Prayut comes under blistering attack as political bans are lifted

[bannork]

3 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

Im wondering if they have a question time with all the party leaders facing each other? 

They do but neither Thaksin nor Yingluck ever dared debate Abhisit on a one to one basis. One of the Pheua Thai executives said it was alien to Thai culture for leaders to debate with each other lol.

However, I think Sudarat would certainly join a question time format.

[grumpy 4680]

    Also, a government that has had to spend billions on toys for the boys, subs, planes, tanks and boats, to keep them happy, and on his side. regardless of the financial consequences.

[rkidlad]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Prayut comes under blistering attack as political bans are lifted

Indeed he is. Luckily there a few members on here who've seemingly come from nowhere and are rigorously defending and promoting him. Reminds of what happened on the BKK Post forums. 

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Cadbury said:

Pretty much an accurate statement. Sure there have been a few underpasses and overpasses and tunnels built but that's about it apart from plenty of dreams which haven't been converted into reality. The people of Thailand have had to suffer an overkill of unintelligible earbashing by incompetent politicians while they themselves have been to told to shut up and be quiet .   

Lack of achievement and developmental fantasies have been the most notable features of this government's term of office. 

The last 4+ years could be summarised as a masterpiece of failure for 99% of the people while for the other remaining 1% filthy rich, which includes themselves, it has been a huge success.

Chaturon Chaisang made a lot of good points but the one I found to most accurate was:

“The country is ruled by a leader who lacks maturity and cannot be scrutinised".

Out here in rural Khampaeng Phet roads are being resurfaced and widened in many places, there are lots more warnings around the proximity of schools telling drivers to slow down, in the clutch of moo bans where I live a government sponsored bore hole was drilled last year and a new water tower has been built.

 

It isn't a lot I know in the great plan of things but is an improvement on what we had before.

[thesetat2013]

7 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Maybe we should replace it with the US constitution. And what a wonderful place it is to live there.

Mass shootings every week, a crook money launderer in power, a crashing stock exchange, alienating your allies.

Thailand deserves better, not your business cronies - the actual people who create long term constant wealth - the poor Thai farmer.

This is the largest population demographic. These are the Constant Productive people.

And they are always screwed no m,atter who is in power. 

Wow! Talk about prejudice.. Bring your own views of American politics and crime and use your biased opinion to compare it with Thailand.  Your comments should be placed in the Trump bashers since most of what you used as comparisons were not factual or proven. 

Thailand has their own views of their leaders. Once they can speak freely without fear of military actions they will speak out what they want and what problems need to be addressed. This is proven every decade. 

For NOW, any mention of real elections is just BS. how many years now have we heard this? Always, always they make ridiculous excuses as to why elections need to be delayed again and again. Do you really think it won't happen again? I think the only way an election will actually happen is if Prayut is certain of a victory that keeps him in power. Or pushing the buttons of whoever is in power. 

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Lots more check and balance and the whole lots more transparency too. Those robbers can be kicked out by the people no doubt. 

 

Unless they refuse to go, dispute any election results they don't like, change or ignore laws to suit themselves. etc etc.

 

The decline in real democracy, with associated law, order and meaningful checks and balances on governments and parliaments is seemingly a world wide phenomenon of the IT digital age. When in fact, the opposite should be true!

[Eric Loh]

33 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Unless they refuse to go, dispute any election results they don't like, change or ignore laws to suit themselves. etc etc.

 

The decline in real democracy, with associated law, order and meaningful checks and balances on governments and parliaments is seemingly a world wide phenomenon of the IT digital age. When in fact, the opposite should be true!

Will ignore your first para; don’t think you are serious in your assertion. 

 

Democracy and associated law and order as well as meaningful checks and balances are only good when you have a constitution that will institutionalized  mechanisms of power control for the protection of the interests and liberties of the citizenry.

 

Any decline is likely to be linked to a poorly written constitution rather than blaming on IT which actually baffle me. Take this recent constitution as example which will entrench further military domination for a long time and will be a cause of fast erosion of democracy. Thus it has to be changed if the people want to stop the decline in real democracy. 

[tingtong]

since WW2, just about every handful of years came a new coup.

will this ever change here?

very unlikely.

 

[MaxLee]

No matter who comes into power here, those goons will just govern for their own self interest.

[soalbundy]

9 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Maybe we should replace it with the US constitution. And what a wonderful place it is to live there.

Mass shootings every week, a crook money launderer in power, a crashing stock exchange, alienating your allies.

Thailand deserves better, not your business cronies - the actual people who create long term constant wealth - the poor Thai farmer.

This is the largest population demographic. These are the Constant Productive people.

And they are always screwed no m,atter who is in power. 

The last sentence is valid for all countries not just Thailand, the West is a little more subtle but the results are the same, like Thailand the elite rules where it counts.

[spidermike007]

There are a hundred different areas that could be improved, and the junta missed the mark on all of them. Total and absolute incompetence, in virtually every ministry of the government. Hope the whole lot of them are swept aside in the elections. They do not deserve one ounce of support.

[Eric Loh]

18 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

The last sentence is valid for all countries not just Thailand, the West is a little more subtle but the results are the same, like Thailand the elite rules where it counts.

True and not likely to change much in foreseeable future for Thailand if inequality is not addressed meaningfully. Also elites and the military domination should not be at the expense of atrocities and grave human right abuses which unfortunately were and will be the scars of Thailand.  

[dcnx]

10 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Maybe we should replace it with the US constitution. And what a wonderful place it is to live there.

Mass shootings every week, a crook money launderer in power, a crashing stock exchange, alienating your allies.

Thailand deserves better, not your business cronies - the actual people who create long term constant wealth - the poor Thai farmer.

This is the largest population demographic. These are the Constant Productive people.

And they are always screwed no m,atter who is in power. 

No, Thailand doesn’t “deserve better.” 

 

You get the government you deserve.

 

The USA deserves Trump.

 

While society mindlessly numbs themselves with distractions, tyrants make power moves. Nothing new.

[Prissana Pescud]

1 minute ago, dcnx said:

No, Thailand doesn’t “deserve better.” 

 

You get the government you deserve.

 

The USA deserves Trump.

 

While society mindlessly numbs themselves with distractions, tyrants make power moves. Nothing new.

US was free to vote Mr Trump in. 

[pornprong]

11 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

The world is in turmoil... Wars, famine, terrorist attacks on innocent people,  food and water shortages, disease and weather related destruction are common place. 

 

I find Thailand... With all its many glaring faults... A relatively safe, inexpensive, lovely place to live... 

 

I have tasted life in Europe, North  and South America, the Middle East and Asia. 

 

Asia... Thailand in particular... Is still a great place to live. 

 

Do not involve yourself with the politics or religion in a foreign country... Bad for your health and well-being.

Rather selfish outlook there mate.

Who cares what miseries befall the people of the country you have been let call home, the only thing that matters is your personal happiness.

Champion human being right here folks.

[pornprong]

11 hours ago, leeneeds said:

Baht is still strong, GDP is still moving 3.3 and upwards, 

infrastructure is being built, corruption has been reigned in a little and so very hard to do with generations of support, 

Swapping one brother sister act for the betterment of the country, has been a better result than if those two who  were still raping the assets of the country where ever they could, 

Khun Prayut has done a good job in my opinion, no one else  around that i have seen that has wanted to change the image and entrenched history of doing business here, 

and yes i get it is a junta who took power , stopped the killing and made parties go back to their corners, 

Being the  strategist the general is i doubt very much anything will change come February,

having started the dismantling processes so ingrained, only short sighted people think he is not here for the long term, 

.....corruption has been reigned in

 

 

.....being the strategist general

 

 

.....khun Prayuth has done a good job

 

:cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy::cheesy:

 

Edited December 14, 2018 by pornprong

[kannot]

14 hours ago, webfact said:

falling under the burden of debt

through  their  own  stupidity...............he  forgot to  add that

[kannot]

9 hours ago, hansnl said:

The opposition?

You mean the Thaksin led groups that want to use "democracy" for their own means and solely for the benefit of those groups?

Their aims are a complete clamp on the country to milk it empty, a change of constitution like they tried before, and ultimately a sole dictatorship.

That opposition?

 

easier  to  say  they are ALL total  crap

[pornprong]

9 hours ago, hansnl said:

The opposition?

The choice of the people.

 

9 hours ago, hansnl said:

You mean the Thaksin led groups that want to use "democracy" for their own means and solely for the benefit of those groups?

Universal Health Care lined Thaksin's pockets how exactly?

 

9 hours ago, hansnl said:

Their aims are a complete clamp on the country to milk it empty, a change of constitution like they tried before, and ultimately a sole dictatorship.

Change the constitution to make it more democratic by returning the Senate to a fully elected body after the 2006 reduced it to a half elected half appointed one (i.e. made it less democratic).

 

Funny how you condemn Thaksin for what he never did but you believe he may want to do yet you make no mention of the fact that the military has twice in the last 11 years actually really changed the constitution to make it less democratic and actually really turned the country into a sole d************.

 

laughable inanity.

 

9 hours ago, hansnl said:

That opposition?

Indeed.

[comeondoit]

sorry but the previous governement was much worse than what we see now. They were spending money, taxpayers money and did not bother to rise money. The political memory is so short living, all already forgotten?. The problem is that the Thai people are not knowing what is democracy and need therefore a strong hand. So strong hand or not there are always fails and errors when doing things...the balance is what counts, more good than bad?? Judge by yourself but based on facts not on statistics.

Obviously one lack of the actual governement is its unability to accept and try to learn from contradicition. However that is a lack of the Thai society in general and I fear that no one coming after will be better in that

[madmen]

sorry but the previous governement was much worse than what we see now. They were spending money, taxpayers money and did not bother to rise money. The political memory is so short living, all already forgotten?. The problem is that the Thai people are not knowing what is democracy and need therefore a strong hand. So strong hand or not there are always fails and errors when doing things...the balance is what counts, more good than bad?? Judge by yourself but based on facts not on statistics.
Obviously one lack of the actual governement is its unability to accept and try to learn from contradicition. However that is a lack of the Thai society in general and I fear that no one coming after will be better in that

You nailed it. [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122]

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, kannot said:

easier  to  say  they are ALL total  crap

Yet, many are slow to comprehend such truth. 

 

A decent cleansing is highly recommended.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, comeondoit said:

They were spending money, taxpayers money and did not bother to rise money.

Maybe you are the right person to explain why the treasury reserves fell to 75B Baht from almost 500B Baht when the junta seized power from the previous elected government. 

[chama]

15 hours ago, Thailand said:

Junta huggers apart, this is a good start.

Hopefully the opposition will have organized campaigns with emphasis on the social media which will play a huge part in exposing the current ptb for what they are. A united front from ALL the opposition is the way, fragmented they will fail.

Not sure that the options are great but at least everything is likely to be aired out for public consumption so they can make educated decisions at the polls. 

[zzaa09]

20 minutes ago, chama said:

Not sure that the options are great but at least everything is likely to be aired out for public consumption so they can make educated decisions at the polls. 

You don't really believe that, do ya?

[candide]

8 hours ago, comeondoit said:

sorry but the previous governement was much worse than what we see now. They were spending money, taxpayers money and did not bother to rise money. The political memory is so short living, all already forgotten?. The problem is that the Thai people are not knowing what is democracy and need therefore a strong hand. So strong hand or not there are always fails and errors when doing things...the balance is what counts, more good than bad?? Judge by yourself but based on facts not on statistics.

Obviously one lack of the actual governement is its unability to accept and try to learn from contradicition. However that is a lack of the Thai society in general and I fear that no one coming after will be better in that

 

8 hours ago, comeondoit said:

sorry but the previous governement was much worse than what we see now. They were spending money, taxpayers money and did not bother to rise money. The political memory is so short living,all already forgotten?. The problem is that the Thai people are not knowing what 8is democracy and need therefore a strong hand. So strong hand or not there are always fails and errors when doing things...the balance is what counts, more good than bad?? Judge by yourself but based on facts not on statistics.

Obviously one lack of the actual governement is its unability to accept and try to learn from contradicition. However that is a lack of the Thai society in general and I fear that no one coming after will be better in that

I find it difficult to distinguish between facts and statistics.......

Anyway, facts or statistics?

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/thailand

Edited December 14, 2018 by candide

[Somtamnication]

Understood. Elections on Feb 24th., then the coup on Feb 25th.!

[kannot]

7 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Understood. Elections on Feb 24th., then the coup on Feb 25th.!

Im  busy on the 25th, can we  have it the day after?

[zzaa09]

10 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Understood. Elections on Feb 24th., then the coup on Feb 25th.!

Too much trouble and unneeded fanfare.

Just announce the proverbial coup on the 24th and we can get on with our lives.

 

To be expected anyway.

[Orton Rd]

On 12/14/2018 at 5:57 AM, Puchaiyank said:

The world is in turmoil... Wars, famine, terrorist attacks on innocent people,  food and water shortages, disease and weather related destruction are common place. 

 

I find Thailand... With all its many glaring faults... A relatively safe, inexpensive, lovely place to live... 

 

I have tasted life in Europe, North  and South America, the Middle East and Asia. 

 

Asia... Thailand in particular... Is still a great place to live. 

 

Do not involve yourself with the politics or religion in a foreign country... Bad for your health and well-being.

You seem to have forgotten the approx 6 thousand murders by Islamic militants in the south over the past few years, including the assassinations of monks and teachers in the separatist battle. I do not have to be involved in politics here to see that 20 constitutions and continual military coups is not the way to run a country.