How politicians think they can fight corruption

 

 

Politicians taking part in the Thai PBS election forum on how they hope to tackle corruption problem on Tuesday night

 

Politicians competing in the March-24 general election agree that corruption is a scourge that is undermining the Thai society and dealing with it will be one of their priorities if they come to power after the poll.

 

However, they admitted that corruption has become part of the Thai people’s way of life and that the public has a crucial role to play in putting a stop to it as much as politicians. They were speaking at a forum organized by Thai PBS on Tuesday night for representatives from political parties to offer their platforms in fighting corruption.

 

Chumpol Krootkaew of the newly-formed Klang Party said it is everybody’s responsibility to tackle the problem of corruption. “Social norm needs to be against all types of corruption, even minor ones,” Chumpol said, adding that the problem can be solved only when people acknowledge its existence and demonstrate determination to deal with it.

 

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1 hour ago, webfact said:

However, they admitted that corruption has become part of the Thai people’s way of life and that the public has a crucial role to play in putting a stop to it as much as politicians.

To eradicate corruption, you have to start at the top.

Once the ones at the top (politicians, public officials, police etc.) are SEVERELY punished, it is only then that those below might no longer see it as a good idea.

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Chumpol said, adding that the problem can be solved only when people acknowledge its existence and demonstrate determination to deal with it.

first the 'people' must be educated on the costs of corruption and how it affects them

2 hours ago, webfact said:

How politicians think they can fight corruption

Here we go again! Every election they urinate into the wind and it comes back to soak them every time!

I suppose the best place to start is maybe with the graft committee and their dubious decisions ???? 

It works as well like the tree-shaped air freshener they hang on their bicycle handlebar. 

 

I thought they were going to say "by resigning"

With those stupid remarks,they obviously just showed up for the seafood buffet.

41 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Here we go again! Every election they urinate into the wind and it comes back to soak them every time!

Nothing wrong with water sports, but you usually have to pay extra for that. 

11 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

I thought they were going to say "by resigning"

it's all part of the very long Gravy train. 

Make a bit of noise, then sit back down and enjoy the ride.

Choo Choo, woo woo, all aboard.

 

2 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

To eradicate corruption, you have to start at the top.

Once the ones at the top (politicians, public officials, police etc.) are SEVERELY punished, it is only then that those below might no longer see it as a good idea.

Absolutely . . . well said, T. For these stooges to suggest that it's down to the 'people' and 'the public' to be addressing this scourge, shows just how far off the mark these so-called politicians are with their thinking.

25 minutes ago, stanleycoin said:

Nothing wrong with water sports, but you usually have to pay extra for that. 

Not when it's self inflicted!

Every country has corruption to a greater or lesser degree. All say they want to fight corruption, yet it persists. Best thing is to learn to live with it, expose it when you can, and wait for the next manifestation. Bleak outlook huh? 

When the corrupt pledge to tackle corruption, such pledges inevitably lead nowhere.

3 hours ago, webfact said:

the public has a crucial role to play in putting a stop to it as much as politicians.

Except the politicians frame harsh laws making libel/slander punishable by death even when telling the truth.

28 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

Not when it's self inflicted!

perhaps thats the true definition of a piss head then. 

I remember being in Hong Kong and seeing an advert on TV for a hotline number to report corruption. That would be a good start here if it wasn't for the draconian defamation laws. 

 

Most Thais I speak to don't really understand what corruption is or how it's bad. "Corruption" here is just a buzzword for something that's supposed to be bad but people don't know why.

 

Educate students at school about why corruption is a cancer so a real social stigma will be attached to it. Don't worship people who you know can't legitimately buy that big house or Mercedes - report them and ostracize them. 

 

Of course, when there's corruption at every level, the people who can change these things are the very ones who benefit the most from corruption. And with no real law and order, and laws and rules made up and interpreted on the whim of some 'hiso' goon, things won't change in our lifetime. 

4 hours ago, webfact said:

How politicians think they can fight corruption

by telling the people they have to fight it...

thai govt offices reek of corruption, you want to open a new mine you have to pay millions in graft to get the license even though the company has done everything by the book, you want to export you have to pay a percentage of your profit to the customs people or they dont give approval to leave port, you want  to drive your trucks to somewhere else you have to pay the police or they make up BS claims of overloading. You want a govt dept to do anything you have to wine and dine them first and put money in to their party funds, it just goes on and on, just look at the contracts the govt gives out and see how much graft is involved, 30% plus, this is why everyone wants a govt job, they know they can make money through graft. To eliminate corruption they need to start in govt offices, better book keeping and more open so it cant be hidden, very harsh penalties such as big jail time and seizure of all the family assets so when if the perpetrator is locked up his family lose everything as well, open lines to report it but many are too scared they will be black balled by the govt if they do report corruption. Many thai people see graft/corruption as a normal way of life, it is that well entrenched I doubt we will ever see an end to it.

Edited March 7, 20197 yr by seajae

Oj oj they have a long long way to go, they must start with next generation kids !!!!!

None of the parties seem eager to fight the endemic corruption. Maybe none so bold or each still harbour thoughts of feasting off the trough. A good start for fighting corruption will be a formation of a commission like the Hong Kong's ICAC (Independent Commission against Corruption) in 1974 or Singapore's CPIB (Corruption Practices Investigation Bureau) in 1952 which were specifically tasked to eradicate corruption and were totally independent with special powers and only report to the PM. Alas all these parties seem to be paying only lip service.  

 

 

 

They could tell you, but it's going to cost you a brown envelope.

Edited March 7, 20197 yr by DrTuner

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

..were specifically tasked to eradicate corruption and were totally independent with special powers and only report to the PM.

With a usurper as PM that's a no-go from the start.

9 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

With a usurper as PM that's a no-go from the start.

You absolutely right. The PM that I am referring will have to be himself or herself corruption free, strong will to fight corruption, good ethics and off course elected. Will Thailand get a Lee Kuan Yew. Maybe, maybe not. 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

and that the public has a crucial role to play in putting a stop to it as much as politicians.

 

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Chumpol Krootkaew of the newly-formed Klang Party said it is everybody’s responsibility to tackle the problem of corruption. “Social norm needs to be against all types of corruption, even minor ones,” Chumpol said, adding that the problem can be solved only when people acknowledge its existence and demonstrate determination to deal with it.

Meaningless words from mindless morons who don't really understand that this corruption starts at the top and is endemic right the way through to the local BIB............don't believe me, then see what happens to a local business or bar when the monthly "tea-money payments" stop; and I have personally seen it happen.

 

Not only that, when you've got the little general with a personal fortune which way exceeds that which he could accumulate via his salary, or his deputy who suggests that his multi-million baht watch collection was lent to him by friends, then the task is seemingly hopeless.

 

A Thai Lee Kuan Yew is unlikely to appear here when corruption is recognised, lauded and practised from an early age thereby ruling out anyone coming to power with an unbiased/clean mind on this subject.

Edited March 7, 20197 yr by xylophone

3 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Here we go again! Every election they urinate into the wind and it comes back to soak them every time!

 BUt it feel so warm...

5 hours ago, webfact said:

How politicians think they can fight corruption

Well, with Counter corruption of course

6 hours ago, webfact said:

How politicians think they can fight corruption

Start by cleaning up the poop in their own backyards and then expand from there.

Speaker of the house in Australia used tax payer money to take helicopter joy ride. Let alone all the stuff we don't hear about.

If Australia can't stop it then I don't think Thailand can because humans will be human. We need robots now.

The best way is to leave corruption alone and those that are good at it will be ok.

Much like capatilism really.

51 minutes ago, xylophone said:

A Thai Lee Kuan Yew is unlikely to appear here when corruption is recognised, lauded and practised from an early age thereby ruling out anyone coming to power with an unbiased/clean mind on this subject.

Also because of this:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew

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After attending the London School of Economics, Lee graduated from Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge, with double starred-first-class honours in law.

 

Abhisit had same sort of credentials and was already seen as "not Thai enough". To get a homegrown LKY they'd need to fix the education system first .. multiple generations if ever. They're screwed.