nauseus Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 17 hours ago, evadgib said: I guess here is as good a place as any to post this: Thanks for posting this. I have a copy of the full Withdrawal Agreement (treaty) but it's really tough going - typical of all EU treaties! This summary shows why this so-called deal is so poor and not even a deal in any case. How many more years would a deal take to be reached? Who knows? The Irish issue is so important but the VDO highlights the other main problems. I can only hope that some of the leave MPs who seem to have changed their minds may have had legal advice identifying a loophole or two that would enable us to slip out of this flytrap. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted March 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 hours ago, vogie said: I'm not too sure about Nick Boles being reasonable, it would appear his facination for Jess Philips is marring (pun intended) his ability to respect the wishes of his constituents. Did you see his tweet where he said "he finds her irresistable and would walk over hot coals for her," most of the papers are calling him "creepy" for that tweet, at the very least he shudda gone to specsavers. And with his clandestine meetings with her and some other members of the Labour Party, maybe his loyalties have veered into loveland, his party deserves better from him. Strange choice of words about a woman, from a gay MP. Maybe he likes hot coals? Kinky. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 When all else fails there is always the cheque book. The prime minister is expected to offer fresh guarantees on the Irish backstop, as well as the prospect of more funding for Northern Ireland, as she battles to secure the DUP's crucial backing for her exit plan. Dozens of Tory Eurosceptics are likely to fall into line if the DUP's ten MPs agree to vote for the deal, allowing Ms May to hold a third "meaningful vote" on the plan this week. If she cannot win the DUP's support, however, then plans for a Commons vote on Tuesday are likely to be scrapped. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-updates-theresa-may-deal-vote-commons-dup-a8827751.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted March 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, 7by7 said: But the fact remains that many Brexiteers are quick to brand Remain MPs representing Leave constituencies as hypocrites for not resigning, but for Brexit MPs to continue to represent Remain constituencies. The first half of this is correct but I've seen nothing to support the latter. Edited March 18, 2019 by evadgib 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aright Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 44 minutes ago, evadgib said: The first half of this is correct but I've seen nothing to support the latter. One other thought. Isn't the obligation of an MP at the vote for the triggering of article 50 to support the view of his constituents but once that has been resolved isn't it then their obligation to support in its entirety the process for leaving having due regard to their preferred leave deal but without regard to any other issue like another referendum or a leave in name only? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Bercow has just delivered a very strong statement He will NOT allow an unchanged debate in May's deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 He has ruled out a vote on the "same motion" Deal......... or no deal......... it is coming down to the wire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) Bercow: Analysis: Edited March 18, 2019 by evadgib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, evadgib said: Bercow: Analysis: It looks to be a large single hex Britool "spanner". I have never seen such a carry-on in parliament! Erskine May! Seventeenth century precedent! JRM wriggling with joy! Fabulous. Loathsome is being a bitch and slapped down accordingly! Bercow continues to be magnificent! Well that's it! I feel privileged to watch the Magus perform live! Edited March 18, 2019 by Grouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 prorogue Parliament is an option - ie pack up and start again in another session 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 hours ago, evadgib said: The first half of this is correct but I've seen nothing to support the latter. I, too, have yet to see any Brexiteer call for the resignation of a Leave supporting MP who represents a Remain constituency; let alone accuse one of hypocrisy. Will you now do so? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarlS Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, 7by7 said: I, too, have yet to see any Brexiteer call for the resignation of a Leave supporting MP who represents a Remain constituency; let alone accuse one of hypocrisy. Will you now do so? My only observation is that the Brexit "debate" has proven to be hugely divisive and has now deteriorated to what resembles a schoolyard squabble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wilcopops Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 Brexit has ridden rough-shod over the UK constitutional set up.... it has depleted the UK economy and made the UK the laughing stock of the world. Search this and every other thread and you'll find no concrete reason for it.... please don't cite sovereignty that's just an archaic concept from the Boy's Own Book of B/S. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 7 hours ago, KarlS said: My only observation is that the Brexit "debate" has proven to be hugely divisive and has now deteriorated to what resembles a schoolyard squabble. We need a general election....The UK parliament rules not referendums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thairealist Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, wilcopops said: Brexit has ridden rough-shod over the UK constitutional set up.... it has depleted the UK economy and made the UK the laughing stock of the world. Search this and every other thread and you'll find no concrete reason for it.... please don't cite sovereignty that's just an archaic concept from the Boy's Own Book of B/S. So your not a big believer in Democracy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thairealist said: So your not a big believer in Democracy. What tosh. You may care to read up on our constitution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, Grouse said: What tosh. You may care to read up on our constitution. The U.K. doesnt have a constitution 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, Thairealist said: So your not a big believer in Democracy. Who in the UK loses their freedom of movement on less than a 2 percent majority? Fortunately it is only the population and not individuals, the benefit of a justice system rather than perverse interpretation of democracy. The dictionary refers to "the wishes of most of the people" but for some reason the UK seems to think that "most" means potentially an inconclusive number. The referendum was fundamentally flawed from day one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 8 hours ago, vinny41 said: prorogue Parliament is an option - ie pack up and start again in another session Exactly, pack up the whole brexit fiasco and start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, sandyf said: Exactly, pack up the whole brexit fiasco and start again. They didnt mean to start the whole Brexit thing again, they meant to close this years Parliament session and open a new parliament sessions , to get around one vote per topic per year rule 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Grouse said: It looks to be a large single hex Britool "spanner". I have never seen such a carry-on in parliament! Erskine May! Seventeenth century precedent! JRM wriggling with joy! Fabulous. Loathsome is being a bitch and slapped down accordingly! Bercow continues to be magnificent! Well that's it! I feel privileged to watch the Magus perform live! B-Liar will be on GMB this morning UK time being grilled by Piers Morgan* (*was a remainer but is alright now! ???? ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, 7by7 said: I, too, have yet to see any Brexiteer call for the resignation of a Leave supporting MP who represents a Remain constituency; let alone accuse one of hypocrisy. Will you now do so? The most recent example FYI: Edited March 19, 2019 by evadgib 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henryford Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 For once the poisoned dwarf was right. Treason May was just trying the old EUSSR trick of making people vote again and again till she got the right answer. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, sanemax said: The U.K. doesnt have a constitution You seem to know very little! We don't have a written constitution. Our constitution has developed by precedent over centuries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 38 minutes ago, evadgib said: B-Liar will be on GMB this morning UK time being grilled by Piers Morgan* (*was a remainer but is alright now! ???? ) Piers Morgan is a complete Arse. I shall give that one a miss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Grouse said: Piers Morgan is a complete Arse. I shall give that one a miss. Yeah right; When it comes to self discipline you have the breaking strain of a Kit Kat ???? Edited March 19, 2019 by evadgib 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 Whilst I've little doubt that Piers Morgan is far from a 'nice' person - blair is even less so.... With a bit of luck he'll tear blair apart. Not that it will make any difference, as blair still thinks he's popular amongst the electorate ????. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) On 3/17/2019 at 7:43 PM, owl sees all said: This debate is just like the people trying to get onto the Titanic. Remoaners are saying that the ship is destined for great things. Brexiteers are saying "don't get on, there are not enough lifeboats." And, as we now know the Titanic didn't do so well. Just like the ship; the EU is doomed. Our country saved by astute voters; as will be evident at the EU elections. A load of old ship. Edited March 19, 2019 by SheungWan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henryford Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 5 hours ago, sandyf said: Who in the UK loses their freedom of movement on less than a 2 percent majority? Fortunately it is only the population and not individuals, the benefit of a justice system rather than perverse interpretation of democracy. The dictionary refers to "the wishes of most of the people" but for some reason the UK seems to think that "most" means potentially an inconclusive number. The referendum was fundamentally flawed from day one. You are free to go and live in the EUSSR any time you want. Good riddance. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Grouse said: Bercow has just delivered a very strong statement He will NOT allow an unchanged debate in May's deal so much for a sovereign parliament, trapped in its own crap originating from Stonehenge and the weirdos on the foggy islands are proud of their traditions Edited March 19, 2019 by melvinmelvin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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