Inside job: Developments in case of 91 year old man who had 5 million baht taken from bank account

 

Picture: Daily News

 

Daily News reported on the case of a 91 year old orchard land owner in Chumpon who had 5 million baht taken from one of his accounts. 

 

Thon Brahmjan from Tha Kham district had been to the bank, the police and government watchdog Damrongtham at the end of last year after 5 million baht went missing from an account he had jointly with one of his five sons. 

 

The bank were evasive saying they didn't know who took the money out. 

 

Damrongtham proved ineffective. 

 

Picture: Daily News

 

The police asked for more evidence after Thon's signature was found on a slip. 

 

Finally going to the media seems to have got a result for the man who says he went to a hospital to confirm that he has no dementia and has all his capabilities.

 

Daily News reported Sunday that a police source had told them that someone close to Thon had connived with the bank to remove the five million baht by forging the old man's signature. 

 

Sources: Daily News | Daily News

 

 

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Absolute scum. I can only hope the victim gets all money returned, with interest and compensation.

As for the perpetrators, should be at least 10 years jail as at least they'll definitely serve at least half

Maybe 1 less honourable son in the will next week 

You should always keep an eye on the banks here, check when you have made a transaction that its what you thought it was.

My wife paid in a deposit, sat down and looked at the balance, the deposit had been entered as a withdrawal! She got it corrected but what would have happened at the end of the day when there was an overage in the till when cashed up? What do you think...……….tacarsaw?

1 hour ago, webfact said:

after 5 million baht went missing from an account he had jointly with one of his five sons.

There is the suspect right in front of your noses. Now... who within the bank conspired with the son - either because of lazy carelessness or willfully - and accepted a forged signature on the payment slip, handing over the cash to a person who was evidently NOT the alleged signatory?

10 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

They'd steal the sugar out of your tea.

 

When it comes to Thai banking, that might be a bit of an exaggeration....

 

Well, on second thought, maybe not! 

40 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

They'd steal the sugar out of your tea.

Because they don't want you to poison yourself.

4 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

They'd steal the sugar out of your tea.

Damn, something else I'm gonna have to give up!

7 hours ago, z42 said:

Absolute scum. I can only hope the victim gets all money returned, with interest and compensation.

As for the perpetrators, should be at least 10 years jail as at least they'll definitely serve at least half

Perhaps the bank should be punished as well for not having checks in place to monitor employee activity?

 

Probably not easy but I'm sure a search across banks internationally would find a few interesting systems banks have fine tuned to be able to do this.

 

 

5 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

They'd steal the sugar out of your tea.

They can even  F up a cup of coffee here as well.

Isnt there another thread on here somewhere that some people say this never happens ??? How about it people who said it never happens ? Going to call me a thai basher again ? Mr Nxxxx any answer ?

6 hours ago, notagain said:

Isnt there another thread on here somewhere that some people say this never happens ??? How about it people who said it never happens ? Going to call me a thai basher again ? Mr Nxxxx any answer ?

 

Yep, there's a reliable, small group of Thai apologists for pretty much anything and everything under the sun... No matter how bad any particular subject is, they'll always be along to claim people are just unfairly criticizing the Thais or that similar things happen elsewhere and so on....

 

I keep waiting for the day that any of them will actually be truly offended by ANYTHING or SOMETHING that goes on here, because AFAICT, no matter how bad or egregious it gets, they're always disposed to give the locals a free pass.

 

Edited March 11, 20197 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

The bank said they didn't know who took the money. It's the bank's responsibility to ensure that only authorized persons can withdraw money from an account.

 

The bank should be fined big money for not fulfilling their fiduciary responsibility.

 

Any and every bank employee involved in the withdrawal should be fired and charged criminally with breach of trust in my opinion.

 

Edited March 11, 20197 yr by Banana7

The Bank are completely responsible for this if one of their employees was involved in the scam. So let's hope the old boy gets his hard earned money back. 

5 minutes ago, Banana7 said:

The bank said they didn't know who took the money. It's the bank's responsibility to ensure that only authorized persons can withdraw money from an account.

 

The bank should be fined big money for not fulfilling their fiduciary responsibility.

 

Once one discovers that there is another member of the family on the account, one's rage should be held in check so to speak.

Edited March 11, 20197 yr by SheungWan

Just now, SheungWan said:

Once one discovers that there is another members of the family on the account, one's rage should be held in check so to speak.

Even if the son was involved if he is not authorised to withdraw without his father's signature then the Bank are on the hook for this, as well as the son.

 

 

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

Even if the son was involved if he is not authorised to withdraw without his father's signature then the Bank are on the hook for this, as well as the son.

Well maybe. Who knows what the son(s) may have been up to.

Go back and review the camera for that day.

10 hours ago, scorecard said:

Perhaps the bank should be punished as well for not having checks in place to monitor employee activity?

 

Probably not easy but I'm sure a search across banks internationally would find a few interesting systems banks have fine tuned to be able to do this.

 

 

Surely the system they are able to electronically verify signatures?

What happened? 

Apparently a fraudulent withdrawal was made by someone, possibly a son,  occurred.  The bank honoured a withdrawal from an account based on a signature that matched the account holders signature.  What do you suggest they do?  Accept deposits and never return it? 

Stop blaming the banks and start blaming the perpetrator who committed the fraud. 

 

18 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

There is the suspect right in front of your noses. Now... who within the bank conspired with the son - either because of lazy carelessness or willfully - and accepted a forged signature on the payment slip, handing over the cash to a person who was evidently NOT the alleged signatory?

Conspired???  It was a joint account apparently. The son would possibly be quite within his rights to withdraw funds from the/ his account. 

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Surely the system they are able to electronically verify signatures?

Please explain to the uninformed howthat works? Electronic verification if a signature? Compare a photo?

Get real and stop watching so many movies.

28 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

What happened? 

Apparently a fraudulent withdrawal was made by someone, possibly a son,  occurred.  The bank honoured a withdrawal from an account based on a signature that matched the account holders signature.  What do you suggest they do?  Accept deposits and never return it? 

Stop blaming the banks and start blaming the perpetrator who committed the fraud. 

 

would they not have checked the id card as well.

5 hours ago, Banana7 said:

fiduciary

word of the day

6 minutes ago, steve187 said:

would they not have checked the id card as well.

Dunno.... Ask the bank.

With a joint account the ID may well have been valid. 

Edited March 12, 20197 yr by emptypockets

This whole thread is nonsense.  Anyone in a joint account can and do withdraw funds.Thats what a joint account is for. If you want control over your funds don't have a joint account. 

without an insider in the bank, they cannot do this.

They should be aware of the age of the account holder very well!

especially if someone wants to withdraw 5 million baht. bank has to pay.

On 3/11/2019 at 10:41 AM, webfact said:

Daily News reported Sunday that a police source had told them that someone close to Thon had connived with the bank to remove the five million baht by forging the old man's signature. 

 

To all the apologists posting above, re-read the OP article as I've quoted above here....

 

"connived with the bank to remove the five million baht by forging the old man's signature."

 

If the son or whomever had singular rights to access the funds himself, then forging the father's signature would not have been necessary.  So presumably, the son or whomever had to forge the father's signature in order to get to the funds, and someone at the bank went along with it.

 

Edited March 12, 20197 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

9 hours ago, emptypockets said:

This whole thread is nonsense.  Anyone in a joint account can and do withdraw funds.Thats what a joint account is for. If you want control over your funds don't have a joint account. 

You can have accounts that require both signatures. If what you claim were true there would not be any need to forge the old boy’s signature. So stop spouting nonsense.

In USA if I withdraw more than a thousand dollars at the counter, a supervisor must approve the transaction. They look every thing over and sign off on it. Proper government ID. ATM card PIN.

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