Farang union of expats

[dickjones2018]

Farang union of expats ?

 

Is it not time that THAIVISA (biggest expat forum in Thailand) to organize a FARANG UNION to go fight for some basic human rights for us like being with your family or (just) children ?

For us FARANGS being here many years, with or without jobs, with a wife / family / children but all supporting & spending many hundreds of thousands (millions) of baht over the years.

 

Where in case of a hostile divorce, you are as good as banned from the country.

 

Let me explain the hostile part : wife has children birth certificates, id cards, passport, ... hiding outside of my  reach (with her family/work...)
(so I cannot even apply for the father of child visa).

 

My wife found the easiest way to get rid of me : not going to the yearly immigration begging round for extension.

Divorce is not even needed for her as she knows options are very few if you are still married and "your wife" does not want to do the yearly extention ...

 

What is there except Elite visa ? (3 years shy of 50, no job and no intention to go find one either)

 

I cannot even apply for a multiple visa based on family in a Thai Embassy in a neighbor country as I need her signed id card / blue book, right ?

 

Sure there will be a lot of bashing as always ... I just hope there is one good REAL advise, i'll take it with the rest of the  ...

[ezzra]

In any other civilized, morally and fairly sound country i would say yes, it a good idea.. but the Thai will tell you that you do not have equal right here, and that they don't need you and they will not miss or care for you if the lot of you will be tomorrow morning gone...

Edited January 8, 2019 by ezzra

[arithai12]

No bashing from me, best wishes. I see it's a difficult situation, although quite common it seems.

 

Only it's not clear from your email what is your goal: win the right to stay in Thailand, or to see your children? For the first one it should be possible one way or another. For the second, does she prevent you from seeing them? Are you still supporting them? How old are they? Are they registered at your embassy and have your citizenship?

[Lacessit]

Unfortunately, farangs have very few rights in Thailand.

While I'm not an expert in this field, I would have thought going back to your country of origin and applying for a long-stay visa there would be an option.

With the amount of squabbling that goes on with TV, a farang union does sound a bit far-fetched.

[jacko45k]

There is probably some regulation against it!

[jumbo]

One could consider forming an alliance with some monetary contribution from members like a foundation, that could hire a decent lawyer to review this matter and assist in setting up. Also members would have access to the lawyer, under payment of course in case of problems like the OP presents.

The same foundation could than look for matters of general interest like medical insurance.... as well as others..

Together you are somewhat stronger... even in venting, for example to the embassy, the existing frustration on them not supporting the 'income letters' anymore

And we could ask the various non English language forums for their members to join as well for when they don't read Thaivisa

 

[simon43]

Whatever you call it, please drop the word 'farang'....

[thaiguzzi]

1 hour ago, dickjones2018 said:

Farang union of expats ?

God give me strength.

1 hour ago, dickjones2018 said:

Is it not time that THAIVISA (biggest expat forum in Thailand) to organize a FARANG UNION to go fight for some basic human rights for us like being with your family or (just) children ?

For us FARANGS being here many years, with or without jobs, with a wife / family / children but all supporting & spending many hundreds of thousands (millions) of baht over the years.

Jesus wept.

[Greyhat]

It'd likely be seen as a group of troublesome farangs that can easily be dealt with. Things will have to change politically before this would be a good idea imo.

 

51 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Whatever you call it, please drop the word 'farang'....

Embrace it, don't let it become another N-word. There's nothing wrong with being a farang.

[ravip]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

In any other civilized, morally and fairly sound country i would say yes, it a good idea.. but the Thai will tell you that you do not have equal right here, and that they don't need you and they will not miss or care for you if the lot of you will be tomorrow morning gone...

Why on earth would anyone from a civilized, morally and fairly sound country in their right mind would want to live in such a barbaric country such as Thailand? Definitely he/she needs medical advise from a specialist from the  home country.

[neeray]

I like to call a spade a spade. My Thai partner hates the word farang. I wear it proudly because that is exactly what I am. And darn proud of it.

[Toosetinmyways]

The nearest equivalent to this idea would be the foreign members fight with Phoenix golf over memberships being revoked. Read the entire thread in the golf section on TV.

 

By the way what ever happened. The topic just died.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, simon43 said:

Whatever you call it, please drop the word 'farang'....

Your alternative term is? Why do you object to it?

I hear the expression used constantly by Thais, and IMHO you are not going to change their mindset. Doesn't concern me at all - it's just an identifier.

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, Greyhat said:

It'd likely be seen as a group of troublesome farangs that can easily be dealt with. Things will have to change politically before this would be a good idea imo.

 

Embrace it, don't let it become another N-word. There's nothing wrong with being a farang.

Yep, ok, you just keep smiling sweetly and take the insult.

If some calls me that I just call them a pineapple.

[onera1961]

2 hours ago, simon43 said:

Whatever you call it, please drop the word 'farang'....

Agreed. When you use the word farang with human rights, it sounds like you're advocating human right for caucasian people. And at the same time human rights watch groups are fighting to prevent deportation of a Saudi teen to her death nails in Saudi Arabia or scores of Pakistani Christians locked up in IDC in inhumane conditions because they fled prosecution and murder in their home country.

Edited January 8, 2019 by onera1961

[samran]

To the OP. Sorry about your predicament. It doesn’t sound great and I hope you reach a resolution.

 

But here is the hard cold truth.

 

There are people to handle your situation. They are called lawyers. Hire one and battle for custody rights in the court here. 

 

In terms of ‘unions’ representing foreigners. There are plenty of them too. They are called foreign chambers of commerce. Join your national one, become active and go to the meetings with the Thai government which they regularly are invited to, where topics such as visas and work permits are regularly discussed.

 

Dont like what they do? Then establish one yourself. Apply to register one via the ministry of commerce, apply for non-profit status and go about it how you see best.

 

Im afraid the history of ‘farang’ expat societies has an entertaining and miserable history. You can check the TV archives. If you are feeling lazy, then I’ll give you a 30 second version of what happens.

 

After a rant like yours on TV, other like minded and red faced members convene a meeting. Apart from their anger, they all have one common theme. As the Australians say, they couldn’t organise a root in a brothel. 

 

The last substantive one ‘organised’ via TV (and I used the words ‘substantive’ and ‘organise’ very loosely) involved a group of people meeting at a subway sandwich shop somewhere near Nana in Bangkok around 2005.

 

One of the attendees better halves was ‘connected’ so she managed to drag along some mid level no name policeman who the managed to sit there listening to all sorts of gripes that he had absolutely no power over. I have no doubt he couldn’t get out of there fast enough. 

 

After a few subsequent meetings, with each time a dwindling number of people, the initiative died out. Asking for membership dues from a bunch of pensioners who can barely scratch their ‘@rses financially probably was the killer. 

 

Now as i said, much sympathy for your situation, but this idea ain’t gonna fly. 

Edited January 8, 2019 by samran

[LivinLOS]

Love it... The Farang Union Considering Thailand.. 

 

F.U.C.T for short !! 

[RotBenz8888]

I think TV is the closest you'll ever get to a farang union.

[cleverman]

Farang, unions, can't get much further off topic. Perhaps the brakes failed on his car once. 

[overherebc]

Unless you have residency or whatever 99% are on 90 day permission to stay.

So you have 90 days to sort it everything out.

[ravip]

1 hour ago, onera1961 said:

Agreed. When you use the word farang with human rights, it sounds like you're advocating human right for caucasian people. And at the same time human rights watch groups are fighting to prevent deportation of a Saudi teen to her death nails in Saudi Arabia or scores of Pakistani Christians locked up in IDC in inhumane conditions because they fled prosecution and murder in their home country.

Human rights watch groups should ' create' a country to themselves and take in all the refugees! By the way, I wonder how much these do gooders are paid and the perks they enjoy for been so concerned about humanity!

[dickjones2018]

ah...from experience, TV is full of keyboard warriors... nevermind ...

 

yeah, you see the 60 pages of fear after one announcement from all the farangs

 

divide & conquer ...  and socialism is bad (many people from USA?) ... nah socialism bad.. but agriculture gets most of subsidies in USA to make crappy shit food and you see the result here... brainless overweight people that like to insult others... cannot expect much... TIT + TV = tity TV

 

let's concentrate on the next story of the newbie that fall in love with a massage parlor girl and everybody giving their 2 satang of advise.... keep em trolling

[dcnx]

Right after the street dogs get a union, because that’s where you stand as a foreigner here, like it or not.

 

Your thoughts and views don’t matter. The fact that you’re married, have children, and contribute to the economy does not matter. You will never be fully welcome here and will always be an outsider despite how well you think you’re respected in your village or among your Thai “friends.” Regardless of how well you speak the language and play by the rules, you are now and always will be just a farang jumping from one visa policy change to the next, grasping desperately to stay just another year.

 

As a foreigner in Thailand, you will swim upstream until the day you die. Get used to it.

[overherebc]

Subcontract it to these guys.

????????

[dcnx]

Forgot to add to my post, I do sympathize for the OP. You’re in a bad situation. Happens to a lot of good people here who thought they were doing everything right, and they probably were. But the deck is stacked against us here. Every single situation is set up so the Thais have the upper hand. That’s the game we’re playing and they will change the rules should we ever start to get the upper hand.

 

It’s the same for the average Thai and the ruling elite (the people who make and change the rules). It’s even worse for the poor. This is why Thailand is full of cheaters and dishonest people. They understand the hopeless situation they are in and go out and get theirs no matter the cost. It’s really unfortunate and creates an endless cycle.

 

Good luck, OP. I wish you the best.

[3421abc]

Other nation like Europe and the US should start to treat Thais like they treat foreigners here. Make then report every 90 days and dont ever offer residency or even the right to work if they marry or have children. This is just not right

[somtumwrong]

Naah, I can imagine some them elected spokepersons making a lot of theatre, especially if the 'union' is run by some Pattaya Men with their shady appearance. May make 'us' look worse than we actually are.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, 3421abc said:

Other nation like Europe and the US should start to treat Thais like they treat foreigners here. Make then report every 90 days and dont ever offer residency or even the right to work if they marry or have children. This is just not right

And should Thailand reciprocate the difficult visa requirements many countries in Europe and USA impose on Thais?

[somtumwrong]

11 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

Why can't more farangs understand this simple fact?  Never welcome, less welcome now. Case closed, end of discussion.

I think the Thais just raised standards, they don't welcome everyone anymore.

[roobaa01]

the discussion should focus on the compact of immigration signed in marakesh 111219 and to be accepted in february 19. the pact gurantees basic human rights for expats as well legally am i right.

 

wbr

roobaa01