Britain in Brexit chaos - parliament crushes May's EU deal again

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Give me the name of ten British people who physically went to the polling station and voted for Drunker or Tusk?

The problem with you British is, you have ZERO interest nor knowledge about the election systems in the EU.

The European parlement is directly elected by EU citizens aged 18 or older. on country bases. They elect their chairman = 

Donald Tusk is a Polish ( = EU member state)  politician who has been the President of the European Council since 2014. This institution comprises the college of heads of state or government of EU member states. He served as Prime Minister of Poland from 2007 to 2014. 

Jean-Clause Juncker = The President of the European Commission is the head of the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Union. The President of the Commission leads a cabinet of Commissioners, referred to as the college, collectively accountable to the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU citizens.

[evadgib]

32 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

And.. YOU think, the other 27 EU member states will take the U.K. back after 10 years hazzle and 45 years obstruction ? I think, they are all happy finally to get rid of the British. Charles de Gaulle was right ! 

'Biting the hand that feeds'; given he had 'le gall' to seek sanctuary there a decade or two earlier...????

Edited March 13, 2019 by evadgib

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

 

VAUXHALL (GM, USA)

Where last surviving car will be one of the 3 left UK owned manufactured cars. ????

Sorry, but.. which UK owned car manufacturers ? see https://www.borro.com/uk/insights/blog/british-car-brands-owners/

Aston Martin (Ford, USA. Investment Dar, Kuwait. ...

Bentley (Volkswagen, Germany) ...

Jaguar (Tata, India) ...

Land Rover (Tata, India) ...

Lotus (Proton, Malaysia) …

MG (SAIC, China) ...

Mini (BMW, Germany)

MORGAN (MORGAN, UK)

ROLLS-ROYCE (BMW, GERMANY

VAUXHALL (GM, USA)

[nauseus]

34 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I couldn't get an answer out of any of them either.

Now now, not fair. The benefits (already explained to you years ago) from most leavers perspectives concern the restoration of UK sovereignty and are not out personal or individual concern. 

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The problem with you British is, you have ZERO interest nor knowledge about the election systems in the EU.

The European parlement is directly elected by EU citizens aged 18 or older. on country bases. They elect their chairman = 

Donald Tusk is a Polish ( = EU member state)  politician who has been the President of the European Council since 2014. This institution comprises the college of heads of state or government of EU member states. He served as Prime Minister of Poland from 2007 to 2014. 

Jean-Clause Juncker = The President of the European Commission is the head of the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Union. The President of the Commission leads a cabinet of Commissioners, referred to as the college, collectively accountable to the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU citizens.

Yes, we can see the EU Parliament ripping the Commission to shreds every day!

[puipuitom]

41 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Can you show me that election slogan please? An election slogan where Boris specifically says the NHS will get 350m per week. 

 

If you can't then please stop repeating it. 

see google  Boris Johnson bus 350 million pounds for NHS

[nauseus]

27 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

And.. YOU think, the other 27 EU member states will take the U.K. back after 10 years hazzle and 45 years obstruction ? I think, they are all happy finally to get rid of the British. Charles de Gaulle was right ! 

Vive de Gaulle

    Vive de Gaulle

        Vive de Gaulle

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

No difference to me. A lot goes out and a bit comes back, mostly for farmers and the rest usually for lame EU badged projects. 

In reply to:- Money that the EU spend on the UK is not "our" money, its whoever gets allocated its money, you would see the difference if you were the winner of an EU grant who had been turned down support from the UK.   from Kieran.

 

The people I know working in science and engineering research are horrified about the money that they stand to loose from EU grants. Why is money spent on R&D have to be "lame EU badged projects", that is a desperately weak write off of money that really matters to us. If we want to stay at the forefront of innovation we are shooting ourselves in the foot. 

On the other hand just imagine how generous a Trump lead US is going to be in trade deals. 

[AlexRich]

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

We’ve always done rather well in uncharted territory. Our maritime supremacy lead to wealth and treasures.


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Yes, we took stuff under threat of force. Is that the new strategy?

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, persimmon said:

Yes, Brexit hopes are fading fast.

Lets examine the facts -

1) MPs cant agree on a deal

2)MPs won`t vote for " No deal "

So that means that an impasse has been reached.The only way out would seem to be a second referendum ( Which remain would win ) , or a general election to give Parliament the authority to cancel Brexit.

Sorry, but.. you forget a tiny detail: just as "for tango you need two", this is an agreement between EU and UK. NOT a decission only to be made in the British House of Commons.

[evadgib]

Something to (re)moan about:

 

Edited March 13, 2019 by evadgib

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Can you show me that election slogan please? An election slogan where Boris specifically says the NHS will get 350m per week. 

 

If you can't then please stop repeating it. 

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We've had an election since then and triggered art50 in which all sides promised to deliver.

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

And what would the Blessed Margaret be thrice rejoicing staying  in the EU....

-Margaret Thatcher

The only who blackmailed "our money back" 

Edited March 13, 2019 by puipuitom

[nauseus]

24 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

In reply to:- Money that the EU spend on the UK is not "our" money, its whoever gets allocated its money, you would see the difference if you were the winner of an EU grant who had been turned down support from the UK.   from Kieran.

The people I know workings. 

Well as it is basically UK money anyway then any worthy causes could receive funds directly. Eh?

 

By the way, I think that your cartoon depicting the EU as a large predator is very fitting. ????

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Back on topic. one of the reasons the EU don't want the UK to leave and if there is no deal.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-import-tariffs-to-be-slashed-under-no-deal-brexit-3lnkds36j

 

f we leave without a deal, we will set the majority of our import tariffs to zero, whilst maintaining tariffs for the most sensitive industries. This balanced approach will help to support British jobs and avoid potential price spikes that would hit the poorest households the hardest.”

 

So what market sectors would you be inclined to protect and which would you subject to zero tariffs for the benefit of consumers?

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Yes.

 

It was obvious that the message on the side of the bus was pointing out that the uk was wasting a lot of money on an extra layer of corrupt bureaucracy via the eu.  Or at least it was obvious to me, personally.

 

I didn't vote in the referendum for various reasons, but as a result of the farce (mostly by brit. politicians) - if there is another referendum, I will vote - to leave.

Yes, and now, Nigel Farange and his colleagues does not miss one second of a meeting in when is explained how to get most retirement money of the EU... 

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

And what would the Blessed Margaret be thrice rejoicing staying  in the EU....

 

"Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world’s wealthiest and most prosperous people." 

"Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it." 

"It’s not a dream. It’s not a vision. It’s not some bureaucrat’s plan. It’s for real." 

"[Prior to 1973] Europe wasn’t open for business. Underneath the rhetoric, the old barriers remained. Not just against the outside world, but between the European countries." 

"Not the classic barriers of tariffs, but the insiduous ones of differing national standards, various restrictions on the provision of services, exclusion of foreign firms from public contracts." 

"Now that’s going to change. Britain has given the lead." 

"We recognised that if Europe was going to be more than a slogan then we must get the basics right. That meant action." 

"[We] can look forward with confidence to sweeping away the We can play a role in developing Europe, or we can turn our backs on the Community. 

By turning our backs we would forfeit our right to influence what happens in the Community. 

But what happens in the Community will inevitably affect us. 

The European Community is a powerful group of nations. 

With Britain as a member, it is more powerful; without Britain it will still be powerful. 

We can play a leading role in Europe, but if that leadership is not forthcoming Europe will develop without Britain." 

-Margaret Thatcher

Yeah, well that all changed pretty quickly. No no no!

[brewsterbudgen]

The problem with you British is, you have ZERO interest nor knowledge about the election systems in the EU.
The European parlement is directly elected by EU citizens aged 18 or older. on country bases. They elect their chairman = 
Donald Tusk is a Polish ( = EU member state)  politician who has been the President of the European Council since 2014. This institution comprises the college of heads of state or government of EU member states. He served as Prime Minister of Poland from 2007 to 2014. 
Jean-Clause Juncker = The President of the European Commission is the head of the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Union. The President of the Commission leads a cabinet of Commissioners, referred to as the college, collectively accountable to the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU citizens.

Eurosceptics and Brexiteers are not fond of facts!

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[Chomper Higgot]

27 minutes ago, evadgib said:

We've had an election since then and triggered art50 in which all sides promised to deliver.

I was answering CG1 Blue's (home goal) question.

 

But to address your point. 

 

It is the duty of the Government to deliver - they haven't. 

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Money that the EU spend on the UK is not "our" money, its whoever gets allocated its money, you would see the difference if you were the winner of an EU grant who had been turned down support from the UK.

Yep; ask Cornwall! They did extremely well but voted leave and are now moaning. Many first cousin marriages?

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

 'Biting the hand that feeds'; given he had 'le gall' to seek sanctuary there a decade or two earlier…????

We still curse the British Special Operations Executive (SOE)  by letting not only over 50 Dutch spies parachute into nazi hands, but also hundreds or resistant fighters .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englandspiel.

At the end, the Polish fighters had to be sacrificed ( Arnhem, Brabant) as Churchill gave Poland away to Stalin at Yalta, so.. these soldiers had to be reduced a lot in numbers. Their general at Arnhem, Stanisław Sosabowski, was dishonoured by the British, as.. the blunders of Montgomery had to be masked.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

Sorry, but.. which UK owned car manufacturers ? see https://www.borro.com/uk/insights/blog/british-car-brands-owners/

 

Aston Martin (Ford, USA. Investment Dar, Kuwait. ...

 

Bentley (Volkswagen, Germany) ...

 

Jaguar (Tata, India) ...

 

Land Rover (Tata, India) ...

 

Lotus (Proton, Malaysia) …

 

MG (SAIC, China) ...

 

Mini (BMW, Germany)

 

MORGAN (MORGAN, UK)

 

ROLLS-ROYCE (BMW, GERMANY

 

VAUXHALL (GM, USA)

 

Googled it easy enough Morgan, Caterham, Mclaren.

[malagateddy]

Just wonder how many British troops met their death fighting the nazis???
Think it's best to put a sock in it!!

We still curse the British Special Operations Executive (SOE)  by letting not only over 50 Dutch spies parachute into nazi hands, but also hundreds or resistant fighters .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englandspiel.

At the end, the Polish fighters had to be sacrificed ( Arnhem, Brabant) as Churchill gave Poland away to Stalin at Yalta, so.. these soldiers had to be reduced a lot in numbers. Their general at Arnhem, Stanisław Sosabowski, was dishonoured by the British, as.. the blunders of Montgomery had to be masked.

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[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Back on topic. one of the reasons the EU don't want the UK to leave and if there is no deal.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-import-tariffs-to-be-slashed-under-no-deal-brexit-3lnkds36j

 

f we leave without a deal, we will set the majority of our import tariffs to zero, whilst maintaining tariffs for the most sensitive industries. This balanced approach will help to support British jobs and avoid potential price spikes that would hit the poorest households the hardest.”

 

1) This is the reason the EU want a border: if not, all might be smuggled in via the N+S Irish border. When Greece joined the EU, a minimum price of raisins was put up, by which - oh coincidence - only the Turks had a problem with. In no time, Switzerland exported 700.000 tons of raisins into the EU.

2) How you want to cover the gap into the British treasury caused by this no import duty ?

3) It is not the import duty into the U.K. what will cause the disaster, but the import duty of British goods into the EU. For instance cars and a LOT of Industrial "make" products: 10 %. Confectionary: 13,7 % Beef, port, sheep, poultry, fish (products) : forget it.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Did you manage to spot any other numbers on there?

Of course; do ai have to explain every damn thing? The bastards just took the largest gross figure. The actual amount is less than 0.4% of GDP. Maybe we have a trade deficit in goods with the EU but not services. And what about the 60 countries that we trade with under EU negotiated trade deals?

[puipuitom]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

It has already been established that the UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50. They don't need EU 27 approval. It would be difficult, but I suspect welcomed by most EU countries.

However, it’s important to note that the court added that the decision to revoke Article 50 must be “unequivocal and unconditional”. This means that the member state has to make it clear that it wishes to maintain its EU membership. This is not about extending the Article 50 process to extend the Brexit transition period beyond March 2019. That would still require agreement from the EU member states. Rather, a notification revoking Article 50 means not leaving the EU at all. In other words, it would stop Brexit completely and for at least a long period.

Of equal importance is timing. The court said a member state can only revoke Article 50 while its withdrawal agreement with the EU, which sets outs the terms of departure, has not yet entered into force. If the withdrawal agreement has not been concluded, revocation may take place during the two-year period that starts when Article 50 is triggered, or even beyond the two-year period if the remaining member states decide to grant such an extension.

In Brexit terms, this means that the UK can revoke Article 50 unilaterally before its agreement enters into force or, if it does not enter in force, until March 29 2019. It can also revoke it after that date if the European Council agrees to extend the transition period of Article 50 beyond 29 March 2019.

http://theconversation.com/article-50-can-be-revoked-heres-what-it-means-for-brexit-108522

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, puipuitom said:

The problem with you British is, you have ZERO interest nor knowledge about the election systems in the EU.

The European parlement is directly elected by EU citizens aged 18 or older. on country bases. They elect their chairman = 

Donald Tusk is a Polish ( = EU member state)  politician who has been the President of the European Council since 2014. This institution comprises the college of heads of state or government of EU member states. He served as Prime Minister of Poland from 2007 to 2014. 

Jean-Clause Juncker = The President of the European Commission is the head of the European Commission, the executive branch of the European Union. The President of the Commission leads a cabinet of Commissioners, referred to as the college, collectively accountable to the European Parliament, which is directly elected by EU citizens.

You'll need to explain that again slowly for 52% of our brethren. Otherwise they'll miss the sound points you are making. It is true that far too little attention is paid to MEPs, their selection, election and activities. We would not be in the current mess if the UK electorate were better informed.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Something to (re)moan about:

 

I think we have learnt to take far more care in the selection and voting for suitable people to be MEPs and MPs. There are some very poor characters that have been elected; especially MEPs. It reflects badly on all of us. Farage should never again be elected to any position. He has brought the country into disrepute.

[vogie]

40 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

We still curse the British Special Operations Executive (SOE)  by letting not only over 50 Dutch spies parachute into nazi hands, but also hundreds or resistant fighters .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englandspiel.

 

At the end, the Polish fighters had to be sacrificed ( Arnhem, Brabant) as Churchill gave Poland away to Stalin at Yalta, so.. these soldiers had to be reduced a lot in numbers. Their general at Arnhem, Stanisław Sosabowski, was dishonoured by the British, as.. the blunders of Montgomery had to be masked.

 

I'm not sure what it has to do with brexit, but it seems by the tone of your posts that the British are not on top of your Christmas card list. All this happened over 75 years ago, I think you should let go if possible, it is not healthy to hold grudges againgst posters on this forum that couldn't how ever much you tried be held responsible.