HuskerDo Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, LazySlipper said: No there isn't always a way... sorry... Some people have disabilities and another thing is that it is the gvt that creates bridges and barriers to people actually getting a head in life. The level of taxation in my country does not represent the redistribution of wealth it should. When my time comes to retire you better believe that I count on my gvt to subsidize me. They taxed me on my salary and added sales tax on top of that... they over tax fuel etc etc... The gvt should be accountable because they are elected by us at the end of the day. I agree that there isn't always a way depending on special circumstances but if you are determined to improve your life and rise above then you can. So many examples of that. Too many people playing the "poor me.. feel sorry for me " card. I was there and found a way to rise above. Yes, I didn't have a personal life for 4 years with working two jobs while carrying a full schedule at school but I was determined and I did succeed. It's available to those who want the same. No excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Baerboxer said: It's a blight on society and an indication of how little mankind has really progressed. We are in our third millennium and we still have massive social divisions. Divisions based on wealth, class, ethnicity and even religious believes. We have governments that have become businesses in which those running the show become very wealthy with very comfortable lives and excellent futures for their offspring, whilst those in need of support are ignored, marginalized and shunned. Governments, as one poster suggests, ought to have the welfare and care of their people as their primary mandate and concern. How ironic is that when their main concern seems to themselves and their families? In the UK poverty is on the rise, many rely on food banks, homelessness is on the rise, street crime is rampant, but the politicians and their cronies are doing very nicely. Even the money laundering and unusual wealth rules don't seem to affect or apply to them. Governments no longer rule for the benefit of their people, nor do they serve them. And this is regardless of the type of government they are. "We are in our third millennium and ......" You can add bad schooling to your list of ails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskerDo Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 hours ago, rkidlad said: I’m a strong believer of people being responsible for them themselves, but that doesn’t mean we can’t show compassion and help others when we can. I’d rather live in a society who genuinely encourages and wants to help each other than one that’s just each man for himself. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskerDo Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, LazySlipper said: No there isn't always a way... sorry... Some people have disabilities and another thing is that it is the gvt that creates bridges and barriers to people actually getting a head in life. The level of taxation in my country does not represent the redistribution of wealth it should. When my time comes to retire you better believe that I count on my gvt to subsidize me. They taxed me on my salary and added sales tax on top of that... they over tax fuel etc etc... The gvt should be accountable because they are elected by us at the end of the day. They are elected yet after that they seem to do what they want. In the US a true "game changer" cannot get put on important committees that would afford them a true voice for change if they don't agree with the 90 year old "leaders". It's always the way of the establishment and that's probably why they are still working when the yare 90 years old. They just can't believe there are any new ideas out there. Power trip for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrunner Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 At 78 I think death can't be all that bad, when I see how many Thais chose death over sensible driving there maybe something there. I worked hard and have a firm monetary base and a Thai wife of 18 years who helps me stay alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, HuskerDo said: I'm not at all against compassion when it's appropriate but when people don't do their best to improve their conditions and circumstances but rather step back and want others (govt) to do it for them it's a problem. I was raised In a dirt poor family where my father worked three jobs to provide for his family. I decided to rise above and spent every hour either working, sleeping or at school studying until I graduated and started my professional career. I achieved and know if anyone else truly wants to escape poverty they can. It is indeed a mindset. With all due respect for your background and what you say you have achieved can you honestly say that for the majority of those specifically mentioned in the report are in a position to achieve the same? Could you honestly say that you could achieve the same as a Thai in Thailand. The grossly uneducated, children, the elderly, those with psych issues, gross abuse situations,disability issues are being abandoned to the streets and survive there as a last resort. A minority would have chosen to be there. Some are literally forced to be there. Consider if or not political policy biased to increase and maintain wealth by support of corporate systems which encourage automation in preference to employees incrementally exacerbates the increasing problem. Government handouts, training programs with no specific end goal in the guise of Social Support is not a path to socialism or communism. It is the minimalist antidote to avert that possibility whilst maintaining the status quo.. People who are not grossly compromised by situations they have no control of or escape from are still people. Mindset is unlikely to offset societal reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) So, 50% positive news. In all seriousness, I hope the homeless get the help they need. A simple home in a community with social services, medical care and medication, simple meals. Help is not costly in Thailand. Along the lines of a retirement community for those in need. Edited January 25, 2019 by Ulic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Must talk to the wife to see if we can house a homeless sex worker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I was amazed in Wellington NZ just how many people sleeping on the streets in the middle of winter despite the shelters & unemployment benefits being handed out. The working folks who have just had a nice dinner in a restaurant giving them "doggy bags" & buying them a coffee. Not so sure some of them actually like the relaxed lifestyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 8 hours ago, HuskerDo said: As I mentioned before all adults are responsible for their lives. People who rely on the govt don't really have any goals in life. There is always a way and an option if you work hard. It's not any govt's job to provide jobs, food, medical care, etc for everyone. That would fall under the umbrella of communism. Not much point in having a government then- not if their key function as protector/provider no longer exists. Where do you get your ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 12 hours ago, webfact said: There is also an increase in the number of sex workers, Obviously there is an urgent demand for it... ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyrobot Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Not many governments care because homeless people and mentally disabled don’t vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Posts and replies not related to the "Numbers of homeless and sex workers ‘increasing in Bangkok’" have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, BritManToo said: Surely the mentally ill aren't responsible for their lives? I wouldn't include the sick or the elderly either. Some people need the help of others to survive. Mentally ill should be aborted before birth No one should be sick, "physician, heal thyself" Hope I die before I get old (Pete Townsend) Problems solved Sarcasm Edited January 25, 2019 by Skallywag misspelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 14 hours ago, webfact said: foundation proposed that the community play a more active role by providing job training to their community members. Once these homeless people are properly trained, recruiters from the Employment Department should find jobs for them. Of course you must want to work. In America I've seen youngsters quit jobs where I worked because they would rather stay at home with Mom and/or Dad at 19 - 26 YO, than break a sweat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Andersen Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 15 hours ago, webfact said: The foundation also said that more elderly people and mentally ill people were living on the streets after being evicted from their homes by their families Where is this mentality come from Thailand was a nice Buddhist country where family took care of each other now it is just a me first and don't care about anything country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskerDo Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 7 hours ago, RichardColeman said: Must talk to the wife to see if we can house a homeless sex worker. Great idea Richard. That's an original way to attack the problem. :-) Good luck on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskerDo Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Henrik Andersen said: Where is this mentality come from Thailand was a nice Buddhist country where family took care of each other now it is just a me first and don't care about anything country "now it is just a me first and don't care about anything country".... I sure hope that's not where the country is headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Andersen Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 hours ago, HuskerDo said: 6 hours ago, Henrik Andersen said: Where is this mentality come from Thailand was a nice Buddhist country where family took care of each other now it is just a me first and don't care about anything country "now it is just a me first and don't care about anything country".... I sure hope that's not where the country is headed It seems so and my wife sad what Thailand has become she see it in her own family only her care about her mom and grandma they other sister and brother only waiting for grandma died so can sell her land Sad but true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 22 hours ago, webfact said: The foundation also said that more elderly people and mentally ill people were living on the streets after being evicted from their homes by their families. love that Thainess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 There are no Sex workers in Thailand, there're all cashiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 What I want to know is how many homeless sex workers are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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