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41 minutes ago, ZeVonderBearz said:

What's wrong with MSG? 

It's more about quantity, i used to think Thai food was healthy

until i lived here,  and looked how they cook with stuff like Salt, Msg, and Sugar. way over the top.

( cook at home is healthy )

But feel free to consume,  as much as you wish,  of it all.

 

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16 minutes ago, stanleycoin said:

It's more about quantity, i used to think Thai food was healthy

until i lived here,  and looked how they cook with stuff like Salt, Msg, and Sugar. way over the top.

( cook at home is healthy )

But feel free to consume,  as much as you wish,  of it all.

 

I live in Isaan, sod all restaurants here, and the nutritional value of the <deleted> most people have to eat is (I suspect) apalling. Kids are growing taller these days, but I am unsurprised that the average Thai over 50 is small by comparison to the western world, and the incidence of heart and liver problems among people who certainly are not obese ought to be a worry but seems not to be.

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To say what is healthy and what is not one needs to have a really good understanding of what they put in there mouths in regards as food. Health taking into account from everything from birth to the adult of a person, background, environment, etc. Healthy is a loose term and does not look at the bigger picture just only foods for the most part. Now, worldwide even in the best case scenario the human body is not designed to live past 100 years and in some cases past 100. 

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4 minutes ago, InsertNameHere said:

To say what is healthy and what is not one needs to have a really good understanding of what they put in there mouths in regards as food. Health taking into account from everything from birth to the adult of a person, background, environment, etc. Healthy is a loose term and does not look at the bigger picture just only foods for the most part. Now, worldwide even in the best case scenario the human body is not designed to live past 100 years and in some cases past 100. 

Indeed. And 200 years ago, the life expectancy was about 40, but apart from the fact that you're right, I'm not sure what the take-away is. Oddly, the Isaan diet might well be very good in terms of the amount of insect protein sections of the community consume. But of course, not all people eat insects, it's a cultural thing. I think I'd rather not eat anything that sit down to a nice feed of fried maggots or crickets. But then I'm an old fuddy-duddy from way back.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, HalfLight said:

Salt and sugar. Staple Thai fare which kills people. Dietary experience in the rest of the world somehow doesn't apply in Thailand, they're just starting to get the message?

Outstanding.

I remember reading Michael Moss's book Salt, Sugar, Fat.

It describes how (mainly) the US fast food industry - especially Coke - realised decades ago that these three items were highly addictive when used in food, hence the high levels in the product in order to keep customers wanting more.

It was a good read, although very frightening by showing the power of multi-national companies.

 

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51 minutes ago, HalfLight said:

Indeed. And 200 years ago, the life expectancy was about 40, but apart from the fact that you're right, I'm not sure what the take-away is. Oddly, the Isaan diet might well be very good in terms of the amount of insect protein sections of the community consume. But of course, not all people eat insects, it's a cultural thing. I think I'd rather not eat anything that sit down to a nice feed of fried maggots or crickets. But then I'm an old fuddy-duddy from way back.

It's a culture thing for sure but just how did it become a cultural thing? When the body is what we think is hunger will eat and try to survive on just about anything. When the everything has been monopolized do to money, control, etc. lack of money to buy food people were forced to eat what they could find it was not about proteins etc. People who live where it is mostly dark, lack of sunshine, or only food source is fish all this talk about health means nothing. The only reason for you not wanting to eat "anything that sat down....." is because your culture did not do. As far as a take away there just is nothing to take from this other than people talking about health do NOT know what they are talking about rather just regurgitating what they know, read, or heard. Nothing from first hand knowledge. But, hey what do we all know anyways as it is pure opinion nothing more. ???? 

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8 minutes ago, InsertNameHere said:

It's a culture thing for sure but just how did it become a cultural thing? When the body is what we think is hunger will eat and try to survive on just about anything. When the everything has been monopolized do to money, control, etc. lack of money to buy food people were forced to eat what they could find it was not about proteins etc. People who live where it is mostly dark, lack of sunshine, or only food source is fish all this talk about health means nothing. The only reason for you not wanting to eat "anything that sat down....." is because your culture did not do. As far as a take away there just is nothing to take from this other than people talking about health do NOT know what they are talking about rather just regurgitating what they know, read, or heard. Nothing from first hand knowledge. But, hey what do we all know anyways as it is pure opinion nothing more. ???? 

 

That's true, you said it before I could. All knowledge stems from what we read, hear or know, can't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

 

 

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More tax? How about a complete ban for ready meals jumping in at the CP’s etc who have enough in their food to kill a few horses over a short time. Not for taste, but a cheap preservative as well. 

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I had a  (surprisingly good for all we hear abut 'hospital food') meal at Mission Hospital, Phuket, last week. They had a sign up above the condiments section warning about large amounts of salt and trying to cut down on its consumption. Evolution not revolution is the way ahead.

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2 hours ago, HalfLight said:

I live in Isaan, sod all restaurants here, and the nutritional value of the <deleted> most people have to eat is (I suspect) apalling. Kids are growing taller these days, but I am unsurprised that the average Thai over 50 is small by comparison to the western world, and the incidence of heart and liver problems among people who certainly are not obese ought to be a worry but seems not to be.

Children in Europe after WW2 also grew taller. Not because the quality of food suddenly got much better, but primarily because the quantity did...

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3 hours ago, HalfLight said:

Salt and sugar. Staple Thai fare which kills people. Dietary experience in the rest of the world somehow doesn't apply in Thailand, they're just starting to get the message?

 

Outstanding.

Luckily the western countries are role models about what a healthy diet looks like. Obese not being a serious issue at all. 

 

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39 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

I had a  (surprisingly good for all we hear abut 'hospital food') meal at Mission Hospital, Phuket, last week.

I always liked the food at their restaurant. Especially the rice they have is great, just don't ask for the white stuff, that's boring like everywhere else. 

Posted
3 hours ago, HalfLight said:

In a minority of people, MSG causes migraine-like symptoms, not just headaches, but visual migraines. It isn't universal by any means and the direct evidence appears weak-ish (mainly due to lack of research), but I can tell you in my case there is close to a 100% correlation with visual migraine, and the only sure remedy is a few hours of sleep. Your mileage might vary, but for me, this is a real problem if I fancy a Chinese meal (also had the problem in the UK, which is where it originally surfaced). Thai food also uses MSG as a flavour-enhancer; instead of salt.

And some people are lactose intolerant, some people are allergic to nuts etc...

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28 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Children in Europe after WW2 also grew taller. Not because the quality of food suddenly got much better, but primarily because the quantity did...

Maybe, I have no training as a nutritionist, but judging from the amount they eat (someone on here joked that Thais have to eat every 15 minutes), I suspect the issue isn't so much quantity as quality. Rice is hugely non-nutritious and they eat mountains of it.

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11 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

And some people are lactose intolerant, some people are allergic to nuts etc...

That's true enough... but there ought to be reason in all things. Thais love sugar, they consume it in bread (!) and milk (!). Sugar surely is addictive as someone else hinted in this thread.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, HalfLight said:

Rice is hugely non-nutritious and they eat mountains of it.

 

Humans are biologically compelled to seek out food energy (carbs, mostly, including sugar).  We gravitate toward food with the highest levels of carbs and fat.  It's only in this light that any sort of food could be loosely described as addictive.

 

If you're looking for somebody to point a finger at, point it at us for not being able to moderate our caloric intake.  Food is everywhere, and too many people eat for pleasure.

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20 minutes ago, GeoMill said:

Luckily the western countries are role models about what a healthy diet looks like. Obese not being a serious issue at all. 

 

Hmmm. Well, the spread of diabetes 2 is something which the western world largely monopolised until McDonalds and KFC started spreading into the East. I spent some time with the DM medics in Cambridge, and they had some quite alarming research which showed the spread of DM2 almost exactly mirroring the spread of McDonalds. Wealth is killing off many of the western countries. I watch quite a lot of BBC, and British women seem to have become worryingly obese in the past 15 years, or so the telly tells it...

 

 

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