Britain in Brexit chaos - parliament crushes May's EU deal again

[Laughing Gravy]

5 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

It seems like, therefore, you cannot understand my POV. Read my post again. To make it easy for you, what PERSONAL benefits will YOU get out of the UK leaving the EU? As I said before, trade deals with the Falklands doesn't rock my boat. 

I understood your POV and found your very sarcastic Falklands jibe pitiful and very distasteful.

 

You also said you have not seen any comments on here which I mentioned there have been many with more than two threads having been closed.

 

I am a British Citizen and hold a British passport. Being out of the EU will benefit me. I have many other reasons but find your tone not one for sharing.

[sanemax]

Just now, Spidey said:

Very few.

Can you be more precise ?

1 ? 5 ? 20 ? 50 ? 100 ?

You tell me

[tomacht8]

"Those who suffer from bad policies, from failings of the ruling classes, are always those who are at the bottom of the pyramid, coz they are unable to transfer their funds abroad, relocate their headquarters abroad, or have one to apply for their children for a german passport!"

[Spidey]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Can you be more precise ?

1 ? 5 ? 20 ? 50 ? 100 ?

You tell me

If I tell you will you be my best friend forever? No, forget that, you've already shown your colours as a latent paedophile in another thread.

 

By their own calculation, around 70. It's not possible to give a precise number as they are not obliged to declare their membership. The group is known as the ERG (European Research Group) and is chaired by Moggy.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/erg-brexit-group-members-jacob-rees-mogg-explained/

[stephenterry]

51 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Yes.

 

It was obvious that the message on the side of the bus was pointing out that the uk was wasting a lot of money on an extra layer of corrupt bureaucracy via the eu.  Or at least it was obvious to me, personally.

 

I didn't vote in the referendum for various reasons, but as a result of the farce (mostly by brit. politicians) - if there is another referendum, I will vote - to leave.

I suggest that if there is a referendum, voting to leave would be on the back of May's deal only.

[brewsterbudgen]

10 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I understood your POV and found your very sarcastic Falklands jibe pitiful and very distasteful.

 

You also said you have not seen any comments on here which I mentioned there have been many with more than two threads having been closed.

 

I am a British Citizen and hold a British passport. Being out of the EU will benefit me. I have many other reasons but find your tone not one for sharing.

How can being out of the EU benefit you personally?  I'm British too, and so is my 4 year-old son, and leaving the EU (if it happens) will restrict our freedom of movement within the EU and certainly make it more difficult for my son to work there in the future.

 

Hopefully, common sense, as opposed to nationalism, will prevail, although I fear it may be too late.

[tomacht8]

35 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

There is a simple process to claim and that is if no-deal is voted down today, then Withdrawal Postponement Request will be voted in favour tomorrow. After that the EU may or may not agree to extend. Spin away.

The EU will only agree to an extension if there is a clear reason. That means new elections or a new referendum. If this decision does not happen within 2 weeks, the UK will only have 2 options: No Deal Brexit or Retire Art 50. The EU is also fed up with the UK politic circus. Only costs effort, money and time.

Edited March 13, 2019 by tomacht8

[stephenterry]

21 minutes ago, sanemax said:

A Big Blue passport , and the benefit is that I wont get mistaken for a foreigner anymore

A Big Blue passport that would be made in France by a French/Dutch company - if the UK leaves the EU. 

[Nigel Garvie]

 

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Without Honda, Nissan and Toyota and with the City financial institutions already moving to Luxembourg, UK will be lucky to make the top 10.

 

Perhaps Putin will take pity and annexe England.

 

56 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

He's not done a bad job of annexing the brains of some of our compatriots with his troll farms and disinformation campaigns. Reminds me of when Castro got rid of his criminals to the US in the 80s by framing it as refugees from Communism. 

 

41 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

These types of comments seriously annoy me.....

 

How on earth can anyone believe that Putin managed to brainwash more than 17m voters???

 

Perhaps a few youngsters are addicted to reading and believing everything they are told on FB etc. - but certainly not older voters!

I agree you certainly can't say that Putin's "Cyber warfare" affected 17m people. That they helped him achieve his aims (Unwittingly in the vast majority of cases) is beyond doubt though. You only need a small percentage to swing elections of course. 

My son studied for his physics MSc with a student who later became a leading light in Cambridge Analytica. After the election he boasted to all his acquaintances how CA won it for Brexit. Oh yes, and where did Aaron Bank's £8m come from, will we ever know? I guess the Tories are not gong to suggest that tax haven accounts can be inspected, it might start a terrible trend.

[sanemax]

Just now, stephenterry said:

A Big Blue passport that would be made in France by a French/Dutch company - if the UK leaves the EU. 

How are we supposed to go to France to get our passports , if we are applying for a new passport and we dont already have one?

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, stephenterry said:

I suggest that if there is a referendum, voting to leave would be on the back of May's deal only.

No other alternative.

 

For those who are still dazed and confused, here is the path forward:

 

Today: Vote to dismiss the option of a no deal Brexit. Overwhelmingly supported.

 

Tomorrow: Vote on whether to ask the EU to extend the deadline. A given as a "no" vote would default to a no deal Brexit.

 

The EU have said, "No more negotiations, finite, we're sick of it, put up or shut up, accept the deal which took 2 years to negotiate and was agreed by both parties or <deleted> off.

 

This is where the problem lies, the EU have stated that they will only agree to extend if we have a clear plan (555 that Junker is a card!). As there will be no more negotiations, the only plans are:

 

Revoke Article 50 and regain our sanity.

 

Call a general election, although personally I don't see that breaking the Brexit deadlock and I'd be surprised if the EU could see it either.

 

A second referendum, asking the Great British Public if they want to accept May's deal (the only deal on the table, now and forever) or remain. This would be the most acceptable option as Brexiteers and remainers both think that they would win a second referendum handsomely.

 

Bring it on!

[evadgib]

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

How are we supposed to go to France to get our passports , if we are applying for a new passport and we dont already have one?

Be sure to Inc a smiley when playing the pillock or they'll think you're serious and tar all of us with it.

[stephenterry]

20 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I understood your POV and found your very sarcastic Falklands jibe pitiful and very distasteful.

 

You also said you have not seen any comments on here which I mentioned there have been many with more than two threads having been closed.

 

I am a British Citizen and hold a British passport. Being out of the EU will benefit me. I have many other reasons but find your tone not one for sharing.

I am also a British citizen and hold a British passport. I've read probably most of the voluminous posts and no leaver has spelt out exactly how they would personally benefit - neither have you. iI you post on these threads you can be assured that posters will respond to you. That you like my tone or not is neither here nor there.  

 

Being out of the EU won't benefit me, because the Pound will be devalued. 

[dick dasterdly]

29 minutes ago, Spidey said:

What's the problem with a second referendum? I thought that Brexiteers were supremely confident that they would win by an even bigger margin this time.

The problems are that:-

 

1) We've already had a referendum, the result of which was to leave

 

2) why should there be another referendum when we've already had one

 

3) you can bet your bottom dollar that a new referendum will be along the lines of that suggested by another poster.  i.e. a secondary vote between remain/leave/accept May and the eu's deal.

 

Remain and accept May/eu deal is pretty much the same thing  - albeit paying 39bn for the privilege.....

[adammike]

11 minutes ago, sanemax said:

How are we supposed to go to France to get our passports , if we are applying for a new passport and we dont already have one?

You pay £2000 and you will be transported to a French beach of your choice in a rubber dingy.

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, stephenterry said:

I am also a British citizen and hold a British passport. I've read probably most of the voluminous posts and no leaver has spelt out exactly how they would personally benefit - neither have you. iI you post on these threads you can be assured that posters will respond to you. That you like my tone or not is neither here nor there.  

 

Being out of the EU won't benefit me, because the Pound will be devalued. 

I've asked the same question numerous times on various thereads and always get similar answers. Brexiteers voted with ther hearts, not their heads and now can't justify their vote.

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

The problems are that:-

 

1) We've already had a referendum, the result of which was to leave

 

2) why should there be another referendum when we've already had one

Because:

a) you can, and 

b) no one else is capable of making a decision 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

I am also a British citizen and hold a British passport. I've read probably most of the voluminous posts and no leaver has spelt out exactly how they would personally benefit - neither have you. iI you post on these threads you can be assured that posters will respond to you.

 

Being out of the EU won't benefit me, because the Pound will be devalued. 

The pound devalued benefited me until recently as I was paid in Thai baht so could send moire money back to the UK.

 

You haven;'t read the threads as I have stated a few times now as many posters have mentioned on numerous occasions.

 

"That you like my tone or not is neither here nor there.  "

Your wrong you will not get another reply.

 

[dick dasterdly]

42 minutes ago, Spidey said:

If I tell you will you be my best friend forever? No, forget that, you've already shown your colours as a latent paedophile in another thread.

 

By their own calculation, around 70. It's not possible to give a precise number as they are not obliged to declare their membership. The group is known as the ERG (European Research Group) and is chaired by Moggy.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/erg-brexit-group-members-jacob-rees-mogg-explained/

"No, forget that, you've already shown your colours as a latent paedophile in another thread."

 

????  I think you need to provide evidence to support this appalling slur!

Edited March 13, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[dick dasterdly]

23 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

The EU will only agree to an extension if there is a clear reason. That means new elections or a new referendum. If this decision does not happen within 2 weeks, the UK will only have 2 options: No Deal Brexit or Retire Art 50. The EU is also fed up with the UK politic circus. Only costs effort, money and time.

I've no doubt that you believe that ????.

[adammike]

23 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

A Big Blue passport that would be made in France by a French/Dutch company - if the UK leaves the EU. 

Do you want to tell him that about 80 countries have blue passports,and that the blue UK one will be the same size as the burgundy one the UK use as a EU member.

[dick dasterdly]

7 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Because:

a) you can, and 

b) no one else is capable of making a decision 

 

Please quote the entirety of my post.

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

The problems are that:-

 

1) We've already had a referendum, the result of which was to leave

 

2) why should there be another referendum when we've already had one

 

3) you can bet your bottom dollar that a new referendum will be along the lines of that suggested by another poster.  i.e. a secondary vote between remain/leave/accept May and the eu's deal.

 

Remain and accept May/eu deal is pretty much the same thing  - albeit paying 39bn for the privilege.....

I) Correct, but we now can't agree on how to leave.

 

2) It's the only way to break the parliamentary deadlock. MP s would agree that the result was bindinf.

 

3) A no deal Brexit isn't an option. The main objection, to May's deal, by Brexiteers, is around the NI backstop. A no deal Brexit would result in an immediate hard border as we would be out of the customs union. Something that no one wants. Therefore the referendum could only be between May's deal and remain.

 

If you think that there is little difference between Mays's deal and remain, just vote remain. You know it makes sense.

[Spidey]

7 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"No, forget that, you've already shown your colours as a latent paedophile in another thread."

 

????  I think you need to provide evidence to support this slur!

Sorry, it was said tongue in cheek after your comment that it was wrong and not normal to allow my 6 year old son to sleep in the same bed as me.

[dick dasterdly]

9 minutes ago, Spidey said:

I've asked the same question numerous times on various thereads and always get similar answers. Brexiteers voted with ther hearts, not their heads and now can't justify their vote.

The 'how does it benefit you personally' has been asked a few times.  The problem is that most of us are relatively wealthy  - but still care about the poorest in the uk.

 

Those of us living in Thailand have been hit badly by the fall in exchange rates - but still care about the poorest in the uk whose wages (in real terms) are ever decreasing - partly as a result of immigration from poor eu countries.

[stephenterry]

3 minutes ago, adammike said:

Do you want to tell him that about 80 countries have blue passports,and that the blue UK one will be the same size as the burgundy one the UK use as a EU member.

Well it's Blue and Gold, like before the Burgundy one. He can get them in the UK from October 2019, providing they don't get held up for weeks in the 200 mile log jam at Calais/Dover.

[dick dasterdly]

16 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"No, forget that, you've already shown your colours as a latent paedophile in another thread."

 

????  I think you need to provide evidence to support this appalling slur!

 

6 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Sorry, it was said tongue in cheek after your comment that it was wrong and not normal to allow my 6 year old son to sleep in the same bed as me.

Please try to get your quotes in order.  I never said anything of the sort.

 

Edit - You presumably meant another poster.

Edited March 13, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[brewsterbudgen]

I've asked the same question numerous times on various thereads and always get similar answers. Brexiteers voted with ther hearts, not their heads and now can't justify their vote.

This helps a lot with identifying Brexiteers..


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[Loiner]

No other alternative.
 
As there will be no more negotiations, the only plans are:
 
Revoke Article 50 and regain our sanity.
 
Call a general election,

A second referendum,
Bring it on!

The other alternatives. You forgot the Leave No Deal option at two points:

- When EU refuses to delay article 50

- When you have your imaginary second referendum.

Bring them both on!


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[Spidey]

Just now, dick dasterdly said:

The 'how does it benefit you personally' has been asked a few times.  The problem is that most of us are relatively wealthy  - but still care about the poorest in the uk.

 

Those of us living in Thailand have been hit badly by the fall in exchange rates - but still care about the poorest in the uk whose wages (in real terms) are ever decreasing - partly as a result of immigration from poor eu countries.

A nonsense that has been debunked many times.

 

I voted remain because I care about the future of my 2 children who live and work in the UK.

 

Brexit would result in a major downturn in the economy, wholesale loss of jobs and quite likely a wage freeze. My daughter works in the NHS, as does her husband, a double whammy for them.