Anyone doing non-o parent extensions?

[Kenny202]

Did my first 12 month extension last year based on being parent of a Thai. Was a major headache worst thing finding 3 Thais in my moo baan to pose for photos, come to immigration for an interview etc.

 

Is anyone else doing this visa? I know for marriage visas you only need to drag these three witnesses up to immigration the first year / application...or so I am told. And this could vary from office to office but is it likely I will have to do this again next year and every year?

 

All the paperwork etc I can deal with but I hate asking other people to get involved. As it turned out I initially had 3 people. Then only one would come to my house for photos...and 2 came to immigration for the interview. Still Immigration accepted it

 

 

 

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[Odin Norway]

Thanks Kenny for starting this one. I have heard its easier to get a new one instead of extending. I need multi-entry so the best way is to get a new one in Savannakhet or something like that.No proof of income needed. Only the papers from the court if the kid is born outside marriage.I need to do mine in April. I'm sure others have input.No need to mix in married and retired into this. Some of us do live alone ????

[Rc2702]

I have done two non o 90 day visas/eos at vientiane and extended them 60 days both times. No proof of income etc required no witness's just documents.

 

Got em both with no issues at all. Both based on having child here. Had the funds for a 1 year in place for over 2 years but never done a 1 year yet. 

 

Doing my next one in April hopefully by then the rules and interpretations and forum feedback will provide safe passage.

 

 

 

 

[Kenny202]

38 minutes ago, Odin Norway said:

Thanks Kenny for starting this one. I have heard its easier to get a new one instead of extending. I need multi-entry so the best way is to get a new one in Savannakhet or something like that.No proof of income needed. Only the papers from the court if the kid is born outside marriage.I need to do mine in April. I'm sure others have input.No need to mix in married and retire into this. Some of us do live alone ????

I am talking about 12 month extensions from Thai immigration. I believe the only one you can get from Savannakhet or Vientianne (no proof of funds) are single entry 3 month visa based on being the parent of a child. A further 2 months extension is given from Thai immigration giving 5 months total then you go out and start again. If the yearly extension from Thai imm is the hassle it was last year I may even do this myself. Apparently Savannakhet will issue 12 month marriage visas with no proof of income but no one seems to know or can confirm if they with do a 12 month child visa no income required. 

[Kenny202]

28 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

I have done two non o 90 day visas/eos at vientiane and extended them 60 days both times. No proof of income etc required no witness's just documents.

 

Got em both with no issues at all. Both based on having child here. Had the funds for a 1 year in place for over 2 years but never done a 1 year yet. 

 

Doing my next one in April hopefully by then the rules and interpretations and forum feedback will provide safe passage.

 

 

 

 

I believe the non o 90 day visa you only require birth certificate, mothers ID and Tabien Baan child is registered in. I believe both the mothers ID and Tabien Baan are supposed to be signed by the mother which may be a problem for me as I am estranged from my sons mother and he has lived with me nearly from birth. I have copies of both but not signed. Do you remember if you needed to do this?

[Rc2702]

15 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I believe the non o 90 day visa you only require birth certificate, mothers ID and Tabien Baan child is registered in. I believe both the mothers ID and Tabien Baan are supposed to be signed by the mother which may be a problem for me as I am estranged from my sons mother and he has lived with me nearly from birth. I have copies of both but not signed. Do you remember if you needed to do this?

Certain they were signed and 90% sure they need to be signed. If I was you I'd just sign them on her behalf it's not like she is contesting your parental responsibilities and if it makes life easier for you then I can't see how it's going to be an issue. The BC now needs to be a actual one and not a copy this change came into play on the last 8 weeks I believe. 

 

 

[Kenny202]

Certain they were signed and 90% sure they need to be signed. If I was you I'd just sign them on her behalf it's not like she is contesting your parental responsibilities and if it makes life easier for you then I can't see how it's going to be an issue. The BC now needs to be a actual one and not a copy this change came into play on the last 8 weeks I believe. 
 
 

Yeah I guess. I sent them an email and they actually replied in english. I explained the situation and they said not worry about signing but that was only one person. Cud be a different story rocking up there. Yeah I got his original BC

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[Rc2702]

1 minute ago, Kenny202 said:

Yeah I guess. I sent them an email and they actually replied in english. I explained the situation and they said not worry about signing but that was only one person. Cud be a different story rocking up there. Yeah I got his original BC

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My point is your always gonna need those docs and yes there could be someone wanting to follow the letter of the law or just wishing to make life difficult. I done an extension last month locally and a new process was implemented which we never had at that office before. It would of been fine if they simply said we changed our system but they auto rejected it without the explanation which is just frustrating and we had to prompt them for answers which they did not like providing. They did eventually and the next day we got it but the B.S. way of getting answers is just very frustrating.

[Kenny202]

10 hours ago, Rc2702 said:

My point is your always gonna need those docs and yes there could be someone wanting to follow the letter of the law or just wishing to make life difficult. I done an extension last month locally and a new process was implemented which we never had at that office before. It would of been fine if they simply said we changed our system but they auto rejected it without the explanation which is just frustrating and we had to prompt them for answers which they did not like providing. They did eventually and the next day we got it but the B.S. way of getting answers is just very frustrating.

I hear you. It seems to be the culture here particularly at govt offices or even with my missus sometimes. We might be questioning something for genuine reasons as we want to understand, and they seem to somehow see this as a challenge to their authority or that you are doubting them....then they get defensive and the whole thing becomes a smarty pants competition and hard to pull things back to reality from there. I think usually when they fob a Thai off with some crap answer ie go away and let me get back to Facebook, the Thais, particularly if they see themselves as lower standing than the officer generally back off and submit without questioning anything. May I ask what the new process is?

 

I assume you are doing the 3 month parent visa with 2 month extension. PM me if you wish 

[Odin Norway]

Why bother with a 3 months extension of stay when you can get a 1yr new visa instead on the same terms. As a parent

[Kenny202]

Why bother with a 3 months extension of stay when you can get a 1yr new visa instead on the same terms. As a parent

Well the three month visa with a 2 month extension requires no funds in the bank and very little paperwork. Travelling to Laos and back twice a year for me no problem. The money I save in money sitting around idle in the bank for 3 months will pay for my trip and I avoid all the hassle of obtaining the yearly one.

What sort of visa are you on? Im currently on the 12 month parent extension obtained from Thai immigration. It was very stressful to obtain. Open to any suggestions

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[Odin Norway]

34 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

Well the three month visa with a 2 month extension requires no funds in the bank and very little paperwork. Travelling to Laos and back twice a year for me no problem. The money I save in money sitting around idle in the bank for 3 months will pay for my trip and I avoid all the hassle of obtaining the yearly one.

What sort of visa are you on? Im currently on the 12 month parent extension obtained from Thai immigration. It was very stressful to obtain. Open to any suggestions

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I am on a 1yr visa. Multi entry is all that work for me traveling in and out all the time working offshore. Not an extension. I have read in here that you get a 1 year in Savannakhet without any proof of income. All you need of papers is the BC and the papers from the court if the kid is born outside marriage. I am pretty sure UdonJoe said this at some point. Im, sure he can correct me if I am wrong?. Income can also be proved, but why bother if it's not needed.

[JackThompson]

6 minutes ago, Odin Norway said:

I am on a 1yr visa. Multi entry is all that work for me traveling in and out all the time working offshore. Not an extension. I have read in here that you get a 1 year in Savannakhet without any proof of income. All you need of papers is the BC and the papers from the court if the kid is born outside marriage. I am pretty sure UdonJoe said this at some point. Im, sure he can correct me if I am wrong?. Income can also be proved, but why bother if it's not needed.

I've read, several times, that the only embassy in the region who will issue a 1-year ME Non-O based on a Thai child is Penang (maybe KL), but showing the money.  Sometimes they were reported only to give you the ME version on your 2nd application. 

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, Odin Norway said:

All you need of papers is the BC and the papers from the court if the kid is born outside marriage. I am pretty sure UdonJoe said this at some point. Im, sure he can correct me if I am wrong?.

At one time Savannakhet would do them if the applicant, the child and mother was at the consulate to do the application to prove a de facto marriage they would accept it but that stopped more than few years ago. Now even with documents proving you are the legal father of your child they will only do a single entry non-o visa.

[Odin Norway]

17 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

I've read, several times, that the only embassy in the region who will issue a 1-year ME Non-O based on a Thai child is Penang (maybe KL), but showing the money.  Sometimes they were reported only to give you the ME version on your 2nd application. 

Sounds like I am going to Penang then.If this info is more valid.I am not with the mother so I am doing this all alone. Trusted info is very much appreciated. Thanks, UBJ

Maybe even go to Vientienne for  3 months if they do a multi-entry there. Thanks all for clarify

[Kenny202]

52 minutes ago, Odin Norway said:

I am on a 1yr visa. Multi entry is all that work for me traveling in and out all the time working offshore. Not an extension. I have read in here that you get a 1 year in Savannakhet without any proof of income. All you need of papers is the BC and the papers from the court if the kid is born outside marriage. I am pretty sure UdonJoe said this at some point. Im, sure he can correct me if I am wrong?. Income can also be proved, but why bother if it's not needed.

I think you're getting mixed up with a marriage visa which you can obtain easily apparently from Savannakhet with no funds in the bank. I had assumed they would issue a parent visa too but apparently they don't. have a look at this other thread I started where Ubon Joe answered all of my many questions...

I don't really see any benefit going to Penang. You still need the money in the bank although not seasoned. Maybe you avoid all the hassle and paperwork and the 1 month wait. If you are not legally married to the mother you realise that you are not legally the child's father, even if your name is on the birth certificate? I had to get myself legitimised through the courts which was doable but still a hassle. Once you have the document from the judge this needs to be registered at the Amphur to complete the process. If you wish to obtain a one year extension based on being the parent of a Thai from Thai immigration they want to see that you are married to the mother or a legitimisation order from the court. A birth certificate wont cut it.

 

Ubon Joe can clear this up but one of the benefits of you going to Penang if you are not the legal father may be that they only require a birth certificate. Pretty sure that is the case. I believe also even if you are or were to married to the mother, your legitimacy stops when you marriage ceases. Should she marry again her new husband becomes the legal father. I could be wrong on this point. In any case its all ridiculous

[ubonjoe]

12 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I believe also even if you are or were to married to the mother, your legitimacy stops when you marriage ceases. Should she marry again her new husband becomes the legal father. I could be wrong on this point. In any case its all ridiculous

You will remain the legal father your child after divorce since you were married when the child was born. It is not tied to still being married.

If she gets married again her husband would not be the legal parent of your child.

[Kenny202]

You will remain the legal father your child after divorce since you were married when the child was born. It is not tied to still being married.
If she gets married again her husband would not be the legal parent of your child.

What would you say the benefits of going to Penang are Joe? Do you need the 400k in the bank for 3 months prior? Does it need to be in a thai bank or money in Australian bank ok?

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[ubonjoe]

14 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

What would you say the benefits of going to Penang are Joe? Do you need the 400k in the bank for 3 months prior? Does it need to be in a thai bank or money in Australian bank ok?

You would have a multiple entry non-o visa so all you would have to is a border hop every 90 days or 5 months if you get the 60 day extension.

No 3 months in the bank is needed. They accept it being in any bank or you can also how proof of income.

[Odin Norway]

28 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I think you're getting mixed up with a marriage visa which you can obtain easily apparently from Savannakhet with no funds in the bank. I had assumed they would issue a parent visa too but apparently they don't. have a look at this other thread I started where Ubon Joe answered all of my many questions...

I don't really see any benefit going to Penang. You still need the money in the bank although not seasoned. Maybe you avoid all the hassle and paperwork and the 1 month wait. If you are not legally married to the mother you realise that you are not legally the child's father, even if your name is on the birth certificate? I had to get myself legitimised through the courts which was doable but still a hassle. Once you have the document from the judge this needs to be registered at the Amphur to complete the process. If you wish to obtain a one year extension based on being the parent of a Thai from Thai immigration they want to see that you are married to the mother or a legitimisation order from the court. A birth certificate wont cut it.

 

Ubon Joe can clear this up but one of the benefits of you going to Penang if you are not the legal father may be that they only require a birth certificate. Pretty sure that is the case. I believe also even if you are or were to married to the mother, your legitimacy stops when you marriage ceases. Should she marry again her new husband becomes the legal father. I could be wrong on this point. In any case its all ridiculous

Penang will give you a 1-year multi-entry. Laos will only give you 3 months. Big difference in traveling all the time. And I do have the court papers done. The kid is in my house-book and all that.No question who the father is. In my case, I got mine last year from my own country. Non O multi-entry. I just try to avoid going there for a new one. Only BC needed and a bank-statement back home.I am sure I can play their game if I know what the rules are up front.

[Kenny202]

Well it looks like I will be doing the one year extension again from Thailand. Mrs rang immigration today and they said no need to bring other people from the moo ban and all that rigmorol again. They say they only require other parties to vouch for me the first year. Still a lot of paperwork etc but I can live with that. Mind you not 100% convinced yet, when I did the 12 month parent extension last year another officer told me I would have to bring people every year. Mind you she was continually trying to convince me to stay on retirement.

 

Couple of things Joe....

I thought I had read that going for the 12 month parent extension you only needed the 400k in the bank the day of application which would make this visa very attractive to some if they had kids. Khon Kaen were insisting on money in the bank for 2 months before application.

 

What are the reports from people doing consecutive marriage or parent extensions? I know a lot of blokes saying with marriage visas they only have to take people from their village the first years application for extension, after that it's a lot easier albeit the tons of paperwork. Is that the norm or are all offices different?

 

Felt like an idiot last year going off the retirement extension to a parent extension. Was such a hassle. I did it mainly thinking it would add weight to my future application for sole custody. In hindsight best thing I could have done with all the new retirement conditions

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

19 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I thought I had read that going for the 12 month parent extension you only needed the 400k in the bank the day of application which would make this visa very attractive to some if they had kids. Khon Kaen were insisting on money in the bank for 2 months before application.

There no amount of the time written in the police order for an application based upon being the parent of a Thai but many offices want it to be in the bank for 2 months. I think they may think it is an omission in the order since one for marriage in the same clause of the order says 2 months.

19 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

What are the reports from people doing consecutive marriage or parent extensions? I know a lot of blokes saying with marriage visas they only have to take people from their village the first years application for extension, after that it's a lot easier albeit the tons of paperwork. Is that the norm or are all offices different?

I varies from office to office. I think the majority only want them for the first extension. Some do home visits instead of wanting witnesses.

[Kenny202]

On 2/12/2019 at 2:06 PM, ubonjoe said:

At one time Savannakhet would do them if the applicant, the child and mother was at the consulate to do the application to prove a de facto marriage they would accept it but that stopped more than few years ago. Now even with documents proving you are the legal father of your child they will only do a single entry non-o visa.

Just considering what to do this year, extension time August. Currently on a 12 month extension of an OA visa for parent of a Thai child as previously mentioned in the thread.

 

Not only will I have to bring 400k across at a horrible current exchange rate but looks like I may need to take out medical insurance as well. Am I reading this right or are we still not sure of mandatory medical insurance for first time OA visa applications in home country or will apply to extensions of OA visas too?

 

So my other 2 choices are.....

 

1) Get the 3 month parental visa from Savanahket or Vientiene and extend a further 2 months....No money in the bank required and easy paperwork

 

2) Get a single entry 12 month O parental visa from Laos.

 

Just to clarify 2) 

is there much paperwork required for the single entry O visa from Laos?

Ie as difficult as getting the 12 month parental extension here?

I have legit papers, orig birth certificate, Tabien Baan, ID etc

Is it done on the spot or is there a 1 month waiting period same as parental extension here

 

I understand I need to show 400k THB in the bank but can it be in an Australian bank or money needs to be in Thailand? 

 

What would be your advice Ubon Joe?

 

 

[ubonjoe]

56 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

Not only will I have to bring 400k across at a horrible current exchange rate but looks like I may need to take out medical insurance as well. Am I reading this right or are we still not sure of mandatory medical insurance for first time OA visa applications in home country or will apply to extensions of OA visas too?

Your OA visa expired long ago and is no longer relevant to your current extension of stay. It only gave you a non immigrant visa entry that allows you to extend that entry based upon being the parent of a Thai.

Visas are not extended only your permit to stay is extended.

Only if you were to return to your home country to a apply for a new OA long stay visa would you have to meet the insurance requirements.

[Kenny202]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

Your OA visa expired long ago and is no longer relevant to your current extension of stay. It only gave you a non immigrant visa entry that allows you to extend that entry based upon being the parent of a Thai.

Visas are not extended only your permit to stay is extended.

Only if you were to return to your home country to a apply for a new OA long stay visa would you have to meet the insurance requirements.

What about the 12 month ME parental visa from Laos Joe. I know you need funds in the bank but can the funds be in an Australia bank or do they have to be in Thailand? It is a ME visa right where you have to leave and return every 3 months?

 

Is there much paperwork required over and above BC, Legitimacy papers, TB etc?

[ubonjoe]

5 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

What about the 12 month ME parental visa from Laos Joe. I know you need funds in the bank but can the funds be in an Australia bank or do they have to be in Thailand? It is a ME visa right where you have to leave and return every 3 months?

You will not get multiple entry non-o visa based upon being the parent of a Thai in Laos. I think I have told you that previously.

You can get one at the consulate in Penang by showing 400k baht in a bank. No need for it to be in a Thai bank. 

You have to leave every 90 days to get new entry with a multiple entry visa.