Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum: poll

[AlexRich]

5 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

It was the British Prime Minister who declared war on Germany.

 

His doing so didn't do us much good in the long run did it although none of his politician chums actually went off and fought in the conflict and naturally none died. We'd have been much better off keeping out of European affairs back then just as we would be now.

Germany had a pact with Russia, but it didn't stop them rolling their tanks on Russian soil. They'd have got round to us eventually.

[yogi100]

9 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

National socialists? Yes, Nazi's.

 

You can call 'em what you like but when a comparatively tiny minority of those who consider themselves to be the elite ignore a large silent majority you are bound to eventually see repercussions.

 

Using the term Nazis is about as relevant when discussing political matters in 2019 as it is referring to Chandra Bose or Kaiser Bill.

 

What saw the rise of National Socialism in Germany?

[yogi100]

4 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Germany had a pact with Russia, but it didn't stop them rolling their tanks on Russian soil. They'd have got round to us eventually.

 

How?

 

Our navy dwarfed theirs, the RN destroyed every one of their capital ships, most of their destroyers and also most of their U Boats by '45

 

The RAF had defeated the Luftwaffe in 1940. German bomber pilots claimed it was akin to suicide flying day time missions over England and Goering feared a mutiny among bomber crews. So they turned to night sorties.

 

We had 5 aircraft carriers the Germans had none. It was Coastal Command and the Fleet Air Arm that saw to the U Boats.

 

Hitler had no landing craft, no pipe line under the ocean and no version of our Mulberry Harbours so no way of suppling an invasion force that he could never have got across the channel any way. We had tanks full of petrol and diesel all around any possible landing beaches along our coastline to burn any would be invaders into soaking wet cinders should they be daft enough to try and land.

 

The Soviets out numbered, out gunned and out fought and ultimately defeated the Germans in Russia and by June 6th were well into Poland and on their way to Berlin. In the end they had to try and defend the Fatherland with school boys and old men so how would they possibly 'have got round to us eventually'. 

 

Please reply as I'm sincerely keen on your educating me about this matter. Did they had other secret weapons like the V2 no one knew about and if so why did they not use them. And incidentally they were no nearer having atomic weapons than the Japanese were.

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, Chartist said:

 

I laughed at that as well typical hysterical remainer hyperbole it's actually pretty amazing how deluded these fools are. Already celebrating the results of a referendum that neither the Prime minister nor the Leader of the opposition want and one it's highly unlikely they'd win anyway. Non of the dire predictions of the remain campaign have come to pass, for all their blustering the economy has grown. Seriously we've had 2 years since the referendum with remain controlling the media narrative and all we've had is doom mongering. Why have they not been extolling the virtues of staying in the EU? There aren't any that's why. 

We are in the EU, and have been since the referendum. 

[AlexRich]

9 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

How?

 

Our navy dwarfed theirs, the RN destroyed every one of their capital ships, most of their destroyers and also most of their U Boats by '45

 

The RAF had defeated the Luftwaffe in 1940. German bomber pilots claimed it was akin to suicide flying day time missions over England and Goering feared a mutiny among bomber crews. So they turned to night sorties.

 

We had 5 aircraft carriers the Germans had none. It was Coastal Command and the Fleet Air Arm that saw to the U Boats.

 

Hitler had no landing craft, no pipe line under the ocean and no version of our Mulberry Harbours so no way of suppling an invasion force that he could never have got across the channel any way. We had tanks full of petrol and diesel all around any possible landing beaches along our coastline to burn any would be invaders into soaking wet cinders should they be daft enough to try and land.

 

The Soviets out numbered, out gunned and out fought and ultimately defeated the Germans in Russia and by June 6th were well into Poland and on their way to Berlin. In the end they had to try and defend the Fatherland with school boys and old men so how would they possibly 'have got round to us eventually'. 

 

Please reply as I'm sincerely keen on your educating me about this matter. Did they had other secret weapons like the V2 no one knew about and if so why did they not use them. And incidentally they were no nearer having atomic weapons than the Japanese were.

You are deluded. Britain was saved by Hitler's decision to open up the front in Russia and Japan's decision to attack Pearl Harbour, which brought in the US on the side of Britain. We would have lost that war otherwise. Without the English Channel it would have been over in a few weeks. We're not special. As the Japs demonstrated in Singapore.

 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2019 by AlexRich

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

Oh, here we go. The War? The only country that glorifies an event were 55 million plus died. The closer ties that we have with countries as a consequence of the EU makes a third European war a lot less likely. It was fascists in Germany that caused that disaster and Tommy Islam and his bunch of retards have much the same hateful mentality. The Nazi's scapegoated Jews and this clown scapegoats Muslims and immigrants. Old wine in new bottles. Those men didn't fight to repeat the mistakes of the past.  

 

 

 and this clown scapegoats Muslims and immigrants

 

He does not scapegoat immigrants, he's the son of Irish immigrants himself neither is he scapegoating Muslims.-

 

Below is the definition of a scapegoat.

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SCAPEGOAT | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

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Standing up for thousands of child rape victims and expressing a desire and fighting for justice against those rapists is not scapegoating. He wants that justice for the culprits so should you.

 

It makes me wonder why an Englishman should take the side of these culprits over that of a brave man who fights for the victims of these creatures rather than applauds someone like TR who has suffered at the hands of some of these rapists' henchmen on several occasions.

[luckyluke]

Based on the results of the Brexit referendum, the results of the last General elections, from what I read here, time for name changing; from :

 

United Kingdom

to

Divided Kingdom

 

[bomber]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

Yep saw this too. The guy at the end wants us to trade with Africa ... brilliant! Again, hand-picked and unrepresentative ... as we shall all find out when the second vote comes in. One other thing, it was only leave supporters shown here ... so it was also edited by Mike Hookem for his own purposes.

 

It's good to see a bit of confidence from the hard Brexiteers ... you'll all be happy to have that second referendum then? 

 

 

who needs the EU when we can trade with Africa ????   typical leave voter BS,

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

You are deluded. Britain was saved by Hitler's decision to open up the front in Russia and Japan's decision to attack Pearl Harbour, which brought in the US on the side of Britain. We would have lost that war otherwise. Without the English Channel it would have been over in a few weeks. We're not special. As the Japs demonstrated in Singapore.

 

 

 

 

You have still avoided the question of HOW he would have got round to us eventually had we kept out of the war. The Soviet Union was his main target any way for more Lebensraum (living space) for the citizens of the 3rd Reich he hoped to create. He had no plans to wage war against us nor the French. He only retaliated when we declared war on him

 

I've politely told you how he could not have 'got around to us' now you tell me how he could have and while you're at it tell me how I'm deluded.

 

Come on you're the clever, well educated Remainer here while I'm just an under educated 'blue collar' worker as someone on here described me. Please help me out and explain where I've got it wrong in terms that I can understand.

 

Just accusing me of being deluded means nothing and just does not cut it as far as I'm concerned. I want and need your guidance and the benefit of your knowledge and education not accusations of delusion or insults. Come on I've been polite to you so tell me in detail how I've got it wrong.

 

Forget the Japs and the Yanks for a bit that was 18 months later, lets just concentrate on Europe for the time being.

 

Let's do it a bit at a time. For a start how would he have got across the channel? 

How would he have over come the RAF and the RN because that would have been necessary to even consider attempting the crossing.

Edited January 12, 2019 by yogi100

[wellred]

This may sound controversial but I think the government should just accept there is no version of brexit which will not result in us being worse off than we are now. Therefore Brexit should be sacked off completely. No 2nd referendum, no peoples vote, no extension.

Unfortunately 'the people' have demonstrated they are too stupid and easily swayed to be allowed to make such an important decision.

People may say it will 'ruin people's trust in democracy', but who cares. There's democracy and then there's looking after the country and ensuring it doesn't implode. The latter trumps anything else and that's what the government are there for. To make the tough decisions, not to push us off a cliff because we asked for it.

[Spidey]

58 minutes ago, wellred said:

This may sound controversial but I think the government should just accept there is no version of brexit which will not result in us being worse off than we are now. Therefore Brexit should be sacked off completely. No 2nd referendum, no peoples vote, no extension.

Unfortunately 'the people' have demonstrated they are too stupid and easily swayed to be allowed to make such an important decision.

People may say it will 'ruin people's trust in democracy', but who cares. There's democracy and then there's looking after the country and ensuring it doesn't implode. The latter trumps anything else and that's what the government are there for. To make the tough decisions, not to push us off a cliff because we asked for it.

This is looking more and more likely by the day. It will be given serious consideration after Tuesday.

[bannork]

3 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

It was the British Prime Minister who declared war on Germany.

 

His doing so didn't do us much good in the long run did it although none of his politician chums actually went off and fought in the conflict and naturally none died. We'd have been much better off keeping out of European affairs back then just as we would be now.

Undoubtedly the biggest pile of manure written on Thai Visa for a long time.

Yes, we should have stayed out of WW2, surrendered to the inevitable German invasion, meekly learnt German and how to salute our evil new master Adolf.

Jeez.........

 

[brewsterbudgen]

Undoubtedly the biggest pile of manure written on Thai Visa for a long time.
Yes, we should have stayed out of WW2, surrendered to the inevitable German invasion, meekly learnt German and how to salute our evil new master Adolf.
Jeez.........
 

Indeed. Not to mention that both horrendous world wars are exactly the reason for remaining in the EU.

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[Loiner]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Indeed. Not to mention that both horrendous world wars are exactly the reason for remaining in the EU.

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The two World Wars were fought against the idea of one undemocratic combined dictatorship governed by Germany. The EU is effectively the same product, achieved over the last 60 years by deceitful politicians. That is exactly the reason for leaving the EU. 

 

You should hang your head in shame for all those lives lost in those horrendous wars. They gave their lives for you to live in freedom, not to choose eventual capitulation.

[Loiner]

4 hours ago, wellred said:

This may sound controversial but I think the government should just accept there is no version of brexit which will not result in us being worse off than we are now. Therefore Brexit should be sacked off completely. No 2nd referendum, no peoples vote, no extension.

Unfortunately 'the people' have demonstrated they are too stupid and easily swayed to be allowed to make such an important decision.

People may say it will 'ruin people's trust in democracy', but who cares. There's democracy and then there's looking after the country and ensuring it doesn't implode. The latter trumps anything else and that's what the government are there for. To make the tough decisions, not to push us off a cliff because we asked for it.

17.4 MILLION UK citizens care. 

 

The country could already set to implode because Remainers won't accept the majority decision. Apart from the current situation of total division, where do you forecast the implosion to originate from when Brexit happens - the defeated Remainers? There are no trumps in this and no guarantee that we will be worse off than now. It's not the government's decision, that has been made for the goverment and its their duty to implement it.

 

You cannot simply use the Thai style argument that the people are too stupid. They are not, but all have a vote and its as good as yours.

 

[BritManToo]

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Indeed. Not to mention that both horrendous world wars are exactly the reason for remaining in the EU.
 

I thought the whole point of the two world wars is so the UK didn't have to be part of a United Europe under German rule.

[Grouse]

7 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

It was the British Prime Minister who declared war on Germany.

 

His doing so didn't do us much good in the long run did it although none of his politician chums actually went off and fought in the conflict and naturally none died. We'd have been much better off keeping out of European affairs back then just as we would be now.

Shocking ignorance. Posts like that make be doubt the sense of universal suffrage 

[Grouse]

7 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

You can call 'em what you like but when a comparatively tiny minority of those who consider themselves to be the elite ignore a large silent majority you are bound to eventually see repercussions.

 

Using the term Nazis is about as relevant when discussing political matters in 2019 as it is referring to Chandra Bose or Kaiser Bill.

 

What saw the rise of National Socialism in Germany?

Demagoguery at a time of extreme austerity. Much like Farage actually.

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Demagoguery at a time of extreme austerity. Much like Farage actually.

Indeed. A financial crisis, an angry and bewildered population and charismatic scoundrels giving that population somebody to hate, appealing to their worst instincts. History repeating itself.

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, yogi100 said:

 

You have still avoided the question of HOW he would have got round to us eventually had we kept out of the war. The Soviet Union was his main target any way for more Lebensraum (living space) for the citizens of the 3rd Reich he hoped to create. He had no plans to wage war against us nor the French. He only retaliated when we declared war on him

 

I've politely told you how he could not have 'got around to us' now you tell me how he could have and while you're at it tell me how I'm deluded.

 

Come on you're the clever, well educated Remainer here while I'm just an under educated 'blue collar' worker as someone on here described me. Please help me out and explain where I've got it wrong in terms that I can understand.

 

Just accusing me of being deluded means nothing and just does not cut it as far as I'm concerned. I want and need your guidance and the benefit of your knowledge and education not accusations of delusion or insults. Come on I've been polite to you so tell me in detail how I've got it wrong.

 

Forget the Japs and the Yanks for a bit that was 18 months later, lets just concentrate on Europe for the time being.

 

Let's do it a bit at a time. For a start how would he have got across the channel? 

How would he have over come the RAF and the RN because that would have been necessary to even consider attempting the crossing.

Off topic. Wheel barrow coming shortly!

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, AlexRich said:

if it was recent (days) with Kristian Guru Murthy, then I did indeed?

As I thought.

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Yep saw this too. The guy at the end wants us to trade with Africa ... brilliant! Again, hand-picked and unrepresentative ... as we shall all find out when the second vote comes in. One other thing, it was only leave supporters shown here ... so it was also edited by Mike Hookem for his own purposes.

 

It's good to see a bit of confidence from the hard Brexiteers ... you'll all be happy to have that second referendum then? 

 

 

After all the remainer loaded political TV debates now you use the term "hand picked" for this one. What a crock. This is the one that you didn't watch and probably only had a glance at just now. 

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, wellred said:

This may sound controversial but I think the government should just accept there is no version of brexit which will not result in us being worse off than we are now. Therefore Brexit should be sacked off completely. No 2nd referendum, no peoples vote, no extension.

Unfortunately 'the people' have demonstrated they are too stupid and easily swayed to be allowed to make such an important decision.

People may say it will 'ruin people's trust in democracy', but who cares. There's democracy and then there's looking after the country and ensuring it doesn't implode. The latter trumps anything else and that's what the government are there for. To make the tough decisions, not to push us off a cliff because we asked for it.

Yeah. Who cares! Not you eh?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Demagoguery at a time of extreme austerity. Much like Farage actually.

Demagoguery, extreme austerity? Extreme baloney more like!

[Johnyo]

A few old farts living in the colonial past must have passed away. Wait another 10 years and all this will be pointless as the young will vote overwhelmingly to join again.


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[melvinmelvin]

You guys regularly enjoy bashing Farage.

 

Not a great fan, but he has some entertainment value.

 

However, Farage has been in UK and European politics for ages.

He has been fighting EU for ages.

 

Finally, a majority Brexit vote.

Done, as far as he is concerned.

 

In my book that deserves some respect, a lot of dedication and efforts invested over years to achieve this.

Even if you don't like the result - he did a good job of it.

 

 

 

[baboon]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Demagoguery, extreme austerity? Extreme baloney more like!

What did he say that was incorrect?

[anon676545345]

8 hours ago, AlexRich said:

We are in the EU, and have been since the referendum. 

 

So the best argument you have for staying in the EU is we're already in it? That's a pretty crap argument 

[anon676545345]

6 hours ago, wellred said:

This may sound controversial but I think the government should just accept there is no version of brexit which will not result in us being worse off than we are now. Therefore Brexit should be sacked off completely. No 2nd referendum, no peoples vote, no extension.

Unfortunately 'the people' have demonstrated they are too stupid and easily swayed to be allowed to make such an important decision.

People may say it will 'ruin people's trust in democracy', but who cares. There's democracy and then there's looking after the country and ensuring it doesn't implode. The latter trumps anything else and that's what the government are there for. To make the tough decisions, not to push us off a cliff because we asked for it.

 

Ah so basically you want to live in a totalitarian state, why don't you just piss off to China or Venezuela then

[welovesundaysatspace]

6 minutes ago, Chartist said:

 

Ah so basically you want to live in a totalitarian state, why don't you just piss off to China or Venezuela then

I’m sure Brexiteers would love it there; manipulated votes and large scale misinformation all the time and people are made to believe that’s democracy. Plus, in Venezuela you also get the wrecked economy you’re working so hard to achieve.