bannork Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, RichardColeman said: Really ? Maybe not. Maybe the wanted them found to show what might happen to others. That's a good point but then no need for the stomach to be ripped out and replaced with concrete blocks. A bullet ridden figure left in a field would have been enough. But yes, the gruesome remains could have been intended to be found as a grisly deterrent to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 it is a bit like preparing homemade chilli oil... before you drop the chillis in, you pinch a small hole at the top of them... otherwise by the time the brewing fermenting remains gain max flotation, the mass is bobbing at the surface, and threatening to explode all the evidence every which way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Anyone with common sense will see this as a politically motivated event. It follows the pattern past extra judicial killings. These people kept a very low profile and the timing is interesting, coming this close to the election. Although most rational people will look at past politically linked murders like the Thamasat University torture and massacre and suggest military involvement, there are other possibilities such as; - A settling of accounts within their group; - A standard extra judicial killing by supporters of the current regime, although the supporters may not have official positions. - Criminals engaged in illegal logging, theft of crown resources etc. may have gotten rid of people who were interfering with their illegal activity. The redshirts have been quite docile with most leaders silenced or quiet. Perhaps someone thought that they posed a threat. All I know is that this is a vile and evil act. The guilty parties will most likely never be caught. I truly believe that the general/prime minister did not order this killing and in the absence of evidence, it is unfair and unreasonable to accuse him. Whatever, negative aspects the man may present, I do believe that he is decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, thaiguzzi said: RIP Freedom Fighters and true patriots. By the way, nice t shirt.... red shirts - freedom fighters? true patriots? Wow delusion never dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tifino Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 message delivered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf81 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, thaiguzzi said: RIP Freedom Fighters and true patriots. By the way, nice t shirt.... If I understand this article correctly, these people were communists. Not saying this murder was justified (I don't know much about Thai politics), but communism is inherently incompatible with freedom. And patriotism as well for that matter (I believe that national communism is only a stepping stone towards international communism). Quote Communism as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels envisioned it was meant to be very internationalist as proletarian internationalism was expected to place class conflict well ahead of nationalism as a priority for the working class. Nationalism was seen as a tool that the bourgeoisie used to divide and rule the proletariat (bourgeois nationalism). Whereas the influence of international communism was very strong from the late 19th century through the 1920s, the decades after that—beginning with socialism in one country and progressing into the Cold War and the Non-Aligned Movement—made national communism a larger political reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Lungstib said: You would have to be a strong believer in coincidence to believe this was not an act carried out as political vengeance. Thai officials have a poor track record regarding 'disappearance' of its opposition and the military is regularly accused of torture. Being in opposition of a Thai military govt is not a position for the feint hearted, hence they hang around a long time unchallenged. Or they upset the regime that was giving them sanctuary; or they upset their former "friends and allies: or they upset some criminals who they were illegally making some money with. Let's not pretend people opposing elected governments haven't disappeared either because they have. Ask the Muslim HR lawyer's wife/widow. One thing about terrorists, they regularly seem to turn on their friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, sweatalot said: red shirts - freedom fighters? true patriots? Wow delusion never dies Be fair - some people think the SA and Trotsky's Red Army were 'freedom fighters"! Delusion transcends the ages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, JAG said: Well, let's not consider deaths from "sudden blood disorders" and wasn't it 'liver disease' whilst in "special custody"? Then there was that fellow who managed to hang himself from a doorknob in his cell using his socks! The chap who used to dress up as a malnourished rambo and utter blood curdling yet utterly ridiculous threats, he disappeared rather suddenly and (for a publicity monger) very completely. Now the bodies of two long standing dissidents, (opponents of much which marks out the current regime) bob to the surface and n the Mekong River, strangled and weighed down with nets... No evidence maybe, but no explanations either... And let's not forget the missing Muslim HR lawyer, Billy the missing environmental campaigner, the only witness to a certain clandestine and at first denied hotel meeting by a former PM skiving off parliament, the house openly riddled with machine gun bullets because the owner's daughter dared blow a whistle at someone's ex-wife.................. etc etc Let's not pretend only one side do dark deeds when it suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Eric Loh said: Any rational and honest person who knows about the deep state will have no problem identifying the handy work of the institution behind these killings. Hmmm. Maybe you should research on disappeared and murdered people who seemingly annoyed your heroes before trying to present your opinion, which suits your agenda, as fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, sweatalot said: red shirts - freedom fighters? true patriots? Wow delusion never dies No, comprehension never dies. You did not read the article, nor comprehend or take it in. Yes they were "aligned" to the Red Shirt movement which is as close to "Power to the People" as this country has, but the main guy who was/is missing has been fighting the "elite" for decades and was previously a member of the CPT. If you don't understand what the Communist Party of Thailand and the students of the 70's & 80's had to go through, then you haven't read the right books (inc massacres of complete villages in the North and NE by helicopter gunships), which, unfortunately, are banned here, and can only be bought abroad, funnily enough. Strange that, innit? Meanwhile, you think the alternative and the "other side" are more about Freedom? This is the question you have to ask yourself and then see who is delusional. Anybody with an ounce of common sense can see what has held this country back for decades and it certainly ain't some commie peasant farmers and revolutionary long haired students. Quite the complete opposite in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Baerboxer said: Be fair - some people think the SA and Trotsky's Red Army were 'freedom fighters"! Delusion transcends the ages! So. You agree that tyranny by government as in the "Elite Few" and the Junta is better and best just suck it up, than fighting your corner and for your rights, first the CPT and then the Red Shirts? Take a deep suck. 3 hours ago, wolf81 said: If I understand this article correctly, these people were communists. Not saying this murder was justified (I don't know much about Thai politics), but communism is inherently incompatible with freedom. And patriotism as well for that matter (I believe that national communism is only a stepping stone towards international communism). Cuba. Just off the top of my head. But there are more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Baerboxer said: Hmmm. Maybe you should research on disappeared and murdered people who seemingly annoyed your heroes before trying to present your opinion, which suits your agenda, as fact. Here we go again BB trying to justify human right abuses which were reported internationally. How did a farang from a democratic country swerved so extreme right. Is it the food or the women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike324 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 hours ago, bannork said: The murderers did a sloppy job. The concrete blocks showed they obviously thought the bodies would be devoured by fish, leaving simply bones on the river bed to never be discovered. They're probably being punished right now. people always underestimate how buoyant a dead body can be. You really need to put them in a drum and fill it with concrete and dump it in a river if you don't want them to be found. Or simply dissolve the body in acid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleycoin Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 A stark reminder of the paper thin veneer of Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 7 hours ago, hotchilli said: It's all about to kick-off again... the reins of power, wealth and status are soon to be up for grabs expect a free-for-all ! Have you read the new constitution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, mike324 said: people always underestimate how buoyant a dead body can be. You really need to put them in a drum and fill it with concrete and dump it in a river if you don't want them to be found. Or simply dissolve the body in acid. Ya, I know what you mean. I always underestimate the buoyancy of dead bodies so do my neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, mike324 said: people always underestimate how buoyant a dead body can be. You really need to put them in a drum and fill it with concrete and dump it in a river if you don't want them to be found. Or simply dissolve the body in acid. I believe that stuffing the bodies (dead or alive) in an oildrum full of petrol, and them lighting it was a means of disposing of bodies not so long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 hours ago, wolf81 said: If I understand this article correctly, these people were communists. Not saying this murder was justified (I don't know much about Thai politics), but communism is inherently incompatible with freedom. And patriotism as well for that matter (I believe that national communism is only a stepping stone towards international communism). How quaint. Senator Joe McCarthy couldn't have put it better.Can we bomb all those evil communists back into the stone age again,please? It worked so well last time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleycoin Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, mike324 said: people always underestimate how buoyant a dead body can be. You really need to put them in a drum and fill it with concrete and dump it in a river if you don't want them to be found. Or simply dissolve the body in acid. yes the saudi's are a dab hand at that. the acid method that is. nasty buggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 13 hours ago, webfact said: The two men, whose bodies were found on the banks of the Mekong on December 27 and 29, appeared to have been killed in the same manner – handcuffed and strangled by rope. Their bodies were then weighted down with concrete blocks, wrapped in a net and sack and dumped into the Mekong River, which borders Thailand and Laos. The Nation's description of their deaths is mild and vague compared to what's been reported elsewhere outside Thailand: BBC: Quote The pair were found by the Mekong river, their faces disfigured and their stomachs stuffed with concrete blocks. .......... Unconfirmed reports say a third body was found at the same time but then lost again. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46965839 Straights Times: Quote Later that month, two bodies were found floating in the river in north-eastern Thailand, their faces maimed and stomachs disembowelled and stuffed with concrete blocks. ................. Human Rights Watch said five opponents of Thailand's monarchy living in Laos have gone missing in the past two years, suggesting other activists in exile were in "serious" danger. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/concrete-stuffed-bodies-found-in-mekong-were-thai-activists Hmmmmmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Denim said: Murder most foul. What heading does this fall under : Amazing Thailand Unseen Thailand Thainess Land of Smiles ? TIT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: The Nation's description of their deaths is mild and vague compared to what's been reported elsewhere outside Thailand: BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46965839 Straights Times: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/concrete-stuffed-bodies-found-in-mekong-were-thai-activists Hmmmmmmm..... Yes I read that. Simply amazes me that you can find a body and then simply lose it. Did it simply slip back into the Mekong , or did they load it onto the wrong pick up truck. Amazing! To be honest the other amazing thing was that they did a DNA test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, cmsally said: Yes I read that. Simply amazes me that you can find a body and then simply lose it. Did it simply slip back into the Mekong , or did they load it onto the wrong pick up truck. Amazing! To be honest the other amazing thing was that they did a DNA test. Who knows what's accurate or correct in all this. The one thought that occurred to me was the third body, if there was one, might well belong to Surachai, and perhaps those behind this had some special plans for the leader guy that didn't involve letting go of the body.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfLight Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Eric Loh said: Here we go again BB trying to justify human right abuses which were reported internationally. How did a farang from a democratic country swerved so extreme right. Is it the food or the women. Practice and determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 These 3 won't be causing any trouble in the future. I'm sure the other comrades got the message. Lima Charlie, 5x5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Getting more Chinese by the day, dissidents and other non-conformists start to magically disappear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 11 hours ago, robblok said: People here are quick to say its the junta just like they were quick to say that the grenade throwing guy was army (during the anti government protests )and false flag They even came with pictures of soldiers saying it was him. Later it turned out it was not (he was recently caught and proven to be a red shirt) and people on this site stayed awfully quiet. Not saying this is not junta, but there are far more options then just junta. These guys were in Laos not Thailand, quite possible they ruffled some feathers there too. I would not bet my life on either scenario because its all possible. Personally i would think it would be a real stupid move of the junta. Though the junta is known for doing stupid things. So far I haven't seen any proof of them ever murdering people like this during their reign. Ever heard of Occam's razor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, mike324 said: people always underestimate how buoyant a dead body can be. You really need to put them in a drum and fill it with concrete and dump it in a river if you don't want them to be found. Or simply dissolve the body in acid. Pro tip: the concrete must be let set first or it'll still float: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement_shoes Quote His body floated to the shore due to air in the concrete because it was not given enough time to dry before being thrown into the ocean. Naturally in here it would be Thai builders proceeding 10 mins after the pour, so expect floaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, jayboy said: Ever heard of Occam's razor? Heard of it.. actually know it and use it. However plenty of plausible other explanations vented in this topic too. Especially getriatichkid his post is quite good. Occam's razor is about least speculation I don't find it strange that people like the ones killed made enemies. So id go that they were killed by their enemies. I am not going to say who those enemies are as there are plenty of those not only the junta directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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