EU's Barnier makes last ditch Brexit offer, Britain 'not impressed'

[Mavideol]

55 minutes ago, vogie said:

I was stating what would happen, it is no secret that a no brexit would seriously harm the EU.

I think you are suggesting what you want to happen to the UK.

I could care less on what happen to the UK......the comment was to point out the one side opinionated minds of the brexiters

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I could care less on what happen to the UK......the comment was to point out the one side opinionated minds of the brexiters

There is more to a forum than attacking people en masse with different opinions to yourself.

But that is where we differ, brexiteers do care what happens to our country, that is why we want to leave the EU.

[welovesundaysatspace]

26 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You're all coming with us and you'll love it. Democracy in action - the will of the majority.

 

Will you be coming too, or are you just an interested observer with a passionate opinion?

I generally don’t join suicide cults, thank you. Please don’t send any more leaflets or show up uninvited in front of my door with your gospel singers. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[Krataiboy]

25 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Just let these fools exit without a deal and let them deal with the fallout. I don't see why the EU should waste time and resources on renegotiating. The EU will be just fine without the UK.

You need a reality check, as do all Remainers. The EU is far from "just fine" right now. They need our membership billions to bail out the superstate's "moribund" (an independent expert's words, not mine) economy.

 

The euro zone saw its lowest pace of growth in four years during the last three months of 2018 last year. More recently, manufacturing data have shown a slowdown in activity. This comes amid concerns over global growth, tariffs between the U.S and China, and weakness in emerging markets.

 

Under a banner headline ECB in panic mode? a CNBC report yesterday warned: “With few domestic catalysts for a turnaround, it may take a rebound in demand from the emerging world to improve prospects for the (euro zone) region,” Tilmann Galler, a global market strategist at J.P. Morgan Asset Management, said in a note Tuesday.

 

The ECB has slashed its growth forecast for 2019 to 1.1 percent from an earlier forecast of 1.7 percent made in December. The bank has also lowered its inflation forecasts for 2019. “I wonder if the ECB will ever increase rates in this economic cycle,” Christoph Schon, executive director at Axioma, told CNBC Friday, "given the prolonged moribund state of the economy".

 

Add to this gloomy scenario the frazzled condition of Spain, Greece and Portugal (An Express Train at Risk of Derailing, according to US News World Report); the teetering Italian banking system; and "powerhouse" Germany heading for its lowest growth rate in six years, and one begins to wonder what planet Remainers are living on. 

 

[Blue Muton]

52 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You're all coming with us and you'll love it. Democracy in action - the will of the majority.

 

Will you be coming too, or are you just an interested observer with a passionate opinion?

Stop trolling out the "Democracy" line, we all know that electoral fraud is not democratic.

[damascase]

50 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Why. It depends on when he was put into the position, what options he was to ask for, what the cabinet and the PM would expect and most importantly how well he was briefed/ backed up.

Ah, there is always somebody else to blame........ He was a cabinet minister, and as such should not accept insufficient briefing/backing. - if that was the case at all. That was HIS responsibility.

[damascase]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I am fine with people having the freedom to commit suicide. Just don’t take others with you. 

A similar view from a Dutch newspaper, De Volkskrant (posted earlier in another thread):

[Basil B]

5 hours ago, vogie said:

It is no good having a plan if Barnier doesn't show any interest in it and his sole objective is to make it as difficult as possible for the UK to leave. But you are correct, the remainers in government have certainly not helped, but ultimately the buck stops at Barniers door, and nobody elses.

So all we can do now is.

Plan the derail, derail the plan.????

What plan??? ????

[Nigel Garvie]

9 minutes ago, damascase said:

A similar view from a Dutch newspaper, De Volkskrant (posted earlier in another thread):

Sad that it takes a Dutch newspaper to point out the obvious, so often ignored in the UK, Murdoch (The anti-christ) takes pride of place among the flying pigs.

[RichardColeman]

8 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Leaving the EU without a transition plan in place is the epitome of 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'.

Hogwash - the problem is that the UK government have spent all the years arguing with each other rather than doing their elected job and trying to instigate 'their' majority remainer will over the Brexit 'populist' vote by deliberately coming up with ideas nobody can agree with.

 

 

 

 

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

 

The writing has been on the wall ever since the globalist oligarchy's errand boy Barack Obama jetted over to the UK in Air Force One shortly before the Referendum to tell us which way to vote - which happened to be the same way as our own government was urging: Remain.

 

The subsequent two-and-a-half half years of fruitless Brexit "negotiations" has been mere theatre, designed to sap the will of the majority who voted reclaim self-rule from the sclerotic superstate and its unelected Brussels mafia.

This is wonderful stuff from the Conspiracy Theory ward in the asylum.

"Globalist oligarchy's errand boy Barack Obama"

"Sclerotic superstate and its unelected Brussels mafia"

Surely you could have treated us to some more delights, I was having fun reading them. How about:

Big Pharma, The FBI Russian witch hunt, The Zionist banking conspiracy, The Middle Eastern terrorists hiding amongst the Mexican immigrants, The "Vaccines cause Autism" fraud Doctor, Global Warming conspiracy, 70 million Turks about to "Invade" the UK (Leaves no one in Turkey BTW), the Illuminati, Pizzagate, Flat Earther movement. Oh yes I nearly forgot...... the Anunnaki, a race of blood drinking shape shifting alien reptiles. 

Why stop at "Globalist oligarchy's errand boy" when you are onto a good thing?

[dunroaming]

6 hours ago, vogie said:

The UK are trying to find a solution, Barnier is the only person that can keep the process on track. So simply by saying "it's always somebody elses fault" you could have been more specific and said 'it's Barniers fault.' ????

 

 

Barnier hasn't changed his (the EU's) position at all.  Britain were never promised any sort of favourable deal by the EU.  Cameron made that clear before the election and the EU were upfront that any deal would leave the UK in a worse position than if it stayed in.  All this was stated before the referendum.  The EU have been consistent in it's position.  That position may be unfair and hard nosed but Britain can't say that they didn't know what that position was from the start.

 

 

[Loiner]

Stop trolling out the "Democracy" line, we all know that electoral fraud is not democratic.

The referendum was democratic and won by the Leave vote, even if you didn’t like it. No trolling there.
Where was your fraud?



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[dunroaming]

Whatever we think about Brexit, next week should bring some clarity as to where we are going to end up.  Pointing the finger with all the "It was their fault!" is getting tedious to say the least and isn't going to make any difference to where we end up.

 

For the UK this has been enormously embarrassing and damaging and nothing will change that.

[Krataiboy]

42 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

This is wonderful stuff from the Conspiracy Theory ward in the asylum.

"Globalist oligarchy's errand boy Barack Obama"

"Sclerotic superstate and its unelected Brussels mafia"

Surely you could have treated us to some more delights, I was having fun reading them. How about:

Big Pharma, The FBI Russian witch hunt, The Zionist banking conspiracy, The Middle Eastern terrorists hiding amongst the Mexican immigrants, The "Vaccines cause Autism" fraud Doctor, Global Warming conspiracy, 70 million Turks about to "Invade" the UK (Leaves no one in Turkey BTW), the Illuminati, Pizzagate, Flat Earther movement. Oh yes I nearly forgot...... the Anunnaki, a race of blood drinking shape shifting alien reptiles. 

Why stop at "Globalist oligarchy's errand boy" when you are onto a good thing?

Blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptiles? You must mean the European Commission who have been sucking us Brits dry for decades.

 

Brexit, were it to happen, would go down as the biggest anemia cure in history.

 

Oh, and since we are talking conspiracy theories, you must know that the phrase was dreamed up by the CIA half a century ago to discredit alternative explanations to the "lone killer" nonsense trotted out by official sources.

 

Now THAT'S what I call a conspiracy theory!

 

Pip! Pip!

Edited March 9, 2019 by Krataiboy

[Blue Muton]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

The referendum was democratic and won by the Leave vote, even if you didn’t like it. No trolling there.
Where was your fraud?



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Where was the fraud, seriously?

 

You really shouldn't be commenting on a subject if you're that far out of touch with it.

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

Where was the fraud, seriously?

 

You really shouldn't be commenting on a subject if you're that far out of touch with it.

Yes, seriously. Was it ballot stuffing, or rigging by miscounting? These would be serious allegations that the Electoral Commission should know about. I did hear some rumours about students double dipping with both home and Uni addresses being used. I also thought the government hid it rigged, but tell me more.  

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I generally don’t join suicide cults, thank you. Please don’t send any more leaflets or show up uninvited in front of my door with your gospel singers.

You're not going to just stand and watch are you? Safely from your own side of the Channel I suppose? Where are the Remainers' friends when they need you? You are such a part of the support team that you should join for the grande finale, and the after party too! 

[Ulic]

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because of course it couldn’t possibly be the fault of Brexiteers.

 

It’s always somebody else’s fault.

 

Brexiteers, failed to plan, planned to fail.

 

 

I don't see this issue as the fault of Brexiteers. The UK wants a full and equitable trade deal. All our products go to you tariff-free, and all your stuff can come to us tariff-free. That would be a free and equitable trade deal. This deal would stop the "worlds economy from slipping into recession". The EU wants extra cash, (taxation, without representation) and EU laws to supersede those of the UK, and for the UK to not be able to negotiate trade deals until the customs union is sorted. Any difficulties are because the EU wants free-trade, plus, plus, plus, sweeteners on its side, but it is the lack of free-trade trade agreement that will make things difficult. So I see this clearly as a problem created by the EU. 

[Blue Muton]

22 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Yes, seriously. Was it ballot stuffing, or rigging by miscounting? These would be serious allegations that the Electoral Commission should know about. I did hear some rumours about students double dipping with both home and Uni addresses being used. I also thought the government hid it rigged, but tell me more.  

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44856992

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-campaign-fraud-cheating-claims-nhs-remain-economic-crash-a8724641.html

 

 

 

 

[vogie]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Barnier hasn't changed his (the EU's) position at all.  Britain were never promised any sort of favourable deal by the EU.  Cameron made that clear before the election and the EU were upfront that any deal would leave the UK in a worse position than if it stayed in.  All this was stated before the referendum.  The EU have been consistent in it's position.  That position may be unfair and hard nosed but Britain can't say that they didn't know what that position was from the start.

 

 

The only problem I have with posts from remainers and eumainers is that it is all one sided, it is as if the UK has nothing to offer the EU. Both sides may be on the losing end of a no deal, but having said that many believe that it won't be the armageddon that project fear are predicting. If the EU doesn't want to negotiate in a grown up manner, that doesn't mean we have to take anything they throw at us. What has happened to our personal pride, if we can't sit down and talk like grown ups, lets walk away, good god, lets not do any more grovelling.

Most MPs voted to trigger art 50, which simply means leave the EU, lets get on with it, none of this, soft brexit, brino or halfway house brexit, let us just go.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

I could care less on what happen to the UK......the comment was to point out the one side opinionated minds of the brexiters

Which would be the same one side opinionated minds of the Remainers, less of course the insults from the Remainers.

[Loiner]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44856992
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-campaign-fraud-cheating-claims-nhs-remain-economic-crash-a8724641.html[/url

That old chestnut? I thought you meant something serious?
The result was still that Leave won.


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[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

You're not going to just stand and watch are you? Safely from your own side of the Channel I suppose? Where are the Remainers' friends when they need you? You are such a part of the support team that you should join for the grande finale, and the after party too! 

Why would I travel to the Channel to watch the circus? 

[Blue Muton]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

That old chestnut? I thought you meant something serious?
The result was still that Leave won.


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That just shows what democracy means to you, sweet F.A.

[Blue Muton]

35 minutes ago, vogie said:

The only problem I have with posts from remainers and eumainers is that it is all one sided, it is as if the UK has nothing to offer the EU. Both sides may be on the losing end of a no deal, but having said that many believe that it won't be the armageddon that project fear are predicting. If the EU doesn't want to negotiate in a grown up manner, that doesn't mean we have to take anything they throw at us. What has happened to our personal pride, if we can't sit down and talk like grown ups, lets walk away, good god, lets not do any more grovelling.

Most MPs voted to trigger art 50, which simply means leave the EU, lets get on with it, none of this, soft brexit, brino or halfway house brexit, let us just go.

"Project Fear".

 

That's the forty years of anti-EU propoganda inflicted on the UK by a few foreign (or foreign based) self-interested billionaires via their toys like the Express, Mail and Telegraph.

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

That old chestnut? I thought you meant something serious?
The result was still that Leave won.

Yes, it’s commonly known that fraudsters benefit from their fraud. It’s not so commonly known that commiting fraud is ok as long as it happened long ago. 

[Pedrogaz]

May needs to take a leaf out of Trump's book....no deal is better than a bad deal and what is on offer is a lousy deal and not because of the backstop....it is a very poor deal that is Brexit-in-name-only with Britain as a vassal of the EU.

[mercman24]

Germanys car industry will collapse within 6 months and they know it, that is why they have got the big bully fighting their corner, MAY was weak from day 1,

[dunroaming]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The only problem I have with posts from remainers and eumainers is that it is all one sided, it is as if the UK has nothing to offer the EU. Both sides may be on the losing end of a no deal, but having said that many believe that it won't be the armageddon that project fear are predicting. If the EU doesn't want to negotiate in a grown up manner, that doesn't mean we have to take anything they throw at us. What has happened to our personal pride, if we can't sit down and talk like grown ups, lets walk away, good god, lets not do any more grovelling.

Most MPs voted to trigger art 50, which simply means leave the EU, lets get on with it, none of this, soft brexit, brino or halfway house brexit, let us just go.

You and I are not as far apart as it seems some times.  If, when the referendum was called, people were told the truth (from both sides) about what Brexit would mean and then voted the way they did then none of this arguing and bitterness would exist.  If it was "This is what happens when we leave, vote yes or no".  That would have been a fair and honest way to do it.  No grovelling involved (which is humiliating) and nobody could complain at the result.

 

I understand your frustration, we are all frustrated, but just leaving with no deal is something that neither side will accept.  I am vehemently against May's deal even though for me personally it would be "reasonable" and I could operate my business in the UK without de-camping to mainland Europe.  But I think it is bad for Britain and leaves us as a vassal state.