Clock Ticking On Junta Party’s PM Offer To Prayuth

[BuckBee]

Somebody not very happy, who wouldn't sign the current constitution before amendments, who validates the senates and has veto power .

While somebody happy with military dictatorship disguised as democracy they may not be fully happy with all who running it .
Bit of a power ranking struggle going on right at the top of the main players .

[greeneking]

but above involvement in politics...........

what to do? what to do?

And if there is an election and a new parliament when will the new building be ready?

[BuckBee]

in reality quite involved in politics and has preferences and personal agenda  ...

[carstenp]

Thai Riot Police Put on Alert as Coup Rumors Spread

By Todd Ruiz and Pravit Rojanaphruk

PHICHIT — Riot police were ordered to mobilize and prepare to defend important facilities Saturday in the central province of Phichit, according to a leaked order from the provincial governor marked urgent.

There was no further information on why the order was issued or whether it went out in other provinces. It gave no further details other than to say it was “due to urgent government matters.”

Provincial police chief Maj. Gen. Thawatchai Muannara confirmed the order was genuine Sunday, but said it was just a normal peacekeeping order, particularly in the period leading up to elections slated for March 24.

 

Earlier Sunday, a column of armored personnel carriers was spotted heading north of Bangkok toward Lopburi province, which the army said was in preparation of the annual Cobra Gold joint military exercises with the United States and other military allies.

As it prepares for its first election after five years of military rule, Thailand entered a new phase of political uncertainty Friday following the surprise entry of a former princess into politics.

The unprecedented candidacy of Ubolratana Mahidol for the job of prime minister proved short-lived; His Majesty the King effectively ended it hours later with a royal command asserting it was unconstitutional and inappropriate.

By Sunday night, rumors were spreading on social media of a possible military coup. The last coup in May 2014 was led by current junta leader Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha, who is also prime minister.

“Strange,” wrote Thammasat academic Virot Ali, referencing the current mood of anxiety.

#Coup was a top trending hashtag late Sunday night.

The timing of any such action would be awkward, with the military set to begin joint exercises with the US armed forces and partner nations this week as part of an annual event known as Cobra Gold.

“Stop the vicious cycle! Stop coups! Enough! We want elections!” wrote Facebook user Waaddao Chumaporn shortly before 10pm Sunday.

“I hope the rumor about a coup isn’t true. I believe the electoral process can solve all problems. Only if we believe in the people,” Future Forward Party candidate Rangsiman Rome wrote on Facebook at 10:20pm on Sunday night.

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[humbug]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

True, and Thaksin is one of those Sino-Thais.  He worked with the army to get his concessions and monopolies at the time. I remember when he gave the head of the junta in 1991-2, General Sunthorn Kongsompong (father of the current Army chief), a Daimler. "I could not have this day without Big Jod," he remarked.

you do realize this is 2019 and the chinese origin thais you speak of have backed 2 coups against democracy and freedom against the man you keep mentoning, but you seem to be in PR mode and look to use quotes from 20 years ago to spread misinformation. That is a tactic that has seen countries cyber teams being banished on twitter. We all know that on this site its easy with use by only email. Or maybe you think by looking back on this site for 12 years some of the pro-yellow shirts were protected by their moderator friends. Well i think the mask is off for all of you now. Good luck with your yellow shirt propaganda

[humbug]

6 hours ago, newcomer71 said:

Though you are absolutely right, there is total imbalance.
Who on the other side has been caught, will be not allowed to run.

While on the Junta side, well never mind... 

That's why I reiterate, I can't see anything good coming for Thais in the foreseeable future.

 just look at the 8 billion dollar income for 4g contracts the junta earned or the billions of dollars in rail networks and eec contracts, as well organizing a 100 billion dollar annual budget for this land. Just look at what was uncovered in malaysia with the involvement of the chinese state in the corruption of billions of dollars of state funds. When you have a runaway train which has gained traction over 150 years which has morphed into a junta/business/beauracracy elite backed by the chinese state, it will always be unfair to the 50 million thais. Thats why freedom and democracy are threats to the gangs wealth and power. The last 5 years have seen extraordinary gains of weslth for all the major billionaire backers of the junta and of course the junta have been enjoying their share.

 

[bannork]

2 hours ago, humbug said:

you do realize this is 2019 and the chinese origin thais you speak of have backed 2 coups against democracy and freedom against the man you keep mentoning, but you seem to be in PR mode and look to use quotes from 20 years ago to spread misinformation. That is a tactic that has seen countries cyber teams being banished on twitter. We all know that on this site its easy with use by only email. Or maybe you think by looking back on this site for 12 years some of the pro-yellow shirts were protected by their moderator friends. Well i think the mask is off for all of you now. Good luck with your yellow shirt propaganda

No misinformation in my post. Simply pointing out Thaksin is no different to other rich business men in having no qualms about sharing the spoils with the military.

[bannork]

5 hours ago, greeneking said:

but above involvement in politics...........

what to do? what to do?

And if there is an election and a new parliament when will the new building be ready?

At least 18 months I believe. Until then they will have to rent a large building.

[bannork]

Just now, humbug said:

 just look at the 8 billion dollar income for 4g contracts the junta earned or the billions of dollars in rail networks and eec contracts, as well organizing a 100 billion dollar annual budget for this land. Just look at what was uncovered in malaysia with the involvement of the chinese state in the corruption of billions of dollars of state funds. When you have a runaway train which has gained traction over 150 years which has morphed into a junta/business/beauracracy elite backed by the chinese state, it will always be unfair to the 50 million thais. Thats why freedom and democracy are threats to the gangs wealth and power. The last 5 years have seen extraordinary gains of weslth for all the major billionaire backers of the junta and of course the junta have been enjoying their share.

 

Undoubtedly one reason the junta fear an election and victory to the anti junta forces is 'check bin' time. Exposure of the contracts signed and extended between the state and private sector with no open bidding or specifications skewed in favour of the pre-selected bidder.

[JAG]

15 hours ago, Eligius said:

Yes. To my amazement, the press (abroad) are not saying a word about Mr. P.'s role in this - about his behaviour on that day. His behaviour and decision to stand AFTER THE BOMBSHELL HAD BEEN DROPPED are the key to the whole thing.

I think Thaksin has fallen into a cleverly laid trap. He was sincere in his intentions - but the junta had an even more cunning plan in place.

 

And just when we thought they were all complete cretins ...!

 

 

Maybe, just maybe, the events of the last 4 days have served to flush some things out into the open. 

 

Maybe, just maybe, that was the point. 

[JAG]

13 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Or maybe he wanted to make somebody show their hand and reveal how they are being manipulated. Seems even the upper echelons have puppet masters

Certainly a gap has been opened up in the smokescreen carefully laid to conceal how he election was to be "managed". 

 

Maybe that was the whole point, and if Thai Raksa Chart goes down, we'll it will have done the job it was created for... 

[robblok]

11 hours ago, newcomer71 said:

Though you are absolutely right, there is total imbalance.
Who on the other side has been caught, will be not allowed to run.

While on the Junta side, well never mind... 

That's why I reiterate, I can't see anything good coming for Thais in the foreseeable future.

Yes the imbalance is bad I totally agree with that I just don't agree with criminals getting off without punishment when they are found out because other criminals are not convicted. 

 

I really wish it was more even handed, i just don't see a benefit of wanting everyone NOT to be prosecuted until law is equally upheld. It would only account for more corruption and chaos. So I keep being in favor of punishing those that are convicted, however I fully agree it should be far more even handed. Its an absolute disgrace and perversion of justice that some people like Prawit are untouchable. 

 

Unfortunately I don't see that changing any time soon.

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, JAG said:

Maybe that was the whole point, and if Thai Raksa Chart goes down, we'll it will have done the job it was created for... 

Really couldn't see what election law was broken that constitute an illegal act for dissolving the party. The nomination was controversial but was it unconstitutional. Lots of talks about the act being against the spirit of the constitution but without clear definition, it's really open for interpretation. If the party was to be dissolved, it should show that the EC is not independent and the junta is pulling strings to influence the decision. 

[robblok]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

No misinformation in my post. Simply pointing out Thaksin is no different to other rich business men in having no qualms about sharing the spoils with the military.

Agreed they are all the same no moral superiority all in it for the money. The red supporters still not see it but expect those that had other convictions change their view while theirs side while the reds keep to the idea that their side is different. While in reality (and we seen this by all the shifting alliances) they don't care who or what they support as long as they have a place at the gravy train. 

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Really couldn't see what election law was broken that constitute an illegal act for dissolving the party. The nomination was controversial but was it unconstitutional. Lots of talks about the act being against the spirit of the constitution but without clear definition, it's really open for interpretation. If the party was to be dissolved, it should show that the EC is not independent and the junta is pulling strings to influence the decision. 

That is your opinion, they brought royalty into politics a big no no. (anyone thinking that she would not be treated as royalty is crazy). Anyway I don't get it people on the red side hate it that Prayut can't be attacked (and rightly so) and now they wan't a PM who is as untouchable because of her lineal and they applaud it. Guess its good when its in your favor but bad when it goes against you. Seems bias to me. 

 

They thought they could win, but unfortunately for them the other side is still more powerful and smarter. Epic fail of Thaksin not a mythic strategist as many think he is. Still a shocking play keeps things interesting. Maybe something good will come out of this.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

18 minutes ago, robblok said:

That is your opinion, they brought royalty into politics a big no no. (anyone thinking that she would not be treated as royalty is crazy). Anyway I don't get it people on the red side hate it that Prayut can't be attacked (and rightly so) and now they wan't a PM who is as untouchable because of her lineal and they applaud it. Guess its good when its in your favor but bad when it goes against you. Seems bias to me. 

 

They thought they could win, but unfortunately for them the other side is still more powerful and smarter. Epic fail of Thaksin not a mythic strategist as many think he is. Still a shocking play keeps things interesting. Maybe something good will come out of this.

 

 

Stick to what I posted and spare me your discursive personal opinion. You just good at diverting any topic and ramble on. Not falling to that and bowing to your eccentricity.

[robblok]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Stick to what I posted and spare me your discursive personal opinion. You just good at diverting any topic and ramble on. Not falling to that and bowing to your eccentricity.

Whatever eric, i know you will never say bad things about your hero. Your as bias as they come. Anyway they brought royalty into politics. That is real bad one goes against the spirit of the law for sure. Now experts have to decide who is right. Guess what your NOT an expert even though you like to pretend to be one. I am also no expert on Thai law. So i let it be handled by those who are.

 

Interesting times. 

[wildewillie89]

34 minutes ago, robblok said:

That is your opinion, they brought royalty into politics a big no no. (anyone thinking that she would not be treated as royalty is crazy). Anyway I don't get it people on the red side hate it that Prayut can't be attacked (and rightly so) and now they wan't a PM who is as untouchable because of her lineal and they applaud it. Guess its good when its in your favor but bad when it goes against you. Seems bias to me. 

 

They thought they could win, but unfortunately for them the other side is still more powerful and smarter. Epic fail of Thaksin not a mythic strategist as many think he is. Still a shocking play keeps things interesting. Maybe something good will come out of this.

 

 

I don't think Thaksin did think they could win. I think he saw the writing on the wall, had no real options so made things interesting for a while. Stir up the pot. At least got people talking about their side of politics/free advertising and the fact there are actually some other possible 'legitimate' runners in the country other than Prayuth. Which will help in future elections, as he sees this one as a bit of a write off. Yes, causing a bit of extra conflict within the country - but we all know none of them have morals if they can get things their way. 

Thaksin was aware of what would happen. Any expat with any sort of half decent Army connection was even aware what was happening before the speech came out late evening putting a stop to it all, so it would be absolutely mind boggling to think that Taksin wasn't all over it. 

I agree with the hypocrisy/bias point though. 

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

I don't think Thaksin did think they could win. I think he saw the writing on the wall, had no real options so made things interesting for a while. Stir up the pot. At least got people talking about their side of politics/free advertising and the fact there are actually some other possible 'legitimate' runners in the country other than Prayuth. Which will help in future elections, as he sees this one as a bit of a write off. Yes, causing a bit of extra conflict within the country - but we all know none of them have morals if they can get things their way. 

Thaksin was aware of what would happen. Any expat with any sort of half decent Army connection was even aware what was happening before the speech came out late evening putting a stop to it all, so it would be absolutely mind boggling to think that Taksin wasn't all over it. 

I agree with the hypocrisy/bias point though. 

Maybe your right that he just wanted to stir the pot, I still think the guy like many Thai politicians and junta members is arrogant and thought he would get away with it. We have seen his mindset in the past.

 

Anyway glad you agree about the bias point as anyone who looks at this fairly would do. Its bad if someone can't be attacked and criticised no matter what side they are on. 

 

It did make things interesting, i do think this might have been in the planning for a long time (can't be sure) because 2 parties were set up. Obviously they could now make a gamble and not risk it all. So it might have been thought up long ago. Could also be a coincidence of course.  no way of really knowing.

[humbug]

58 minutes ago, robblok said:

Agreed they are all the same no moral superiority all in it for the money. The red supporters still not see it but expect those that had other convictions change their view while theirs side while the reds keep to the idea that their side is different. While in reality (and we seen this by all the shifting alliances) they don't care who or what they support as long as they have a place at the gravy train. 

you been seeing things through yellow goggles as you keep posting thousands of posts from the anti freedom side, actually there has always been a strong whiff of the cyber team we see on twitter banned in your posts, something that is starting to show on how strongly you feel about friday, the mask is starting to unveil not just the rigged elections but how media and social media had been manipulated 

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, humbug said:

you been seeing things through yellow goggles as you keep posting thousands of posts from the anti freedom side, actually there has always been a strong whiff of the cyber team we see on twitter banned in your posts, something that is starting to show on how strongly you feel about friday, the mask is starting to unveil not just the rigged elections but how media and social media had been manipulated 

Ah yes accuse a member of many years to be a troll of a cyber team. Smart move if you don't have evidence attack the messenger.

 

I don't see things through yellow goggles I see them through reality. The reality is that they are all corrupt and all want to be in power to steal. The idea that they are in it for the people is just crazy. I have no love for the junta and no love for Thaksin. That seems to confuse the hell out of the resident red shirts. They seem to have a black / white mindset. 

 

I have no idea how the election is rigged besides the shameful senator thing (would a supporter of yellow not be in favor of the senator thing I am not). Ad to that the advantage of Prayut of being in power and not allowing him to criticise is sickening. What do you want from me.. praising Thaksin to show I am anti junta ?

[humbug]

4 hours ago, bannork said:

No misinformation in my post. Simply pointing out Thaksin is no different to other rich business men in having no qualms about sharing the spoils with the military.

no need to back pedal, we can all see the game on here by a few of the 'PR' team and the re-inforcement of most posts to include a certain somebody. Its been 80 years of this regime in green taking it in turns to be major players in the running of the country, controlling banks, media companies, land, and making sure everyone else cuts them a share, its been even more startling the last 5 years, not just the billions being washed overseas using the chinese international finance operations(eg.Malaysia) but the huge increase in wealth for their business partners, who have sky-rocketed up in more billions of worth. 

 

At least that is something we can agree on, the huge corrupt nature of this regime.But i dont agree on your idea of a coming together of parties as the only way.As a civilian revolution will have the best chance to completely reduce the men in green into a towing the line entity.

[GarryP]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Really couldn't see what election law was broken that constitute an illegal act for dissolving the party. The nomination was controversial but was it unconstitutional. Lots of talks about the act being against the spirit of the constitution but without clear definition, it's really open for interpretation. If the party was to be dissolved, it should show that the EC is not independent and the junta is pulling strings to influence the decision. 

I agree with you. As she was officially a commoner, what was unconstitutional about her appointment. No reason to dissolve the party. But the party seriously screwed itself by only appointing one candidate. 

 

Interesting times ahead. 

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, GarryP said:

I agree with you. As she was officially a commoner, what was unconstitutional about her appointment. No reason to dissolve the party. But the party seriously screwed itself by only appointing one candidate. 

 

Interesting times ahead. 

Garry, be honest do you think she would be treated as a commoner or not ? That is the question if she would be and open to all the attacks that come with it then there would be no problem. However I doubt that would have been the case. 

 

Do you really wan't to trade one PM that cannot be criticised by an other that cannot be criticised ?

 

Anyway my point is invalid if you think she would be treated as a commoner. Personally in my opinion that would not be the case. Especially given that even now she is a commoner it was reported she still did royal work. 

[Eligius]

5 minutes ago, GarryP said:

I agree with you. As she was officially a commoner, what was unconstitutional about her appointment. No reason to dissolve the party. But the party seriously screwed itself by only appointing one candidate. 

 

Interesting times ahead. 

I have read - but don't know if it is true - that the party still has the right and the time until Friday to put forward another candidate. I doubt that they will do this, however. I think that party has been too officially 'disgraced' (in the power-elites' minds - not mine) for it to continue into the 'election' (sorry - selection!).

[wildewillie89]

I think where the commoner argument got blurred was that she was still using tax payers money for body guards, for travel, for everything and was also attending events under a title (whether official or not), rather than purely as a commoner. 

[humbug]

2 hours ago, JAG said:

Maybe, just maybe, the events of the last 4 days have served to flush some things out into the open. 

 

Maybe, just maybe, that was the point. 

thats what i see, they knew the elections were going to be rigged, they knew they could use an excuse to terminate pro-freedom parties from running even before last week, they knew the media has been tightly controlled the last 5 years. I am sure they knew the reaction from the other side from dissolution,to not being nominated,to tanks threatening. It just exposes the lies of the last 5 years to those 50 million to see clearly the old dinosaurs in green

[robblok]

Just now, Eligius said:

I have read - but don't know if it is true - that the party still has the right and the time until Friday to put forward another candidate. I doubt that they will do this, however. I think that party has been too officially 'disgraced' (in the power-elites' minds - not mine) for it to continue into the 'election' (sorry - selection!).

It does not really matter, the PTP has setup 2 parties so they could lose one party. The red shirts won't be happy they were already complaining they did not have good positions in that party and now it has been crippled intentionally by a gamble of Thaksin. 

 

But in reality it won't matter people know that the this party was just a sister party of the PTP, people can just vote PTP again. So they did not lose much.

[GarryP]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

Garry, be honest do you think she would be treated as a commoner or not ? That is the question if she would be and open to all the attacks that come with it then there would be no problem. However I doubt that would have been the case. 

 

Do you really wan't to trade one PM that cannot be criticised by an other that cannot be criticised ?

 

Anyway my point is invalid if you think she would be treated as a commoner. Personally in my opinion that would not be the case. Especially given that even now she is a commoner it was reported she still did royal work. 

Not the point. Simply talking on the issue of constitutionality and point of law.  What has that party done wrong in the eyes of the law?  

[robblok]

10 minutes ago, GarryP said:

Not the point. Simply talking on the issue of constitutionality and point of law.  What has that party done wrong in the eyes of the law?  

They violated the spirit of the law. Maybe you know the term, its common in The Netherlands that the spirit of the law is important too. Maybe not so in Thailand not sure how it works here.

 

Just look it is also applied in the US (spirit of the law) 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law

 

"Law" originally referred to legislative statute, but in the idiom may refer to any kind of rule. Intentionally following the letter of the law but not the spirit may be accomplished through exploiting technicalities, loopholes, and ambiguous language.