Aussie teacher details horrific conditions inside Thai detention

[Khaeng Mak]

4 hours ago, colinneil said:

After reading the story in the link, i had a good laugh, and call him a cry baby, wanting media attention.

 

Only allowed 40cm width to sleep, same as normal prisons here, no toilet paper, what did he expect?

Thais dont use toilet paper like farangs do, most of them never use it to wipe their backsides.

Food only bones, no meat, same as other prisons here, plenty of rice and a bowl of gruel, normal in prisons here.

Girlfriend overheard guards speaking BS, she would never have been allowed inside.

No medical help again BS, whilst i was in Buriram prison ( in a cell with 104 ) a prisoner in my cell had a problem in the night, he was taken out for him to get treatment, ( what treatment how good ) i dont know.

He was here 2 years on tourist visas, of course he got lifted, he admits to working, so no wonder had problems.

No surprise guards were using "mun" when referring to prisoners.

 

I you speak reasonable Thai you would already know that.

 

It is very common for Thais to refer to farangs with mun also. More so if they think or know the individual does not speak any Thai.

 

Over the years I have heard many examples of a Thai referring to a farang as mun:

 

Bar Girls (more times than I can keep track of)

Police (dozens of times)

Judges

Business owners

Taxi drivers

Public transport commuters

 

I once had a young Thai female lawyer certify some documents for me. Her firm was recommended to me for the task at hand by my embassy. In the paragraph (written in English) that she include with her signature to certify the document she actually referred to me (in writing) as "it".

 

When I saw what she had done I screamed the place down, stormed into the managing partner's office, and did not stop my tantrum until building security was called.

Edited February 6, 2019 by Khaeng Mak

[kannot]

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Overstayers -- and beyond that even convicted criminals -- deserve to be treated humanely in any country, be provided sufficient and decent food and water while in custody, and some level of medical treatment when ill, etc etc.

 

Anything less is a violation of their human rights by those in charge.

But the govt just told  us they know all  about human rights?? with Mr Bahrani

[tingtong]

lesson for the teacher: dont break the law!

this isnt even university level course, common sense.

probably this 10 days taught him this lesson for the rest of his lifetime.

[fraggleRock]

I spent 8 days in Thai detention due to a passport problem (my passport was tampered with while I was asleep on a flight to Singapore who also detained me before deporting me back to Thailand) then I got deported to the UK, the experience was interesting for me - I had a fight (fisticuffs) with guards on the first night! --- funny as hell experience, something to tell the grand kids.. ???? -- Singapore ain't a great place to be in detention either.... 

[roo860]

2 hours ago, fraggleRock said:

I spent 8 days in Thai detention due to a passport problem (my passport was tampered with while I was asleep on a flight to Singapore who also detained me before deporting me back to Thailand) then I got deported to the UK, the experience was interesting for me - I had a fight (fisticuffs) with guards on the first night! --- funny as hell experience, something to tell the grand kids.. [emoji846] -- Singapore ain't a great place to be in detention either....

Did you win?

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, fraggleRock said:

I spent 8 days in Thai detention due to a passport problem (my passport was tampered with while I was asleep on a flight to Singapore who also detained me before deporting me back to Thailand) then I got deported to the UK, the experience was interesting for me - I had a fight (fisticuffs) with guards on the first night! --- funny as hell experience, something to tell the grand kids.. ???? -- Singapore ain't a great place to be in detention either....

 

In Thailand, were you held at the IDC on Soi Suan Plu, or at the airport temporary detention facility?

 

[fraggleRock]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

In Thailand, were you held at the IDC on Soi Suan Plu, or at the airport temporary detention facility?

 

DMK .... got my own cell after a few days also.... funny experience

[fraggleRock]

8 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Did you win?

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Got a new passport and returned from the UK, so I guess it was a win... if not expensive

[roo860]

I meant the fight!!!
[emoji16]

Got a new passport and returned from the UK, so I guess it was a win... if not expensive

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[Kinnock]

5 hours ago, colinneil said:

Good question mate, ex and me had a falling out, she attacked me with a knife ( still have the scar on my stomach).

I shoved her on her a++e to stop her having another go, and i got locked up.

So you were there because of poor judgement in choosing a partner. ???? 

 Thanks for sharing your experiences, helps to add balance to the report in the Australian news.

[fraggleRock]

20 minutes ago, roo860 said:

I meant the fight!!!

 

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Oh OK -- I'm from Scotland - we don't loose fights - all 3 of them backed off ... haha - plus I'm ex Royal Marine .... and more

[Khaeng Mak]

27 minutes ago, fraggleRock said:

Oh OK -- I'm from Scotland - we don't loose fights - all 3 of them backed off ... haha - plus I'm ex Royal Marine .... and more

Sigh...

[Thechook]

10 hours ago, colinneil said:

Well old hippy, you posted a sad emoji on my post, having been detained in a Thai prison, i am fully aware of the conditions.

This Aussie who  wouldnt provide his full name is full of s++t.

Please let us know if you have been inside a prison here, and if so what were the conditions like.

Well according to do gooders in Australia who are trying to get a convicted criminal and soccer player freed they are barbaric and absolutely horrific. Prisoners sleep on bare concrete floors that are covered in urine and excrement without room to move, they are cuffed and shackled 24/7, no fresh water, no medical attention and only afforded 2 small bowls of old rice per day.  

[overherebc]

9 hours ago, fraggleRock said:

DMK .... got my own cell after a few days also.... funny experience

DMK isn't IDC.

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post and the inflammatory replies have been removed. 

[Lucius verus]

The farang is upset for being called ..IT. ? How long has he lived here.  The only reason why Thais don't insult me anymore is because I've picked up the language. Thai girls insult the farang tourists, boyfriend or husbands daily..'.beua' is their favourite description of a middle aged farang. Hello fat buffalo or lazy dumb-arse.Farangs have no idea what she is saying

If farangs knew what these girls were saying they wouldn't marry them.

Edited February 7, 2019 by Lucius verus

[mickybangkok]

17 hours ago, colinneil said:

After reading the story in the link, i had a good laugh, and call him a cry baby, wanting media attention.

 

Only allowed 40cm width to sleep, same as normal prisons here, no toilet paper, what did he expect?

Thais dont use toilet paper like farangs do, most of them never use it to wipe their backsides.

Food only bones, no meat, same as other prisons here, plenty of rice and a bowl of gruel, normal in prisons here.

Girlfriend overheard guards speaking BS, she would never have been allowed inside.

No medical help again BS, whilst i was in Buriram prison ( in a cell with 104 ) a prisoner in my cell had a problem in the night, he was taken out for him to get treatment, ( what treatment how good ) i dont know.

He was here 2 years on tourist visas, of course he got lifted, he admits to working, so no wonder had problems.

Your talking nonsense pal

[colinneil]

11 minutes ago, mickybangkok said:

Your talking nonsense pal

What a stupid comment, you any experience in a Thai prison?

Probably not, you must be an Aussie who dont like people speaking the truth.

[soalbundy]

sounds like A and E in England

[freedomnow]

I guess the Aussie guy blabbed to next door owner about what he was doing.

 

What happened to 'just a cash penalty'/no jail time anymore recent changes to working without a permit ?

That above precedent could have implications for all those populating the nomad cafes in 2019... namely that he was engaging in work to overseas via web and not working with Thais locally as that is the supposed breach they can escale things to next level.

 

What he is doing is similar to the work online scene that got raided in Chiang Mai couple of years back, when they interviewed all the foreigners as to what they had been doing online at the point of the raid

- they were all let go.

 

And again same as that 'teach Chinese students English online company in Chiang Mai that was raided working out of a riverside hotel

- again all let go doing same as above guy to the letter almost.

 

 

[overherebc]

9 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

I guess the Aussie guy blabbed to next door owner about what he was doing.

 

What happened to 'just a cash penalty'/no jail time anymore recent changes to working without a permit ?

That above precedent could have implications for all those populating the nomad cafes in 2019... namely that he was engaging in work to overseas via web and not working with Thais locally as that is the supposed breach they can escale things to next level.

 

What he is doing is similar to the work online scene that got raided in Chiang Mai couple of years back, when they interviewed all the foreigners as to what they had been doing online at the point of the raid

- they were all let go.

 

And again same as that 'teach Chinese students English online company in Chiang Mai that was raided working out of a riverside hotel

- again all let go doing same as above guy to the letter almost.

 

 

I'm guessing but perhaps a touch of overstay thrown in.

[kannot]

56 minutes ago, Lucius verus said:

The farang is upset for being called ..IT. ? How long has he lived here.  The only reason why Thais don't insult me anymore is because I've picked up the language. Thai girls insult the farang tourists, boyfriend or husbands daily..'.beua' is their favourite description of a middle aged farang. Hello fat buffalo or lazy dumb-arse.Farangs have no idea what she is saying

If farangs knew what these girls were saying they wouldn't marry them.

sounds like you know some right belters

 

[freedomnow]

3 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I'm guessing but perhaps a touch of overstay thrown in.

OK, did not pick up on that.

Brainless these days to overstay in the current climate of raids from BJ's foot soldiers.

[LivinLOS]

18 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Overstayers -- and beyond that even convicted criminals -- deserve to be treated humanely in any country, be provided sufficient and decent food and water while in custody, and some level of medical treatment when ill, etc etc.

 

Anything less is a violation of their human rights by those in charge.

He wasnt an overstayer.. 

 

He was one of these folks who claim working online and being paid outside Thailand is just fine.. 

Quote

 

The Australian teacher had been living in Thailand for three years, two of those on a tourist visa.

He said in the last year he was teaching English to Chinese students online through an Australian company, and said he was told this was fine because no money was exchanged through Thailand.

 

 

[overherebc]

2 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

OK, did not pick up on that.

Brainless these days to overstay in the current climate of raids from BJ's foot soldiers.

I didn't read all of the OP so as I say I'm guessing.

[LivinLOS]

8 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I'm guessing but perhaps a touch of overstay thrown in.

if he was on overstay they would have picked him up on the first visit.. 

 

They dont come and check people on overstay, then walk off and leave you.. They considered his online work and decided to come back and get him 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

He wasnt an overstayer.. 

 

He was one of these folks who claim working online and being paid outside Thailand is just fine.. 

 

 

I didn't say he was an overstayer. But I probably should have said more clearly... people sent to IDC for whatever reason, and even convicted criminals in prison, deserve to be treated with basic human rights and protections.

 

[freedomnow]

Well then this is a precedent for the (much hated on TV) nomads, if he was detained on the basis of working online with people outside Thailand.

I see western guys in my local cafe obviously doing same as him - SEO/coders etc per my baristas divulgence. It is almost like a hub for the scene.

 

No hate for them, just an observation that they are doing the same.

Edited February 7, 2019 by freedomnow

[wildewillie89]

46 minutes ago, colinneil said:

What a stupid comment, you any experience in a Thai prison?

Probably not, you must be an Aussie who dont like people speaking the truth.

What is the truth? What you have said is YOUR experience in ONE prison. Just ONE, yes? I am assuming you were there for an extremely small amount of time also. That is not sufficient experience to comment on the 'truth' of the entirety of the Thai prison system. There are factors why each individual prison is different, and sometimes those factors can be magnified in Thailand due to lax accountability. We have already seen someone with a completely different experience to what you have put out there just in this thread. You would be incredibly ignorant to think you understand every prison in the country from your 'experience'. 

What has being an Aussie got to do with anything? Just because the story was about an Australian, so anyone who disagrees with you must be an 'Aussie'??? Now that is a 'stupid comment'. 

[seancbk]

18 hours ago, Lungstib said:

Considering there has been no court case and no-one has been found guilty of anything (yet), detention should not resemble punishment. Holding a person is sufficient. Thailand has this awful problem as seeing immigrants and refugees as people deserving punishment rather than assistance.

 

I think the issue is more one of Thailand not being able, nor perhaps wanting to, spend any money beyond the absolute minimum on their detention facilities.   If they had the budget to build and operate a facility on par with what we would expect in the West then the probably would.

But look at how little money they spend on their Police stations, the furnishings and fit out of those places is terrible.  Look at the type of quality of their police vehicles, again rubbish compared to a well funded modern Police force.