Thailand Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Do the new rules apply only to NEW extensions of stay based on retirement or does it apply to all? If it applies to all then it is a big change in requirements, if it's not then it's a storm in a teacup. Can't see any point in asking at your local office as there seems to be as much confusion with IO's as with expats. Surely TV have the contacts to get the information from the big guns, "are the new rules all encompassing or only for new applications from 1st March?" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 As written it applies to all except those who came in pre Oct 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 So you are saying 100% it applies to all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Just now, Thailand said: So you are saying 100% it applies to all? I know no different than what the order states, I will go to a bit of a meeting Friday and perhaps hear some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post theoldgit Posted February 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2019 I would have thought that each annual extension of stay would be a new one and subject to the rules in force at the time. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacko45k Posted February 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 minute ago, theoldgit said: I would have thought that each annual extension of stay would be a new one and subject to the rules in force at the time. There are some grandfather rules in play for those who have been doing extensions a long time which require lesser amounts of money. A hangover from the time they were easier to deal with and thoughtful! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, jacko45k said: I know no different than what the order states, I will go to a bit of a meeting Friday and perhaps hear some more. Only asking as I had heard different from a reasonable source but as it only appears that people have approached their local offices for information. Somebody must have access to immigration bigwigs for a definitive answer to a simple but important question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I did spoke to the IMO manager, of a southern province /Nakhon Si, a couple days ago and asked about the new retirement & marriage visa regulations the answer """ same, same, wait and see """ he knew about the TV forum and knew people are not happy, thus '' same, same," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 It's for everyone applying for extensions after March. The only exceptions are people that were already grandfathered based on continuous extensions since 1998.Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 So based on the answers to my original question so far there has been no contact with immigration bigwigs only interpretations of the police order? Immigration would have a great get out clause if the foot shot turns ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgdanson Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, Thailand said: Only asking as I had heard different from a reasonable source but as it only appears that people have approached their local offices for information. Somebody must have access to immigration bigwigs for a definitive answer to a simple but important question. I asked the top man at P'lok Imm last week, and he said 'As long as 800k come into bank from abroad I am OK. Lump sum or, monthly' I am erring on the cautious and doing 66k a month, Transferwise, FTT in my Bkk Bank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted February 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, wgdanson said: I asked the top man at P'lok Imm last week, and he said 'As long as 800k come into bank from abroad I am OK. Lump sum or, monthly' I am erring on the cautious and doing 66k a month, Transferwise, FTT in my Bkk Bank. That's nice but readers should keep in mind -- A report from one provincial office The police order isn't clear about much, but it is clear in the use of the word MONTHLY in describing the transfers What you're told verbally one day by an officer doesn't guarantee that will actually still be enforced that way at time of application 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post overherebc Posted February 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2019 53 minutes ago, Jingthing said: That's nice but readers should keep in mind -- A report from one provincial office The police order isn't clear about much, but it is clear in the use of the word MONTHLY in describing the transfers What you're told verbally one day by an officer doesn't guarantee that will actually still be enforced that way at time of application Or 10 minutes later by another IO in the same office. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: It's for everyone applying for extensions after March. The only exceptions are people that were already grandfathered based on continuous extensions since 1998. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I think that you are probably right but you don't know that for certain. Even the IOs don't seem to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 34 minutes ago, overherebc said: Or 10 minutes later by another IO in the same office. Or the same officer and another applicant and different answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojaco Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) In Chiang Rai today when I did my "800,00 in the bank" annual extension for retirement, they are using the new rules as effective today already. I have to keep 800,000 Baht in the bank for three months from today, and 400,000 thereafter. My extension wasn't due until March 3, so I extended early. Edited February 6, 2019 by mojaco clarificaton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thailand Posted February 6, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, mojaco said: In Chiang Rai today when I did my "800,00 in the bank" annual extension for retirement, they are using the new rules as effective today already. I have to keep 800,000 Baht in the bank for three months from today, and 400,000 thereafter. My extension wasn't due until March 3, so I extended early. Goes to show they have no idea what they are doing, what a shower! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thailand said: Goes to show they have no idea what they are doing, what a shower! How could they really? These recent orders (and memos) are about as clear as muddy mud. Given such lack of guidance they're covered doing just about anything! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Side Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, mojaco said: In Chiang Rai today when I did my "800,00 in the bank" annual extension for retirement, they are using the new rules as effective today already. I have to keep 800,000 Baht in the bank for three months from today, and 400,000 thereafter. My extension wasn't due until March 3, so I extended early. Maybe because your extension begins after 1st March. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Thailand said: Goes to show they have no idea what they are doing, what a shower! Of course not. There are no rules for implementation. Each fiefdom gets to do whatever it wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontious Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Justin Side said: Maybe because your extension begins after 1st March. The rules are relevant to ' date of application ' not extension date. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk6060 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, zydeco said: Of course not. There are no rules for implementation. Each fiefdom gets to do whatever it wants. That actually may turn out to be true. As time goes on and the IO's ask their boss what about this or that, a decision will be made for that office. It may not apply other places which has been the case historically. The monthly may be judged differently who knows as some may look at an average. But, adding and dividing numbers will not be something they will relish. I do think the clearest, easiest, cleanest way is the 800 k which is my plan. Edited February 6, 2019 by bkk6060 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Re the requirement of having to keep retirement bank funds on deposit, in another thread here today, there was one report out of Chiang Rai where the IO told the applicant the new rules took effect now with his newly issued extension, while a report out of Chiang Mai had the IO telling the applicant the new rules wouldn't apply until March 1 as stated in the order. Take your pick!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john ianson Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Do the new financial rules apply to ALL retirement visa extensions or only to the four embassies who ceased issuing income letters ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, john ianson said: Do the new financial rules apply to ALL retirement visa extensions or only to the four embassies who ceased issuing income letters ? Good question. The new rules about 800K bank account applications apply to all. The new rules about required monthly import are only about income based applications for people that can't get embassy letters. Combo method for people that can't get embassy letters is not mentioned at all in orders or memos, so those expecting to do that need to be warned that based on what we know now, there is an excellent chance of rejection. How people are supposed to make plans in this kind of unclear chaotic environment is beyond me. Edited February 6, 2019 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 I think it is now quite clear nobody has a grasp of the whole picture least of all IO's at grass roots levels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Thailand said: I think it is now quite clear nobody has a grasp of the whole picture least of all IO's at grass roots levels. I'm going to go with nobody … period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, john ianson said: Do the new financial rules apply to ALL retirement visa extensions or only to the four embassies who ceased issuing income letters ? If you can get a letter use it. There has been a new acceptable income method you can use, or an Embassy letter. Also 1st March changes to using 800k in a bank account method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexomike Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 58 minutes ago, mojaco said: In Chiang Rai today when I did my "800,00 in the bank" annual extension for retirement, they are using the new rules as effective today already. I have to keep 800,000 Baht in the bank for three months from today, and 400,000 thereafter. My extension wasn't due until March 3, so I extended early. So how do you prove the mone is still in the bank? Do you have to go back to immigration with another letter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, flexomike said: So how do you prove the mone is still in the bank? Do you have to go back to immigration with another letter? Based on what we have seen in the last few days there would be little point in asking the IO's as they will have no idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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