KhunFred Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 This would seem to indicate the direction that many of us need to take. Since TI decided to make the rules more specific at the same time that many of the embassies abandoned us, it's clear that lower-priced visa services that route some tea-money to the RTP is what is needed. Give the Thais what they want and then we get what we want. Very simple recipe for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, KhunFred said: This would seem to indicate the direction that many of us need to take. Since TI decided to make the rules more specific And what direction do you feel you need to take? How do you make rules "more specific". A rule is a rule. Rules by definition are specific. If you could not previously obey the rules it is not the Thai authorities, or those of us who have always been legal, but your problem that the clarifications do not suite your probably illegal requirements. The clarifications suite the Thai requirements. Enjoy the rest of your time in LOS. Edited January 7, 2019 by scottiejohn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunFred Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: And how do you make rules "more specific". A rule is a rule. Rules by definition are specific. If you could not previously obey the rules it is not our problem that the clarifications do not suite your requirements. The clarifications suite the Thai requirements. Enjoy the rest of your time in LOS. An amazingly obtuse understanding of what is going on. They are making it MORE difficult, not LESS difficult to get an extension. That is all you need to know. If any proof of income will be acceptable until 2020, then that makes things a bit more palatable, otherwise, not enough leeway has been granted commensurate with what we LOST when the embassies threw us under the bus. The rejoinder about "if you could not previously obey the rules", was totally uncalled for. I have been getting extensions for three years. Another member of the "Ha ha, You're leaving and I've got money" gang. A pathetic bunch, to be sure. Edited January 7, 2019 by KhunFred 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 46 minutes ago, KhunFred said: This would seem to indicate the direction that many of us need to take. What direction are you talking about? 24 minutes ago, KhunFred said: An amazingly obtuse understanding of what is going on What is obtuse is your first post. It implied to me that you cannot continue with the clarification. Is that The case? 25 minutes ago, KhunFred said: I have been getting extensions for three years By what method did you "obtain" your previous extensions and how does the clarification make things different for you now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post balo Posted January 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2019 It's easy to use an agent , that's all you need to know really. People who can think for themselves and who understand how the system works in Thailand will continue using them. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunFred Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, scottiejohn said: What direction are you talking about? What is obtuse is your first post. It implied to me that you cannot continue with the clarification. Is that The case? By what method did you "obtain" your previous extensions and how does the clarification make things different for you now? Embassy letter. Embassy letter is no longer available. I have much more income than is legally required, but I cannot redo the bank deposits until next year. If I have a full year to show my deposits into a Thai bank, then there is no problem. My income has been split all year between the United States and Bangkok Bank. I use my US bank account to pay credit cards. Recently I returned my Social Security payment to the USA to help meet those requirements. I have intentions of moving the payment BACK to Bangkok Bank sometime in May. This would mean that I cannot show a full year of deposits into a Thai bank, regardless of having about 80 thousand baht in total income. This is as clear as day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, balo said: It's easy to use an agent , that's all you need to know really. Is that to just make life easy while meeting all the legal requirements or do you mean using an agent to circumvent the law which is what I suspect the OP and yourself are alluding to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, KhunFred said: This is as clear as day. So why did you not make it clear as day in your first post without all the obtuse waffle? Edited January 7, 2019 by scottiejohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post balo Posted January 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: Is that to just make life easy while meeting all the legal requirements or do you mean using an agent to circumvent the law which is what I suspect the OP and yourself are alluding to? It's not about breaking any law , but its about letting the agent borrowing you 800k , a normal practice that has been going on for at least 20 years, Even the lawyers here will tell you it's within the law. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, balo said: It's not about breaking any law , but its about letting the agent borrowing you 800k , a normal practice that has been going on for at least 20 years, Even the lawyers here will tell you it's within the law. It is the same as the false declarations made by liars to the Embassies on their "Stat Decs". It IS breaking the law if you are making a false declaration either at your Embassy or via an agent. False declarations are what the Thai Authorities are quite rightly trying to stamp out. Edited January 7, 2019 by scottiejohn spelling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scottiejohn Posted January 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, balo said: the agent borrowing you The agent is illegally "lending". You borrow, they lend! ???? BTW: They are not actually lending you anything, they are providing false documentation to say that you have the "Borrowed" money and that it has been seasoned in an account for the LEGALLY required time! An Illegal practice. If you use that system you are on borrowed time and I will not be lending you any bail money to get out of the monkey house where you, and others like you, deserve to be if that is the system you use and condone to the detriment of the legal EX "Stat Dec" applicants. Edited January 7, 2019 by Maestro Removed the quote that was part of a removed post 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, KhunFred said: . I have intentions of moving the payment BACK to Bangkok Bank sometime in May. The information has just been released. if you choose to delay 4 or 5 months on making transfers into Thailand that, of course is your decision. If your extension finishes after June then you will be able to show that you made payments into Thailand every month after your extension finished. You will be safe. But if your extension finishes in February and you don't bother to make payments until May do not be surprised if you don't qualify for the extension. Edited January 7, 2019 by sometimewoodworker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: It is the same as the false declarations made by liars to the Embassies on their "Stat Decs". It IS breaking the law if you are making a false declaration either at your Embassy or via an agent. False declarations are what the Thai Authorities are quite rightly trying to stamp out. I'm not sure they are the same. After all, if you borrowed 800K for three months from a friend to meet the extension requirement, would that be illegal? On the other hand, there have been a lot of people doing the income route who have been lying through their teeth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, KhunFred said: but I cannot redo the bank deposits until next year. You can make transfers from this month you have enough time to get started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: BTW: They are not actually lending you anything, they are providing false documentation to say that you have the "Borrowed" money and that it has been seasoned in an account for the LEGALLY required time! An Illegal practice. You are completely wrong. The money goes into the bank account. Both Bangkok Bank and Kasikorn have been working with the agents. So the money IS borrowed and it IS going into your bank account. The only difference is it not there for 3 months. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunFred Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: Is that to just make life easy while meeting all the legal requirements or do you mean using an agent to circumvent the law which is what I suspect the OP and yourself are alluding to? You are not CIRCUMVENTING the law when the law DIRECTS YOU to use visa services, even in an indirect manner. This the way Thailand immigration has always been structured. Everyone dances around the term "bribery" but it is just the way that business is done here. Even Immigration tries to deny it. Visa services are not only LEGAL, they have become a NECESSITY. Edited January 7, 2019 by KhunFred 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Of course you can also borrow from a friend and put 800k into a deposit account for 60 days or longer , if you prefer it that way . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunFred Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said: The information has just been released. if you choose to delay 4 or 5 months on making transfers into Thailand that, of course is your decision. If your extension finishes after June then you will be able to show that you made payments into Thailand every month after your extension finished. You will be safe. But if your extension finishes in February and you don't bother to make payments until May do not be surprised if you don't qualify for the extension. My extension finishes in October. I will have to use an agent, apparently. I pay my bills first. Everything else is secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namatjira Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Well, Balo is correct, the money is actually lodged into your account, but only for a couple of days....the bank is also involved in this naturally....as for borrowing from a friend, that will not possible as it appears they will be seeking for foreign funds deposited only, a small code in the left hand corner of the transaction FTT I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgdanson Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, KhunFred said: You are not CIRCUMVENTING the law when the law DIRECTS YOU to use visa services, even in an indirect manner. This the way Thailand immigration has always been structured. Everyone dances around the term "bribery" but it is just the way that business is done here. Even Immigration tries to deny it. Visa services are not only LEGAL, they have become a NECESSITY. Seven retirement extensions and not an agent in sight. They are only a NECESSITY for people who do not have enough money to satisfy the Thai Immigration requirements. It's their country and they make the regulations. Just as you would not be allowed to take your Thai wife to live in UK if you were not earning over a certain amount (£16,000 ish I think) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgdanson Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, namatjira said: Well, Balo is correct, the money is actually lodged into your account, but only for a couple of days....the bank is also involved in this naturally....as for borrowing from a friend, that will not possible as it appears they will be seeking for foreign funds deposited only, a small code in the left hand corner of the transaction FTT I think. Are you sure the 800k needs to be from a foreign source? I know guys who have had that sum in a bank for years, untouched, gaining a bit of interest, and there if needed for health or other emergencies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimewoodworker Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, KhunFred said: My extension finishes in October. I will have to use an agent, apparently. I pay my bills first. Everything else is secondary. I have no proof, though there have certainly been strong indications that if you start making payments this month (maybe even February) that immigration will accept the incomplete year of payments. As I mentioned a delay until May probably means either agent or refusal for insufficient funds. So if the extension is secondary it suggests that staying in Thailand is not a priority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baansgr Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, scottiejohn said: It is the same as the false declarations made by liars to the Embassies on their "Stat Decs". It IS breaking the law if you are making a false declaration either at your Embassy or via an agent. False declarations are what the Thai Authorities are quite rightly trying to stamp out. I never understand why so much animosity from the hollier than thou on this subject. There could be many reasons people use an agent, maybe a sudden illness has cleared their account, low XE, family commitments the list is endless. How can people say "shouldnt be here go home" if you havnt the funds. Its a nasty streak to have and am sure Karma will eventually play its part 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post darksidedog Posted January 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2019 Well here is a conundrum. A poster suggesting discussion of visa service agents is being banned by forums, all the while running under the cover, by the way the OP is responding to replies, of a post that has all the qualifications of what is commonly called a troll post. We encourage healthy discussion of the facts, but what is happening here is that accusations of rule breaking and discussion of individuals finances, or lack thereof are taking over. Adding to that the OP has himself suggested others understanding of the matter is obtuse, which seems to confirm my suspicions. There are a number of threads open discussing the visa situation, so to suggest they are banned is absurd. This one though is now closed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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