Extreme Brexit could be worse than financial crisis for UK: BoE

[evadgib]

and here he is again on newsnight:

 

[billd766]

Waffling barsteward.

 

I managed 3 minutes of that.

[billd766]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

and here he is again on newsnight:

 

No more for me thank you. 3 minutes of the other one was enough.

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

No more for me thank you. 3 minutes of the other one was enough.

I only posted it so that Grouse could snap another Kit Kat ????

[billd766]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

I only posted it so that Grouse could snap another Kit Kat ????

Isn't that cruelty to dumb animals or birds, something like that.

[keithsimmonds]

15 minutes ago, evadgib said:

and here he is again on newsnight:

 

Once a slippery **** always a slippery****. 

[7by7]

3 hours ago, Ahab said:

<snip>

If being in the EU was such a good thing why did more people vote to leave than voted to stay.

 

I am sure that some leavers voted that way because they genuinely believed the UK would be better off out of the EU than in; but they are in the minority. By their own admission, Vote.Leave didn't target them, they targeted the undecided with three main areas of attack.

 

1) To stop immigration, to stop East Europeans coming and taking British jobs.

 

Except they weren't!

 

These countries joined The EU in 2004, Bulgaria and Romania in 2007. "Between 2000 and 2007 the (UK unemployment) rate was relatively stable before rising from 5.3 percent in 2007 to 8.1 percent by 2011. This increase was almost certainly due to the onset of the Great Recession in 2008, which saw the United Kingdom's GDP contract by 4.2 percent in 2009. The UK's unemployment rate declined after 2011, but only reached it's pre-2008 levels in 2015 before declining further in more recent years, reaching a low for this period of 4.1 percent in 2018." (Source)

 

Though some seemed confused as to which immigrants leaving the EU would stop! Remember videos like that of the man saying he had no problem with Poles or Romanians coming here; he voted Leave to stop immigrants from Muslim countries! 

 

2) To regain our sovereignty.

 

Whenever a country signs an international treaty of any kind it obviously cedes some sovereignty in matters covered by that treaty. That has been the case ever since countries started to arrange treaties, trade deals etc. between them.

 

Although a sovereign state could ignore the terms of that treaty or deal if it wished. For example, all EU law has to be approved by Parliament before it becomes law in the UK. Of course, if Parliament withheld it's approval there would be some explaining to do. But that will be the same if we break the terms of any treaties or trade deals we sign post Brexit; no matter who they may be with.   

 

Many are still confused as to how little sovereignty we have actually ceded to the EU. Very little is the answer and that only on matters effecting the EU as a whole. In all other areas we retain complete sovereignty.

 

Who passes Acts concerning the control of crime? The UK Parliament.

 

For example laws concerning knife ownership are up to individual member states. There is an EU directive concerning minimum standards required for gun ownership, but member states are free to set more stringent ones if they wish; as we have done.

 

The minimum age to purchase alcohol or tobacco, the minimum age to marry etc. isn't governed by the EU and is not the same in all member states.

 

Who sets our tax rates and public spending? The UK Parliament.

 

Who sets our foreign policy; including if we go to war? The UK Parliament.

 

Etc., etc..

 

The list of what we have sovereignty over is a lot longer than the list of areas where we ceded sovereignty to the EU.

 

3) Because they believed the various Leave campaigns, official and otherwise, when they said that we could leave but still enjoy all the benefits of membership without any of the responsibilities. 

 

That and their dirty tricks. Having realised in a previous campaign against  changing the UK's first past the post electoral system that the ASA had no control over political adverts, they went to it with a will; the infamous Boris bus being one example. Also skillful video editing played a large part; "The most popular videos (on Vote.Leave's Facebook page) are carefully selected TV clips. For example, Mr Cameron was generally judged to have dealt well with 30 minutes of questions from an ITV audience on June 7. But Vote Leave posted an excerpt of an audience member complaining about his record on immigration. The 36-second video — which did not include the prime minister’s response — was billed as the “highlight of tonight’s ITV debate”. It has been viewed 1.4m times on Facebook. That is substantial when compared with 4m people who watched the programme live." (Source)

 

 

[7by7]

31 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I only posted it so that Grouse could snap another Kit Kat ????

 

Really?

 

Considering how you avidly watch his every appearance and then post it here, I thought you must be a big fan of his!

[beautifulthailand99]

The epic March to Leave trundles on - I reckon on this leg a 100 tops and of course without the Blessed Nigel. If the much vaunted 'big trouble ahead' had any legs then surely they should have thousands by now. 

 

UPDATE 53..

 

Stu M‏ @JudgeNutmeg1 8h8 hours ago

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Don’t worry. We’ll cope! They came... they had a cut price jar at Wetherspoons... and they nicked off. All fifty three of them. Barely enough for a round.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[evadgib]

14 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The epic March to Leave trundles on - I reckon on this leg a 100 tops and of course without the Blessed Nigel. If the much vaunted 'big trouble ahead' had any legs then surely they should have thousands by now. 

 

 

The Olympic & Commonwealth torches spend much of their journey(s) in the hands of similarly small numbers en-route to their destination...

 

Edited March 20, 2019 by evadgib

[nauseus]

14 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Nigel is quite sound on this point....

 

We can see why now, eh?

[nauseus]

14 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

 

You started the war you own the result .......

The result was fine. The rest was crap.

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The Olympic & Commonwealth torches spend much of their journey(s) in the hands of similarly small numbers en-route to their destination...

 

Olympic torch in Ripon for 2012 Olympics...

 

[evadgib]

12 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Olympic torch in Ripon for 2012 Olympics...

 

Hardly a fair comparison in the middle of town & in Summer. The die-hards will be tackling more hardy terrain...

Edited March 20, 2019 by evadgib

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

in July.

I shall Brexit March only if the weather is good.....what snowflakes these stout Yeoman of England have become.....????

 

https://newsthump.com/2019/03/19/nigel-farages-brexit-betrayal-march-hires-200-polish-walkers-after-finding-brits-are-not-willing-to-do-the-job/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

What, exactly, did people vote for in the referendum?

 

Most Leavers voted for one of, or a combination of, three things.

 

To stop immigration, though some seemed confused as to which immigrants leaving the EU would stop! Remember the video of the man saying he had no problem with Poles or Romanians coming here; he voted Leave to stop immigrants from Muslim countries! 

 

To regain our sovereignty. Though many still seem confused as to how little sovereignty we have actually ceded to the EU. Very little is the answer and that only on matters effecting the EU as a whole.

 

Who sets our tax rates? The UK Parliament.

 

Who sets our public spending? The UK Parliament.

 

Who sets our foreign policy? The UK Parliament.

 

Who decides if we go to war? The UK Parliament.

 

Etc., etc..

 

The list of what we have sovereignty over is a lot longer than the list of areas where we ceded sovereignty to the EU.

 

Others voted to leave the EU because they believed the various Leave campaigns, official and otherwise, when they said that we could leave but still enjoy all the benefits of membership without any of the responsibilities.

 

The deal on the table is not that; but it's the closest we are going to get.

 

I cannot believe that anyone with the slightest idea of the consequences actually voted to leave with no deal. Vote to abandon all agreements with our major trading partner; without any deals with anyone else to replace them? Only a fool would do that. It's akin to cutting one's nose of to spite one's face.

 

It is obvious that, mainly due to Labour's intent on playing party politics that Parliament is extremely unlikely to decide on this; even if the EU does agree to an extension of Article 50, which I doubt.

 

The politicians cant decide, so give it back to the people so we can make the decision. That would be true democracy. Our representatives can't come to a decision, so we'll do it!

 

Of course, given that very few, if any, Leavers would put Remain as their second choice, the result would probably result in us leaving; either with May's deal or no deal. Unless you believe that Remain would now get a large enough majority to win on the first round!

The list of what we have sovereignty over (etc etc) has been shrinking for years, and will continue to shrink if we stay in. Some taxes have been affected for years (eg VAT rates). The EU already plan common tax, defence and foreign policies.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

More originality. Your superior intellect is amazing. I wish the mods would ban this picture or at least start giving the fella royalties.

Yes, Timmy could do with a cash supplement but he's quite enjoying the fame!

[damascase]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The list of what we have sovereignty over (etc etc) has been shrinking for years, and will continue to shrink if we stay in. Some taxes have been affected for years (eg VAT rates). The EU already plan common tax, defence and foreign policies.

 

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The list of what we have sovereignty over (etc etc) has been shrinking for years, and will continue to shrink if we stay in. Some taxes have been affected for years (eg VAT rates). The EU already plan common tax, defence and foreign policies.

VAT rates are NOT set by the EU, only the VAT system/methodology......... Therefore one can see big differences in the rates between Member States.

Edited March 20, 2019 by damascase

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

My son's mother in law told her husband, daughter,son and my son to vote leave because that was what she wanted at the time, changed her mind when my son's employer started to make plans to relocate to Dublin.

Do you really believe that everyone understood the situation rather than discontent from austerity.

Well if you believe you mother-in-law that does say a lot.

[vogie]

6 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

More originality. Your superior intellect is amazing. I wish the mods would ban this picture or at least start giving the fella royalties.

Mods have told him twice now not to use it, but that is water off a ducks back to him, it has done more shows than Status Quo. 

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

Taz seems like a decent bloke and he flew back from Thailand to take part in the March - respect to him ...I did offer 20 quid for any of the faithful here to crowdfund a trip home but was met with a deafening silence. Seems like he has the courage of his convictions and the sacrifice needed for a true Brexiteer rather than carping from behind the keyboard. 

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Mods have told him twice now not to use it, but that is water off a ducks back to him, it has done more shows than Status Quo. 

 

 

But if a picture paints a thousand words then that is worth a million votes....

[evadgib]

9 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I shall Brexit March only if the weather is good.....what snowflakes these stout Yeoman of England have become.....????

There'll be a few 'Fan Dancers' among 'em but who cares as long as the route is covered and the crowd exceeds the Royal Weddings at the end?

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

But if a picture paints a thousand words then that is worth a million votes....

I thought you might like it.

[beautifulthailand99]

5 minutes ago, evadgib said:

There'll be a few 'Fan Dancers' among 'em but who cares as long as the route is covered and the crowd exceeds the Royal Weddings at the end?

we shall see.....I reckon 20k tops at the end - if the weather is good. Bad weather then 5-10k. Which is hardly a successful call to arms of the British people to support Leave means Leave. 

Edited March 20, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

 

Blair demonstrates great statesmanship in front of that arse Piers Morgan and his two bimbos. Listen to the subtleties and the good sense and compare with some of the dumbo bimbo comments.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

and here he is again on newsnight:

 

And again, he makes great points. Would be a terrific PM!

[Krataiboy]

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Endless competition for the most stupid Brexiteer contribution of the week.

. . . and clearly none among Remainers with you around. 

[evadgib]

17 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Taz seems like a decent bloke and he flew back from Thailand to take part in the March - respect to him ...I did offer 20 quid for any of the faithful here to crowdfund a trip home but was met with a deafening silence. Seems like he has the courage of his convictions and the sacrifice needed for a true Brexiteer rather than carping from behind the keyboard. 

There was also an option to contribute towards the event enabling those (that you think) you have just slagged off to support the march via those very same keyboards! 

Edited March 20, 2019 by evadgib

[Krataiboy]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

What, exactly, did people vote for in the referendum?

 

Most Leavers voted for one of, or a combination of, three things.

 

To stop immigration, though some seemed confused as to which immigrants leaving the EU would stop! Remember the video of the man saying he had no problem with Poles or Romanians coming here; he voted Leave to stop immigrants from Muslim countries! 

 

To regain our sovereignty. Though many still seem confused as to how little sovereignty we have actually ceded to the EU. Very little is the answer and that only on matters effecting the EU as a whole.

 

Who sets our tax rates? The UK Parliament.

 

Who sets our public spending? The UK Parliament.

 

Who sets our foreign policy? The UK Parliament.

 

Who decides if we go to war? The UK Parliament.

 

Etc., etc..

 

The list of what we have sovereignty over is a lot longer than the list of areas where we ceded sovereignty to the EU.

 

Others voted to leave the EU because they believed the various Leave campaigns, official and otherwise, when they said that we could leave but still enjoy all the benefits of membership without any of the responsibilities.

 

The deal on the table is not that; but it's the closest we are going to get.

 

I cannot believe that anyone with the slightest idea of the consequences actually voted to leave with no deal. Vote to abandon all agreements with our major trading partner; without any deals with anyone else to replace them? Only a fool would do that. It's akin to cutting one's nose of to spite one's face.

 

It is obvious that, mainly due to Labour's intent on playing party politics that Parliament is extremely unlikely to decide on this; even if the EU does agree to an extension of Article 50, which I doubt.

 

The politicians cant decide, so give it back to the people so we can make the decision. That would be true democracy. Our representatives can't come to a decision, so we'll do it!

 

Of course, given that very few, if any, Leavers would put Remain as their second choice, the result would probably result in us leaving; either with May's deal or no deal. Unless you believe that Remain would now get a large enough majority to win on the first round!

Don't keep picking it - it'll never heal.