Corruption in Thailand likened to a disease: And it needs to be cured!

[Speedhump]

Farang should stop whining. If you live here, just pay the baksheesh for the small shit, get a friendly high level cop for the serious shit (not difficult) and enjoy your life, you screeching monkeys. 

[mikebell]

21 hours ago, Pilotman said:

They would not move on it until she paid them 5,000 Baht.

My wife had 12K extorted by a Sattahip cop or my visa the following year would be 'difficult.'

[mok199]

No Alshiemers is a disease ,parkinsons is a disease , huntingtons is a disease ,this is just  another stupid  angle in the Thailand blame epidemic..Disgusting Thailand where responsibility is just another 4 letter word..

[Lokie]

I first came to LOS in 2006 so am still a relative Newbie, your hear many things when you first come about the place - one of the main things that sticks in your mind is that Money is No1...

 

After 12 years I have yet to see this disproved, in fact it is reaffirmed on a daily basis in all facets of Thai life

 

Corruption is normal operating procedure and to get things done the wheels have to be greased here or you have a very long wait and be given the RunaRound ????

[shaurene]

There are too many high ups in the system. Most Thais will keep their mouth closed due to getting beaten, killed or family punished.

 

needs to be stopped at the top and tough punishment given out but that will never happen. Wink Wink, did you just drop this envelop.

The end of the world would come sooner.

[Pilotman]

16 minutes ago, mikebell said:

My wife had 12K extorted by a Sattahip cop or my visa the following year would be 'difficult.'

That's a hell of a lot worse than my example.  At least we got some service for our 5K, to say that to your wife and you is outrageously criminal. 

Edited January 27, 2019 by Pilotman

[Chrisswe]

It's not a disease , Thais are born corrupted, it's a life-style , if you want to "cure it" than you must start with next generation kids to learn them what is wrong what is right as per Thai Laws and regulations , give them right attitude and be HONEST !!!!

[Brickbat]

Corruption is everywhere...look at Donny (Trump).

if there’s money to be stolen, thieves will appear. 

No matter where. 

So stop patronising and whinging .

and lets be positive that some steps appear to be taken.

[mark131v]

2 hours ago, pornprong said:

Why do you think there was a coup in 2006 and another in 2014?

(let us not forget just how vocally pro-coup you were/are)

 

Do you think the Junta has anything to benefit by falsifying and/or exaggerating claims of "Shin" corruption?

 

(Look at the nonsense in the link below - and it is the best the Junta has on him)

http://slimdogsworld.blogspot.com

 

 

Why do you think coups always move Thailand away from democracy putting more and more power into the hands of unelected appointed elite apparatchiks?

 

(1997 constitution all Senators elected, 2007 constitution 1/2 Senators elected and 1/2 appointed and 2017 constitution 0 Senators elected and all Senators appointed)

 

 

Which Thai administrations are subject to more external oversight - elected ones or unelected coup Junta's?

 

(Compare Yingluck's treatment by the NACC and the courts to the way both these "independent" institutions handled Prawit and his watches or the Rajabhakti park scandal or the Iconsiam "corruption tower")

 

 

If one were to summarise your position having read several years of your posts, it would be this:

 

All the misery, missed opportunities, oppression and suffering that the Thai people endure under unelected Junta's is worth it because at least the "Shins" (the people's choice) aren't in government.

 

How silly!

 

If I have a hero, it is not any individual, but the process of democracy and the effect it has on opening societies.

 

Why are you opposed to democracy and how is your alternative better?

Nail on the head!!! post of the week...

 

I too have listened to all these excuses from the same old posters making excuses about their acceptance and support for a blatantly corrupt regime that does absolutely nothing other than maintain the status quo and allow the elite to steamroller any seed of democracy, truly sad the sheer delusion being displayed by some on here

[madmen]

10 years and only three 7/11 attempts at squeezing a few hundred baht
Bought high ticket items and condos to.

Had my wallet returned several times over the years

[timewilltell]

I understand now - the NACC is the new Big Joke!

[digger70]

I think that corruption is a lot worse than a Disease it seems to me that it is inbuilt in their DNA over generations. This is going to be a difficult one to stamp out. they will have to start from scratch and modify the DNA (genetic engineering) and I bet this will take a few generations .

[RJRS1301]

On 1/26/2019 at 9:31 PM, Lee man said:

In my view Corruption in Thailand is'nt looked at as Corruption..Its looked at as a way of life..

Well when so many refer to it as "morning tea money" and seem to laugh at it, it flourishes , not sure how a singular person faced with a corrupt official, possible jail threats or more addresses the issue though

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, Chrisswe said:

It's not a disease , Thais are born corrupted, it's a life-style , if you want to "cure it" than you must start with next generation kids to learn them what is wrong what is right as per Thai Laws and regulations , give them right attitude and be HONEST !!!!

How does all this corruption fit in with Buddhist teachings?

I always thought honesty, ethics, and humility were part of TRUE Buddhism??

 

 

 

[bristolgeoff]

Like stopping a train coming towards you and you can do nothing to stop it

[Essaybloke]

True story- on the afternoon of December 30th the missus and I jumped in the car to visit the supermarket. Hit the main road and guess what, police roadblock, checking helmets and vehicle rego. My ute has current rego and insurance etc, but no current sticker on the windscreen (it's in the glovebox, right? I know I know my bad). The nice sergeant told my sweetly smiling wife that a small bottle of whiskey (for happy new year) should cover the costs. Either that or a minimum of pan baht should it go 'further'. Two hours later the nice policeman (discreetly out of uniform) met us outside 7/11, collected the package and we all parted, happy enough. Saved me 650 baht, everybody happy. Not so much 'corruption' as 'individualised, personal service'. My wife cannot understand my feelings of disquietude about occurrences like this. 

[HalfLight]

18 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

How does all this corruption fit in with Buddhist teachings?

I always thought honesty, ethics, and humility were part of TRUE Buddhism??

 

 

 

The operative word here is TRUE. The Buddhism practised in Thailand is not true Buddhism. Like most things in Thailand, it's a mixture of convenient things, in this case from other sects of Buddhism and from Hinduism, a bastardisation if you will. Thais don't want religion in the sense of improving oneself, what they want is to pop down the wat, pray for better luck and say a few 'Pacowatos' For Thais, religion is the same as everything else, they feel good about themselves if they do what someone else with an agenda has told them to do.

 

I wish I could believe in the idea of reincarnation but I just can't; for me it's a complete nonsense thought up in order to keep people in their place and the monks in money. Beats having a proper job I suppose..

[Essaybloke]

25 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

How does all this corruption fit in with Buddhist teachings?

I always thought honesty, ethics, and humility were part of TRUE Buddhism??

 

 

 

A cross-cultural hallmark of religiosity is the propensity for hypocrisy. Or is that 'a realistic compromise with the real world'?

[Essaybloke]

2 minutes ago, HalfLight said:

The operative word here is TRUE. The Buddhism practised in Thailand is not true Buddhism. Like most things in Thailand, it's a mixture of convenient things, in this case from other sects of Buddhism and from Hinduism, a bastardisation if you will. Thais don't want religion in the sense of improving oneself, what they want is to pop down the wat, pray for better luck and say a few 'Pacowatos' For Thais, religion is the same as everything else, they feel good about themselves if they do what someone else with an agenda has told them to do.

 

I wish I could believe in the idea of reincarnation but I just can't; for me it's a complete nonsense thought up in order to keep people in their place and the monks in money. Beats having a proper job I suppose..

You have covered just about every religion on Earth with that comment! ????

[HalfLight]

11 minutes ago, Essaybloke said:

True story- on the afternoon of December 30th the missus and I jumped in the car to visit the supermarket. Hit the main road and guess what, police roadblock, checking helmets and vehicle rego. My ute has current rego and insurance etc, but no current sticker on the windscreen (it's in the glovebox, right? I know I know my bad). The nice sergeant told my sweetly smiling wife that a small bottle of whiskey (for happy new year) should cover the costs. Either that or a minimum of pan baht should it go 'further'. Two hours later the nice policeman (discreetly out of uniform) met us outside 7/11, collected the package and we all parted, happy enough. Saved me 650 baht, everybody happy. Not so much 'corruption' as 'individualised, personal service'. My wife cannot understand my feelings of disquietude about occurrences like this. 

Nothing that a dashcam with the sound turned on won't resolve, but of course you have to stay in the car. When the bent copper's made his pitch, then inform him that the whole conversation was recorded and will be passed to Big Joke.. Be sure to have him identify himself during the conversation.

 

That oughtta do it but I doubt I'm the first person to think of it so I'd be glad to hear people's experiences, and the copper will likely think you're bluffing and call it, that's the nature of the beast, so you might have to show him the cam. I've only had to do that once, apart from that, if the pororbor is up to date and I have my licence in the wallet, I assume I'll have no problem.

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2019 by HalfLight

[HalfLight]

3 minutes ago, Essaybloke said:

You have covered just about every religion on Earth with that comment! ????

Yes. All of them. They're all the same. What one did which worked, the others copied. IMHO, religion is a bigger mafia than the mafia, which is why (in the Christian religion), so many of the priests have been found to be perverts with impunity.

 

Go to any of the 'Christian' schools and hospitals and see if you can work out what they're after.. shouldn't be hard, shouldn't take long.

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2019 by HalfLight

[David Walden]

4 hours ago, Nielsk said:

Exactly the same in the western civilized countries.  Don't You read an and see the world press ?!?

Yes, I think we have some corruption in Australia, Europe, USA, and Canada, you would be nieve to believe otherwise but nothing like it is in some other Asian and Central/South America plus Africa countries.  Perhaps that is why in the more developed countries even our ages pensioners are in the top 90% of income earners in the World.  In Australia, we may complain and bitch about our government but we do have stable government, that really is where the difference is?

[Essaybloke]

2 minutes ago, HalfLight said:

Nothing that a dashcam with the sound turned on won't resolve, but of course you have to stay in the car. When the bent copper's made his pitch, then inform him that the whole conversation was recorded and will be passed to Big Joke.. Be sure to have him identify himself during the conversation.

 

Oughtta doit but I doubt I'm the first person to think of it so I'd be glad to hear people's experiences.

 

 

 

Well yes, but the point is I was in the wrong technically. Glad to get away having dropped less than $15, I shudder to think what would have happened back in good ol' South Aus.

[HalfLight]

5 minutes ago, David Walden said:

Yes, I think we have some corruption in Australia, Europe, USA, and Canada, you would be nieve to believe otherwise but nothing like it is in some other Asian and Central/South America plus Africa countries.  Perhaps that is why in the more developed countries even our ages pensioners are in the top 90% of income earners in the World.  In Australia, we may complain and bitch about our government but we do have stable government, that really is where the difference is?

Yes, up will go the cry from time to time, that corruption is everywhere and that makes it OK for corruption to be endemic in Thailand. It's BS of course, but the cry goes up regularly among some of our erstwhile colleagues.

 

 

 

[HalfLight]

9 minutes ago, Essaybloke said:

Well yes, but the point is I was in the wrong technically. Glad to get away having dropped less than $15, I shudder to think what would have happened back in good ol' South Aus.

Indeed. In the wrong for not displaying the pororbor? Yes I suppose so.

 

 

 

[Jimdandy]

On 1/26/2019 at 5:31 PM, rooster59 said:

Corruption in Thailand likened to a disease

Yeah, gonorrhea; everybody want a piece of the action and hates safe sex. In a similar sense everybody wants a piece of the corruption action and hate following the rules. When a person test positive with a STD, they're shocked and can't believe it happened to them.

 

With corruption, when a person is caught in a corruption scam they're shocked and can't believe it happened to them.

[Pilotman]

27 minutes ago, HalfLight said:

Nothing that a dashcam with the sound turned on won't resolve, but of course you have to stay in the car. When the bent copper's made his pitch, then inform him that the whole conversation was recorded and will be passed to Big Joke.. Be sure to have him identify himself during the conversation.

 

That oughtta do it but I doubt I'm the first person to think of it so I'd be glad to hear people's experiences, and the copper will likely think you're bluffing and call it, that's the nature of the beast, so you might have to show him the cam. I've only had to do that once, apart from that, if the pororbor is up to date and I have my licence in the wallet, I assume I'll have no problem.

 

 

 

A couple of times I have been waved  to a stop, then immediately waved on when the cop has seen my 2 dash cams, one pointed at the road ahead and one to the rear from over my right shoulder, which also takes in the drivers side window. Funny thing that. 

[HalfLight]

3 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

A couple of times I have been waved  to a stop, then immediately waved on when the cop has seen my 2 dash cams, one pointed at the road ahead and one to the rear from over my right shoulder, which also takes in the drivers side window. Funny thing that. 

Me too, friend. The reaction is often most satisfying. Except mine are located front and back. Same same but different..

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2019 by HalfLight

[chama]

This really isn't news, everyone knows Thailand is rife with corruption. But the saddest part is that the people charged with ending it is one of the worst offenders. They seem to endorse the worst of the worst...think watches. 

[Grusa]

8 hours ago, car720 said:

and this is news to who exactly?????

Nobody.

 

The unacceptable truth is, all the wingeing expats on this forum who wring their hands, complain about the frog, the BiB, the dirt, the pollution, etc., etc., but continue, or wish to continue to live here, actually use and benefit from the system - some in big ways, some in small. Hypocrites all. All will suffer in some way if the place ever becomes ethical - for want of a better word.