Why is there so much anger in Thailand?

[AlexRich]

4 minutes ago, pr9spk said:

Precisely. The issue is not about the UK, it's about having such a basic level of education that you know where countries are, and can understand that Thailand is neither the only country in the world nor is it the centre of the universe.

 

If I took a globe to my neighbours in the UK and said "where is Brazil?", I know 100% they could point it out. In Thailand, there is a very, very slim chance someone would be able to get it right.

 

I don't understand why some posters are trying to tie in your comment with the "angry Thai" subject? It had nothing to do with that, it was about people being unaware of where on the map other countries are. It's not just Thailand, some people live quite happily all their lives with no interest or curiosity about anything more than a 20km radius from their home. I'm here for a fraction of time and I want to see as many interesting places as possible in this world before I leave it ... I suspect most TV aficionados are a great deal more adventurous than the average person in their respective countries ... except of course those that are here exclusively for sex and beer.

 

 

 

[SteveK]

It's because useful discussions often veer off-course. We've moved from angry Thais beating and murdering each other, and committing crimes, to comparing this conception to Western countries, and realising that even though Thailand, like any country still has crime, it's unlikely to be as bad as some Western countries and very unlikely to involve you as a guest.

 

But the concept that Buddhists, and Thai people in general, withhold negative emotions until it has reached a certain boiling point, in which they are explosively released, is the key to this ideas of this thread.

 

Edited March 7, 2019 by pr9spk

[Nsp64]

1 hour ago, pr9spk said:

It's because useful discussions often veer off-course. We've moved from angry Thais beating and murdering each other, and committing crimes, to comparing this conception to Western countries, and realising that even though Thailand, like any country still has crime, it's unlikely to be as bad as some Western countries and very unlikely to involve you as a guest.

 

But the concept that Buddhists, and Thai people in general, withhold negative emotions until it has reached a certain boiling point, in which they are explosively released, is the key to this ideas of this thread.

 

Defended yourself with aplomb there old chap

[A1Str8]

Because they are forced to be polite from an early age. That means, they suppress their emotions, never express them. Anybody that does it is a ticking bomb. It keeps building and building, next thing you know, cops are called to investigate a murder.
And everybody says, oh but he was such a nice person, why did he do it? People are taught to be nice, but all the years of holding back is an accident waiting to happen.

[Enoon]

 

"Thailand is supposed to be the land of smiles, of peaceful Buddhists."

 

Who "supposed" it to be so?

 

The Tourist Authority of Thailand?

 

Childish delusion to believe (and expect Thailand to live up to) what is nothing more than a myth repeatedly propagated in tourist advertising campaigns.

 

Because that is not what it, or any of the other surrounding "Buddhist" countries, is, ever was, ever were,

 

The region is steeped in the blood of centuries.

 

 

[ta158]

1 hour ago, pr9spk said:

It's because useful discussions often veer off-course. We've moved from angry Thais beating and murdering each other, and committing crimes, to comparing this conception to Western countries, and realising that even though Thailand, like any country still has crime, it's unlikely to be as bad as some Western countries and very unlikely to involve you as a guest.

 

But the concept that Buddhists, and Thai people in general, withhold negative emotions until it has reached a certain boiling point, in which they are explosively released, is the key to this ideas of this thread.

 

did you not hear about the indian tourist who got killed by stray bullets from an ak47 and 3 other tourists injured? or the drunk off duty cop who shot and killed a french man?, the brithish millionaire and his thai wife killed by hitman for only 50,000 baht? and the american who got stabbed to death this week or last week, nothing in english news ofc.

 

is that why majority of European countries har around 0.5 - 1.5 in murder rate while thailand has 4 - 6 in murder rate per 100,000 people.

and gun murder rate in European countries 0.04 - 1 gun murders per 100,000 people while thailand has 4.45 gun murders per 100,000 people.

[Nsp64]

42 minutes ago, Enoon said:

 

"Thailand is supposed to be the land of smiles, of peaceful Buddhists."

 

Who "supposed" it to be so?

 

The Tourist Authority of Thailand?

 

Childish delusion to believe (and expect Thailand to live up to) what is nothing more than a myth repeatedly propagated in tourist advertising campaigns.

 

Because that is not what it, or any of the other surrounding "Buddhist" countries, is, ever was, ever were,

 

The region is steeped in the blood of centuries.

 

 

But it does seem a few expat living here still buy into the myth

[DaRoadrunner]

7 hours ago, ballpoint said:

It sure is violent. 70 million Thais get bashed on this forum about every 5 minutes.

 

7 hours ago, brokenbone said:

not violent, but tedious as hell

If Thai behaviour were not so bad no one would bash em.

[Curt1591]

I think the anger, from displaying the "mai pen rai" attitude, expected from everyone, builds up after a while. At some point, they just snap and react over the top. .

[Bangkok Barry]

7 hours ago, ta158 said:

ah the good old numbeo that ranks cities and countries based on feelings rather than actuall crime statistics, anyone can go in and change the rate.

 

https://www.thelocal.se/20170117/how-one-swede-made-a-city-the-worlds-most-dangerous-to-expose-fake-stats

 

 

8 hours ago, Benroon said:

1) Again for the hard of thinking if you are going to make up unsubstantiated claims you need to make comparisons to put it into perspective - I did that for you and proved you are talking <deleted>

 

2) Wikipedia 

 

3) London is in the middle of a murder epidemic. 131 in 2018 and over 40,000 violent knife injuries. You're aware of this right ? A murder approximately every 2.5 days !! But that's 'not so bad' right ? and road rage isn't endemic in the UK ? Seriously ?

 

However here are comparisons for levels of general crime between 'not so bad' London and lawless Bangkok

 

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=London&country2=Thailand&city2=Bangkok

 

Again your opening post was just embarrassing

 

Again, this is a thread about Thailand on a Thai-centric forum. What happens in London or elsewhere is irrelevant. And, again, I don't see many of the acts there that I raised about Thailand, such as motorists attacking other motorists with guns and baseball bats and machetes, and spurned males taking out the former love of their life and her family, although I'm sure there might a few. You very conveniently ignored that inconvenient truth.

[melvinmelvin]

6 hours ago, Nsp64 said:

I think the poster used UK as an example because he's probably  British. 

It could be any country really.

yes, guess it could, geography is not a Thai strength

 

[Bangkok Barry]

8 hours ago, Benroon said:

Again for the hard of thinking if you are going to make up unsubstantiated claims

 

The only claim I made was that there is a lot of anger in Thailand, and that fact is substantiated in every newspaper in Thailand and on this forum every day. Again, I am sorry that you find it difficult to comprehend plain English. It must sometimes make life difficult and confusing for you.

[Bangkok Barry]

7 hours ago, Benroon said:

An absurd opening post was made based on absolutely nothing and presented as fact.

 

If you read this forum then you very obviously must be aware of the daily killings and assaults. I wonder why you are in denial and refer to those incidents as 'nothing'. 

[Bangkok Barry]

6 hours ago, pr9spk said:

most of the crime seems to be Thai on Thai

 

That was what my post was about. My question was why is there so much of it, so much intolerance and anger directed against other Thais which we read of every day on this forum. I made no mention of foreigners at all.

[Bangkok Barry]

7 hours ago, BestB said:

Thai culture is the reason . Taught from childhood to conceal your feelings and hide anger .

 

eventually too much bottles up and then explodes.

 

on top of that I also think pure stupidity not being able to think of the consequences, nor ability to accept responsibility.

 

I'd agree 100 per cent.

[BobbyL]

It is similar the world over, however I do sense here more and more that there are people who have a hatred and attitude towards foreigners that I perhaps didn't notice when I first came in 2010. 

[wreckingcountry]

I wanna find a beautiful remote island or hilltop and be removed from 21st century madness


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[wreckingcountry]

I didn’t get a chance to ask why but these two were definitely angry with each other today. A pretty lengthy hair pulling preceded a definitive two point body slam takedown which ended in a submission from exhaustion.

Someone screwed someones Guy!


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[Hank Gunn]

16 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

Shootings in Thailand more than in America?  Where did you get your figures.  Suggest you do research before making ignorant statements.  

 

Thailand's crime level is 36.46.....America 55.84.....which is 53 percent higher than Thailand!

 

America has...

4 X more rapes than Thailand....

21 X more Total crimes and 5 X more crimes per 1000.

4 X more violent crimes and murder rate than Thailand,

 

Check out this link if you want.  https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Thailand/United-States/Crime

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, sure you think is Thailand that is so bad and getting worse.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those are extremely dubious numbers you're using. Looking at that web site:

• Crime Level is based on a survey (they provide a link). So your first number is not based on real, actual crime rate but on a survey of people's opinions, NOT actual crime levels.
• Rapes: Rape numbers are highly dependent on the reporting of those crimes. The advantages that males in Thai society, and especially those at a higher socio-economic levels have is undisputed. To compare Thailand's crime reporting, policing, and the overall rule of law with that of the US is almost laughable.
• Total Crime: Again crime numbers are based on REPORTED crimes. (From that web site: "Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence". Again, if you know anything about policing and the rule of law (or the lack thereof) in Thailand, you'll know that most crimes are treated as financial settlements between two parties, with the the Thai police acting as paid go-betweens, with nary a criminal charge placed. According to that web site, Canada has almost double the crime rate as the US, the UK and NZ two and a half times more than the US and hell, even Switzerland has a higher crime rate than the US!
• Murder Rate: According to your source (https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate) the murder rate, defined as murders/100,000, is higher in Thailand than the US (5.9 vs. 5).

For my own part, I think there's a perception of more violence just because of the old journalism axiom, "If it bleeds, it leads." I also have a theory that since Thailand is in many ways, at least socially, still a feudal society, that people are constantly living in a suppressed (for lack of a better term) mode. They can't speak out too loudly or they could be sued for libel, even if what they say is true. They can't complain or buck corruption too much, because it is so endemic to the culture. So when something bad enough happens, it becomes a catalyst for Thais to break out of their "smiles" and react harshly emotionally. 

[Kwasaki]

18 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Why is it like this?

I'll add to as said already, same in other countries just look at London, Thailand is not alone.

Edited March 8, 2019 by Kwasaki

[Hank Gunn]

16 hours ago, mick220675 said:

I am from a rural area of the UK and now live in a rural area of Thailand. In the UK I saw fights normally involving drunk people, but not a lot of violence.

 

In the village I now live in over the last 15 years there has been;

 

1x murder

3x drink drive killings

3x house burglary (one my wife's shop).

2x Child rape (12 & 14 year old girls) Both girls were paid off.

 

There are weekly fights normally involving drunk people.

 

Despite the violence I have never felt in danger, even when the Cambodians were firing rockets at us. If I look at my old village in the UK it is safer than my Thai village, but I feel safe. Maybe its because I have a wall around the house with dogs and cameras. But I think the main thing is I do not go out once it is dark, I don't bother anyone and no one bothers me or my family.

 

 

My wife's niece was also raped by a village boy (up here in Isaan) when she was about 8. I don't think there was even a pay off, just a "stern talking to the parents" to reign in their psycho son. (Probably about as confrontational Thais will get before going full violent.)

But these two anecdotes show the lack of crime reporting in Thailand that I mentioned in my previous post, and how it seriously under represents the violence in this country.

[Bangkok Barry]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

I'll add to as said already, same in other countries just look at London, Thailand is not alone.

 

Where have you read of other road users in London being attacked with guns, baseball bats and machetes? And I never suggested that Thailand is alone. This is a forum about Thailand. What happens elsewhere is irrelevant to this thread.

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, YogaVeg said:

Utter rubbish. 98.6% of these statistics are complete nonsense ????

 

While I don't doubt that 90% of Marcus's anger comes from not being able to afford sex, I bet 90% of Americans have never/would never use prostitution services.

 

Well if 50% of americans are male, then at least 25% and probably more have engaged in pay for play of some sort ... and possibly more. That's why it's been around for so long.

 

 

[Kwasaki]

43 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Where have you read of other road users in London being attacked with guns, baseball bats and machetes? And I never suggested that Thailand is alone. This is a forum about Thailand. What happens elsewhere is irrelevant to this thread.

Well I don't think you should just single out Thailand don't be in deniled it don't happen elsewhere.

 

An armed motorist who murdered one car passenger and seriously wounded another in a "chilling" case of "road rage taken to its extremes", was jailed for life yesterday.

Lee Gardiner a father-of-one from Tottenham, north London, told his victims "I've got something nice for you" before gunning them down on Bank Holiday Monday in May last year.

He shot the first one in the face, fracturing his jaw, and then pumped two bullets into the head of a second man, killing him instantly.

 

London Police furious as zombie knife road rage attacker gets off with a suspended sentence after carrying an enormous blade on a busy south London road then launch the furious attack.

Judge let him walk free all because he was once bundled into a car, and threatened with a gun because of a drug related incident.

[HLover]

Because all events are categorized as 'news' (Durian daughter, ECT) and any moron with a mobile phone and FB account is now an on scene reporter to beam events to your wondering eyes and ears.

 

[bender92]

The media make the most of every little crime so that fools will keep reading it.

[HLover]

Just now, bender92 said:

The media make the most of every little crime so that fools will keep reading it.

..and the same fools amaze their fellow muppets by regurgitation of these events.

Fool #1: "Did you hear about the man attacked with a hammer?"

Muppet #1: "Yes, I get neat alerts on my phone of everything that is happening'

Welsh James: "Did you do your 90 day residency yet?"

Fool and Muppet: "No, we were too busy worrying about everyone else to take care of ourselves." (In unison)

Welsh James: *sighs and takes another pull of his beer* ????

[wreckingcountry]

 
Where have you read of other road users in London being attacked with guns, baseball bats and machetes? And I never suggested that Thailand is alone. This is a forum about Thailand. What happens elsewhere is irrelevant to this thread.

Absolutely !!! More unreported crime in Thailand than s civilised developed one!


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[RichardColeman]

20 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Just that. Why do we read over and over, every day, of road rage with guns, hammers, baseball bats; bus and taxi drivers fighting with other road users; vicious assaults often with groups kicking the head of people who are already down and helpless; spurned males killing their former girlfriend/wife/partner and often even her family; men and sometimes women throwing scalding water and making other assaults against small children; people exploding over the smallest thing.

Sorry,  thought this post was about modern day London  

[HLover]

9 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Sorry,  thought this post was about modern day London  

Perhaps it was written by someone who has forgotten the bliss of the motherland?