's all the Brexiteers seem to have got left now: muttering on and on to themselves about nothing much really. Shutting down in advance of March 30.

Edited March 7, 2019 by SheungWan

[talahtnut]

4 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Psycho-babble.

Predictable 'no idea' Automatic 'Hive Mentality' comment..

 

[SheungWan]

53 minutes ago, vogie said:

Some remainers are stuck in a time warp.

The threat of Brexit in Outer Space.

 

[malagateddy]

But thr TRUTH

Poor reply. 

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[billd766]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Some remainers are stuck in a time warp.

  

Lets do the time warp again.

 

 

[Kwasaki]

48 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

That's all the Brexiteers seem to have got left now: muttering on and on to themselves about nothing much really. Shutting down in advance of March 30.

Yeah well many want UK to rule itself instead of being in constant arguments concerning other countries.

[bomber]

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

Ill mannered and Ill informed 

 

3 hours ago, Grouse said:

Ill mannered and Ill informed 

sounds like an ex miner probably a scargil fan in his youth