Britain in Brexit chaos - parliament crushes May's EU deal again

[beautifulthailand99]

17 minutes ago, timbothaivisa said:

Voters will not rejoice, quite the opposite. And those who delight in the prospect of democracy being thrown out will be sorely disappointed - there's simply no logical alternative.

Brexit had its chance. It's over. Let's move on.

[sanemax]

Just now, persimmon said:

Yes,Brexit hopes are fading fast.

 

Lets examine the facts -

1) MPs cant agree on a deal

2)MPs won`t vote for " No deal "

 

So that means that an impasse has been reached.The only way out would seem to be a second referendum ( Which remain would win ) , or a general election to give Parliament the authority to cancel Brexit.

 

What a sorry state of affairs,real democracy thwarted by self-serving politicians.

You have no idea about how the M.P's will vote on the no deal (dis)agreement and you have no idea about how the UK population would vote in another referendum .

  Also a G.E will not give Parliament the right to cancel Brexit .

The 17 million Brexiters voters will not take too kindly to another referendum or another vote .

  Could lead the way to Farange being the next P.M and letting him deal with negotiations 

[mercman24]

all tyhis talk about what the UK will lose, dont see much about what various EU countries will lose, they are being kept in the dark by their respective leaders.its going to hit a lot of them pretty hard, for a start they will all have to cough up a big wedge of money left by the void of the UK leaving, that is what JUNKERS is realy pissing himself about, using blackmail tactics to frighten MAY, who never had a backbone from day one, * PLEASE SIR, * etc, etc.

[beautifulthailand99]

And what would the Blessed Margaret be thrice rejoicing staying  in the EU....

 

"Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world’s wealthiest and most prosperous people." 

"Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it." 

"It’s not a dream. It’s not a vision. It’s not some bureaucrat’s plan. It’s for real." 

"[Prior to 1973] Europe wasn’t open for business. Underneath the rhetoric, the old barriers remained. Not just against the outside world, but between the European countries." 

"Not the classic barriers of tariffs, but the insiduous ones of differing national standards, various restrictions on the provision of services, exclusion of foreign firms from public contracts." 

"Now that’s going to change. Britain has given the lead." 

"We recognised that if Europe was going to be more than a slogan then we must get the basics right. That meant action." 

"[We] can look forward with confidence to sweeping away the We can play a role in developing Europe, or we can turn our backs on the Community. 

By turning our backs we would forfeit our right to influence what happens in the Community. 

But what happens in the Community will inevitably affect us. 

The European Community is a powerful group of nations. 

With Britain as a member, it is more powerful; without Britain it will still be powerful. 

We can play a leading role in Europe, but if that leadership is not forthcoming Europe will develop without Britain." 

-Margaret Thatcher

[Mukdahanman]

The vote puts the world's fifth largest economy in uncharted territory with no obvious way forward; exiting the EU without a deal,

 

like it or loathe it, that’s a way forward 

Edited March 13, 2019 by Mukdahanman

[melvinmelvin]

wonder what MPs hope to achieve

now they have voted down may-deal

no reason to expect that no-deal will not be voted down

 

so what, what do they want?

delay for a month or so is hardly going to bring any delights on the table

delay and new referendum, is that really going to change things

delay and GE? any achievement in that?

 

not easy to understand what they actually want, a better deal yes, but hardly available

 

a weird bunch, the MPs

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Could lead the way to Farange being the next P.M and letting him deal with negotiations 

Davis was already a big joke; wouldn’t mind seeing another clown fail. Would Boris be next then? 

 

Of course, none of them will ever take over responsibility. None of them actually has any interest in Brexit itself; they just use it to create havoc. That’s why they will never vote for anything either. That would mean Brexit is done and everyone can move on, which is not in their interest. They could no longer blame the EU; they would need a new scapegoat or come up with ideas and solutions. They would lose their cause; the only cause that gives them enough loons following them. 

[sanemax]

Just now, melvinmelvin said:

wonder what MPs hope to achieve

now they have voted down may-deal

no reason to expect that no-deal will not be voted down

so what, what do they want?

delay for a month or so is hardly going to bring any delights on the table

delay and new referendum, is that really going to change things

delay and GE? any achievement in that?

not easy to understand what they actually want, a better deal yes, but hardly available

 

a weird bunch, the MPs

 

 

Maybe they want to leave with no deal ?

[david555]

18 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

wonder what MPs hope to achieve

now they have voted down may-deal

no reason to expect that no-deal will not be voted down

 

so what, what do they want?

delay for a month or so is hardly going to bring any delights on the table

delay and new referendum, is that really going to change things

delay and GE? any achievement in that?

 

not easy to understand what they actually want, a better deal yes, but hardly available

 

a weird bunch, the MPs

 

 

So nothing have changed , nothing new ….. the Brits don't have a clue what  next , what to do it seems ,...sad !

Edited March 13, 2019 by david555

[welovesundaysatspace]

5 minutes ago, Mukdahanman said:

The vote puts the world's fifth largest economy in uncharted territory with no obvious way forward; exiting the EU without a deal,

 

like it or loathe it, that’s a way forward 

The sixths largest. Brexit has caused them to be left behind by France. 

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

And what would the Blessed Margaret be thrice rejoicing staying  in the EU....

 

"Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world’s wealthiest and most prosperous people." 

"Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it." 

"It’s not a dream. It’s not a vision. It’s not some bureaucrat’s plan. It’s for real." 

"[Prior to 1973] Europe wasn’t open for business. Underneath the rhetoric, the old barriers remained. Not just against the outside world, but between the European countries." 

"Not the classic barriers of tariffs, but the insiduous ones of differing national standards, various restrictions on the provision of services, exclusion of foreign firms from public contracts." 

"Now that’s going to change. Britain has given the lead." 

"We recognised that if Europe was going to be more than a slogan then we must get the basics right. That meant action." 

"[We] can look forward with confidence to sweeping away the We can play a role in developing Europe, or we can turn our backs on the Community. 

By turning our backs we would forfeit our right to influence what happens in the Community. 

But what happens in the Community will inevitably affect us. 

The European Community is a powerful group of nations. 

With Britain as a member, it is more powerful; without Britain it will still be powerful. 

We can play a leading role in Europe, but if that leadership is not forthcoming Europe will develop without Britain." 

-Margaret Thatcher

That was from 30-40 years ago, before the developing nations emerged .

Times have changed since back then . 

[welovesundaysatspace]

6 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

wonder what MPs hope to achieve

now they have voted down may-deal

no reason to expect that no-deal will not be voted down

 

so what, what do they want?

delay for a month or so is hardly going to bring any delights on the table

delay and new referendum, is that really going to change things

delay and GE? any achievement in that?

 

not easy to understand what they actually want, a better deal yes, but hardly available

 

a weird bunch, the MPs

 

 

They’re a laughing stock. Supposed to lead a country, in fact a bunch of losers without balls. 

[persimmon]

Honestly,MPs are not going to vote for " No deal "

[sanemax]

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/the-worlds-biggest-economies-in-2018/

Just now, welovesundaysatspace said:

The sixth biggest . Brexit has caused them to be left behind by France. 

Dont think so , figures from 3 months ago has the UK fifth and France behind

 

 

 

 

[Kinnock]

Just now, sanemax said:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/04/the-worlds-biggest-economies-in-2018/

Dont think so , figures from 3 months ago has the UK fifth and France behind

 

 

 

 

Without Honda, Nissan and Toyota and with the City financial institutions already moving to Luxembourg, UK will be lucky to make the top 10.

 

Perhaps Putin will take pity and annexe England.

[flossie35]

7 hours ago, bomber said:

its not happening,the dream is over

Nightmare you mean?

[vogie]

Henning Wehn nails it, on another referendum "if you were stupid enough to fall for what was written on the side of a bus, what's to say you won't fall for something else next time around"

 

 

[Loiner]

The vote puts the world's fifth largest economy in uncharted territory with no obvious way forward; exiting the EU without a deal,
 
like it or loathe it, that’s a way forward 

We’ve always done rather well in uncharted territory. Our maritime supremacy lead to wealth and treasures.


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[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Henning Wehn nails it, on another referendum "if you were stupid enough to fall for what was written on the side of a bus, what's to say you won't fall for something else next time around"

 

 

Sure a question you can answer?!

[sanemax]

Just now, vogie said:

Henning Wehn nails it, on another referendum "if you were stupid enough to fall for what was written on the side of a bus, what's to say you won't fall for something else next time around"

 

What was written on the side of a bus was a suggestion as to what the U.K could do with the savings it will make by leaving the E.U , it wasnt a promise or a certainty, just a suggestion 

[Grouse]

32 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

wonder what MPs hope to achieve

now they have voted down may-deal

no reason to expect that no-deal will not be voted down

 

so what, what do they want?

delay for a month or so is hardly going to bring any delights on the table

delay and new referendum, is that really going to change things

delay and GE? any achievement in that?

 

not easy to understand what they actually want, a better deal yes, but hardly available

 

a weird bunch, the MPs

 

 

May's red lines should be discarded. That would open up many "softer" Brexit opportunities. Parliament will not support no deal Brexit. So it's softer Brexit ( as suggested by LAB and EU) or referendum (which would deliver Remain). Nash equilibrium analysis always pointed to N or N+

Edited March 13, 2019 by Grouse

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

BBC news just now looks like there will be an extension.

Maybe an general election, there was big cheer from MP's when TM mentioned another referendum vote. 

Suprise, suprise.....

[whatsupdoc]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

What was written on the side of a bus was a suggestion as to what the U.K could do with the savings it will make by leaving the E.U , it wasnt a promise or a certainty, just a suggestion 

The savings the UK will make by leaving the EU....... also a suggestion?? Because it doesn't seem a certainty to me. Quite the opposite in fact.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

What was written on the side of a bus was a suggestion as to what the U.K could do with the savings it will make by leaving the E.U , it wasnt a promise or a certainty, just a suggestion 

I know what it said on the side of the bus, just as most leavers do, the problem arises when you are a remainer and they struggle with dyslexia when it suits them.

[Kinnock]

13 minutes ago, Loiner said:

We’ve always done rather well in uncharted territory. Our maritime supremacy lead to wealth and treasures.


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That ended early in the last Century.  UK has already been overtaken by one of her old colonies, and there's an Ambassador taxi with velvet curtains just about to pass her on the wrong side of the road, horn blaring and a family of 18 on board.  ????

 

"Madam, please to be getting out of the way, I'm chasing that Chinaman"

Edited March 13, 2019 by Kinnock

[Kieran00001]

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

No, its is quite straight forward . 

Leave the E.U.

That is what voters wanted 

Leave the E.U.

It was a short , simple , straight forward question and people answered that question .

They want to leave the E.U

 

 

Please refrain from projecting your simplicity onto the entire populous, thanks.

[Kieran00001]

13 minutes ago, sanemax said:

What was written on the side of a bus was a suggestion as to what the U.K could do with the savings it will make by leaving the E.U , it wasnt a promise or a certainty, just a suggestion 

 

The promise was that there will be that saving, which we now know there wont be as they didn't even deduct our rebate, are you seriously still struggling to understand that having had it explained to you several times?  LOL

[Basil B]

2 hours ago, Proboscis said:

Exactly - an election will only bake in the stand-off. Remember that the vote in the referendum was close and many voting remain voted remain but . . . and many voting leave voted leave but . . . 

 

In other words, the situation is not as black and white as some politicians would like you to believe. In such a situation I would suggest the following:

 

Go somewhere along the road towards Brexit now, right now, and work out the details of where the UK wants to go later. In other words, leave the Single Market and move to Custom's Union right now - call it Brexit 1. That means no backstop and no problem at the Irish border. It gets over the problem of what the country wants in the future. And it would stop the haemorage of business confidence and investment to other countries.

 

Yes, it would not solve the freedom of movement, fisheries and the freedom to sign separate trade deals with other countries. But it would give the country the most valuable commody of all - time - rather than being rushed into some deal or other which could cause huge problems in the future.

 

 

What you are proposing is BRINO (Brexit In Name Only)

[sanemax]

Just now, Kieran00001 said:

 

The promise was that there will be that saving, which we now know there wont be as they didn't even deduct our rebate, are you seriously still struggling to understand that having had it explained to you several times?  LOL

[dick dasterdly]

50 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

wonder what MPs hope to achieve

now they have voted down may-deal

no reason to expect that no-deal will not be voted down

 

so what, what do they want?

delay for a month or so is hardly going to bring any delights on the table

delay and new referendum, is that really going to change things

delay and GE? any achievement in that?

 

not easy to understand what they actually want, a better deal yes, but hardly available

 

a weird bunch, the MPs

 

 

That something will 'happen' in the future to let them off the hook.....

 

They want to remain, but know that they will face a 'backlash' from the electorate if this is too obvious.  And May's deal was too obvious......