British lawmakers defy May to reject no-deal Brexit, to vote on three-month delay

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British lawmakers defy May to reject no-deal Brexit, to vote on three-month delay

By William James, Kylie MacLellan and Elizabeth Piper

 

British Prime Minister Theresa May speaks in Parliament in London, Britain, March 13, 2019, in this screen grab taken from video. Reuters TV via REUTERS

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British lawmakers on Wednesday rejected leaving the European Union without a deal in any scenario, paving the way for a vote to seek to delay Brexit until at least the end of June.

 

After a day of high drama, lawmakers voted by 321 to 278 in favour of a motion that ruled out a potentially disorderly 'no-deal' Brexit under any circumstances.

 

It went further than the government's own planned motion, which noted that parliament did not want to leave without a deal on March 29, the leaving date set down in law, but stressed that the default legal position was to leave without a deal unless one was ratified by parliament.

 

While the approved motion has no legal force and ultimately may not prevent a no-deal exit, it carries considerable political force, especially as it passed thanks to a substantial rebellion by members of May's own Conservative Party and her cabinet.

 

May, who had insisted that it was not possible to completely rule out a no-deal Brexit, said lawmakers would need to agree a way forward before an extension could be obtained.

 

The government said it would on Thursday propose seeking to delay Brexit until June 30 if parliament can - by March 20, the day before an EU summit - approve a deal to leave the European Union. The government did not say which day it planned to hold another vote.

 

Commentators believe that with a no-deal Brexit voted down, May will now hope to persuade hardline pro-Brexit lawmakers to vote for her deal on the grounds that the alternatives offer a less clean break with the EU.

 

If no deal is agreed by March 20, "then it is highly likely the European Council at its meeting the following day would require a clear purpose for any extension, not least to determine its length, and any extension beyond 30 June 2019 would require the United Kingdom to hold European Parliament elections in May 2019", Thursday's motion says.

 

"DEAL STILL NEEDED"

After Wednesday's vote, the European Commission promptly restated its position that it was not enough for parliament to vote against leaving the European Union without a deal -- it also needed to find a deal that lawmakers could accept.

 

The outcome of the vote angered many pro-Brexit members of the Conservative Party, who had wanted to retain the option of a "no-deal" exit as a bargaining chip, knowing that it would cause disruption in the EU as well as Britain.

 

After two-and-a-half years of negotiations and two failed attempts to pass a Brexit deal proposed by May, the vote against a no-deal exit still leaves undecided how, when and on what terms Britain will leave the club it joined in 1973.

 

After lawmakers crushed her deal for a second time on Tuesday, May said it was still the best option for leaving in an orderly fashion.

 

The pound rose more than 2 percent on the rejection of 'no-deal' and was headed for its biggest daily gain this year. [GBP/]

 

As the United Kingdom's three-year Brexit crisis spins towards its finale, diplomats and investors see four main options: a delay, May's deal passing at the last minute, an accidental no-deal exit or another referendum.

 

DELAY UNTIL WHEN?

If Britain does seek a delay, it will require the agreement of all the bloc's other 27 members.

 

The EU would prefer only a short extension, ending before EU-wide parliamentary elections due May 24-26, although it is not clear that this would be long enough to solve the impasse in London. The new European Parliament convenes on July 2.

 

EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said the bloc would need to know why Britain wanted to extend talks and that it was up to London to find a way out of the deadlock. The EU said there could be no more negotiations on the divorce terms.

 

Britons voted by 52-48 percent in 2016 to leave the bloc, a decision that has split the main political parties and exposed deep rifts in British society.

 

May's deal covers such things as citizens' rights, the status of the Irish border and Britain's divorce bill from the EU. It takes Britain out of the EU single market and customs union, common fisheries and farm policies and the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. It also offers a status-quo transition period in which to negotiate trade arrangements.

 

Under a no-deal exit, there would be no transition period to soften the disruption to trade and regulations. Britain would quit the EU's 500 million-strong single market and customs union and fall back on World Trade Organisation rules, which could mean tariffs on many imports and exports.

 

(Additional reporting by Elisabeth O'Leary and Alastair Macdonald in Brussels; Writing by Michael Holden, Guy Faulconbridge and Giles Elgood; Editing by Janet Lawrence and Kevin Liffey)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-14

[Samui Bodoh]

Well at least a smidgen of common sense broke out; leaving the EU without a transition agreement in place is the equivalent of leaping off a tall building and planning for a landing on the way down. Let's hope one can be arranged.

 

That said, this continues to be a giant clusterf**k; Vlad must be killing himself with laughter...

 

To me, the worst element in all this is that Johnson, Gove, Farage and the like will all be okay no matter what occurs, but they will never accept responsibility for what they have done and will blame others for the mess they made. And, sadly, the proverbial 'little guy' (and British Expats in Thailand) will be the ones who pay the price.

 

I said it before and will say it again...

 

Never before have I seen a country so utterly determined to shoot itself in the crotch.

 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2019 by Samui Bodoh

[Grouse]

 

Just rejoice!

 

Following an excellent Spring statement from the chancellor, No deal Brexit is now off the table!

 

Despite the CONs three line whip, they have been handed their head on a plate by parliament.

 

Saint Yvette Cooper led rebels to take control.

 

Parliament can now do what it should have done BEFORE triggering A50 and explore which options could carry a majority.

 

The icing on the cake is that LAB now look unelectable. McDonnells miserable response to Spreadsheet and the look on the faces of Aqualung and the Shadow Chancellor, said it all. 

 

I would go with N+ being the Nash Equilbrium solution. However, there is a good chance of Brexit being stopped if the EU refuse an extension because A50 would have to be pulled.

 

So! "Oh Happy Day" when so many CONs walked and mininsters abstained!

[Grouse]

30 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

Just rejoice!

 

Following an excellent Spring statement from the chancellor, No deal Brexit is now off the table!

 

Despite the CONs three line whip, they have been handed their head on a plate by parliament.

 

Saint Yvette Cooper led rebels to take control.

 

Parliament can now do what it should have done BEFORE triggering A50 and explore which options could carry a majority.

 

The icing on the cake is that LAB now look unelectable. McDonnells miserable response to Spreadsheet and the look on the faces of Aqualung and the Shadow Chancellor, said it all. 

 

I would go with N+ being the Nash Equilbrium solution. However, there is a good chance of Brexit being stopped if the EU refuse an extension because A50 would have to be pulled.

 

So! "Oh Happy Day" when so many CONs walked and mininsters abstained!

The Yorkshireman explains what went off....

 

 

[sammieuk1]

Just wondering if there maybe any spare generals going later this month or a home grown one to restore some order to this shit shambles???? 

[steve187]

an extension is not going to work as the EU have said all along there is no changing the May deal, so what is the point, its either cancel article 50 or leave without a deal,  as i have said before the PM's need shooting to resign they are all an embarrassment to the country.

[Laughing Gravy]

As these politicians won't respect the referendum result and two party manifestos, a GE should be called. 

 

I can't see this happening, as so many would be shown the door and the EU won't want that, as a brexiteer could lead the house. As reported yesterday on Sky news a dozen Farages (very conservative IMO) could be elected too. No these gutless MP's will continue to thwart democracy and save their own bacon, for as long as they can.

[Grouse]

46 minutes ago, steve187 said:

an extension is not going to work as the EU have said all along there is no changing the May deal, so what is the point, its either cancel article 50 or leave without a deal,  as i have said before the PM's need shooting to resign they are all an embarrassment to the country.

Shame you don't understand the situation after all this time.

 

May's deal is the best achievable IN COMPLIANCE with her UNILATERAL red lines. There are many other possible deals.

 

I think Parliament will now examine these to see which, if any, can have majority support. Several options were suggested by the EU.

 

The main issue is that hard Brexiters including the ERG have been kicked in the rocks by parliament. Good.

[Grouse]

20 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

As these politicians won't respect the referendum result and two party manifestos, a GE should be called. 

 

I can't see this happening, as so many would be shown the door and the EU won't want that, as a brexiteer could lead the house. As reported yesterday on Sky news a dozen Farages (very conservative IMO) could be elected too. No these gutless MP's will continue to thwart democracy and save their own bacon, for as long as they can.

Blinkered opinion. We now get to look at other Brexit options including ones proposed by Brexiters up to, during and after the referendum. Hard Brexit is a lost cause. So is May's deal. However, there will be no referendum until parliament has looked into various softer Brexit options.

 

BTW, the tariffs proposed are a dogs breakfast. 10% plus on European and other none U.K. Cars. No tariffs on cereal crops which will hurt agriculture. High tariffs on meat which will keep out ANZ and US. Oranges and lemons might be cheaper. CBI is incandescent.

[mickymouse1]

Europe's  Laughing Stock, thanks to David Cam..May is a real classic tory????????????????????????????????

[steve187]

9 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Blinkered opinion. We now get to look at other Brexit options including ones proposed by Brexiters up to, during and after the referendum. Hard Brexit is a lost cause. So is May's deal. However, there will be no referendum until parliament has looked into various softer Brexit options.

 

BTW, the tariffs proposed are a dogs breakfast. 10% plus on European and other none U.K. Cars. No tariffs on cereal crops which will hurt agriculture. High tariffs on meat which will keep out ANZ and US. Oranges and lemons might be cheaper. CBI is incandescent.

you seem to have a blinkered opinion and critise everyone that differs from you, please show what all these 'many other possibles deals' and ' Several options were suggested by the EU.'  are, as i keep seeing quoted by the EU front men that there will be no changes to the deal.

 

18 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Shame you don't understand the situation after all this time.

 

May's deal is the best achievable IN COMPLIANCE with her UNILATERAL red lines. There are many other possible deals.

 

I think Parliament will now examine these to see which, if any, can have majority support. Several options were suggested by the EU.

 

The main issue is that hard Brexiters including the ERG have been kicked in the rocks by parliament. Good.

 

[samran]

A great read - how TM ended up voting against her own bill. An absolute shambles.

 

You Brits can’t even negotiate how to leave your existing trade deals properly, how are you going to ever manage to negotiate new ones?

 

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/the-farce-and-the-furious-how-may-s-government-shot-itself-in-the-foot-20190314-p5142v.html

[Grouse]

14 minutes ago, steve187 said:

you seem to have a blinkered opinion and critise everyone that differs from you, please show what all these 'many other possibles deals' and ' Several options were suggested by the EU.'  are, as i keep seeing quoted by the EU front men that there will be no changes to the deal.

 

 

No, I criticising you

 

Canada

Norway

Switzerland

EEC2

N+

 

and many other bespoke options

 

No deal

Hard Brexit deal

May's red deal

 

Are all dead now

 

OK? You want more?

[malagateddy]

Give us more was the cry

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[Laughing Gravy]

47 minutes ago, samran said:

You Brits can’t even negotiate how to leave your existing trade deals properly, how are you going to ever manage to negotiate new ones?

Please do not categorise us all as you Brits. Maybe the shyster MPs who are self serving and do not give a hoots what the people say. Bring on the next GE and we will see what happens.

Edited March 14, 2019 by Laughing Gravy

[steve187]

13 minutes ago, Grouse said:

No, I criticising you

 

Canada

Norway

Switzerland

EEC2

N+

 

and many other bespoke options

 

No deal

Hard Brexit deal

May's red deal

 

Are all dead now

 

OK? You want more?

non of these are deals with the EU, , other than May's 'red' deal, which is dead in the water, or are you saying these deals are what other countries made with the EU, why do the EU keep saying the deal can not be re-negotiated. you seem to be in the know.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, mickymouse1 said:

Europe's  Laughing Stock, thanks to David Cam..May is a real classic tory????????????????????????????????

Cameron deserves a lot of the blame but so too do the Brexiteers with their lies and failure to plan.

 

Of course they’ll tell you it is all somebody else’s fault.

[samran]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Please do not categorise us all as you Brits. Maybe the shyster MPs who are self serving and do not give a hoots what the people say. Bing on the next GE and we will see what happens.

There are shyster MPs alright, all angling for TMs job. The same ones who said the EU would come begging for a trade deal.

 

If I was an MP who’s constituents said they wanted to jump off a cliff, my reply would be to <deleted> off.

Edited March 14, 2019 by samran

[Loiner]

Parliament kicked out May’s surrender deal twice. The same Parliament has now rejected the idea of a No Deal, although that’s not fixed either.
But there isn’t another deal, and the EU ‘says’ no more negotiations anyway. This could change, but the option of No Deal hinders any UK negotiation for a deal whether one could be made or not.
Parliament will will probably vote for May to ask for an extension to Article 50. The EU says “Non”.
Meanwhile, the clock is ticking towards the only thing that is legislated for in both the UK and the EU, which is Exit Day in 15 days, Deal or No Deal.


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[vogie]

18 minutes ago, Grouse said:

No, I criticising you

 

Canada

Norway

Switzerland

EEC2

N+

 

and many other bespoke options

 

No deal

Hard Brexit deal

May's red deal

 

Are all dead now

 

OK? You want more?

Why is no deal dead now, last nights vote was only advisory. When Parliament triggered art 50 it became law that we leave with a deal or leave without a deal. The only way to get no deal off the table is to vote for a deal or revoke art 50.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

Why is no deal dead now, last nights vote was only advisory. When Parliament triggered art 50 it became law that we leave with a deal or leave without a deal. The only way to get no deal off the table is to vote for a deal or revoke art 50.

Brexiteer trots out ‘only advisory’ without an ounce of irony, let alone introspection.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Brexiteer trots out ‘only advisory’ without an ounce of irony, let alone introspection.

Who said it was without irony, I don't share your love of emojis.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Laughing Gravy]

15 minutes ago, samran said:

If I was an MP who’s constituents said they wanted to jump off a cliff, my reply would be to <deleted> off.

So you know better than all the people who voted. How superior you are. I hardly think killing yourself and leaving the EU can be compared. Talk about sensationalism.

[samran]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So you know better than all the people who voted. How superior you are. I hardly think killing yourself and leaving the EU can be compared. Talk about sensationalism.

That’s the whole point of a parliamentary democracy isn’t it, to make a considered decision based on all the facts on behalf of those who’s interests you represent (facts not printed on the side of busses).

 

If they then don’t like your decisions, they can vote you out.

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

4 minutes ago, samran said:

That’s the whole point of a parliamentary democracy isn’t it, to make a considered decision based on all the facts on behalf of those who’s interests you represent (facts not printed on the side of busses).

Oh dear another original response and a bus. Ingenious.

 

There was a democratic referendum, There was also a GE. Regardless of peoples opinions or facts. Anyone who can say that it is a fact that this will happen after leaving the EU is quite frankly a fool, as we have not left yet. Suggestions and forecasts yes but facts, no they can't. Many MPs are going against their constituents wishes, as many are openly saying. How superior they are.

 

Here is just one example.

 

http://www.ukpol.co.uk/margaret-beckett-2017-speech-on-withdrawing-from-the-eu/

May I say at once that although I deeply regret the decision made by the British people, including in my constituency, to leave the EU, I do not seek to challenge it?

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8548383/brexit-mps-ignoring-leave-voting-constituents/

 

 

[samran]

2 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Oh dear another original response and a bus. Ingenious.

 

There was a democratic referendum, There was also a GE. Regardless of peoples opinions or facts. Anyone who can say that it is a fact that this will happen after leaving the EU is quite frankly a fool, as we have not left yet. Suggestions and forecasts yes but facts, no they can't. Many MPs are going against their constituents wishes, as many are openly saying. How superior they are.

 

Here is just one example.

 

http://www.ukpol.co.uk/margaret-beckett-2017-speech-on-withdrawing-from-the-eu/

May I say at once that although I deeply regret the decision made by the British people, including in my constituency, to leave the EU, I do not seek to challenge it?

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8548383/brexit-mps-ignoring-leave-voting-constituents/

 

 

Well it comes back to the shyster element you bought up.

 

They quite like their seats on the green benches, and will do anything to keep them. Treasury benches would be even better. 

 

I note that slime bucket Gove stating this wasn’t the brexit he voted for when he stepped into the PMs role last night as her voice was gone. 

 

What is lacking here is real leadership, it’s populist none sense which has gotten you here, and it is showing. 

[Laughing Gravy]

7 minutes ago, samran said:

Well it comes back to the shyster element you bought up.

 

They quite like their seats on the green benches, and will do anything to keep them. Treasury benches would be even better. 

 

I note that slime bucket Gove stating this wasn’t the brexit he voted for when he stepped into the PMs role last night as her voice was gone. 

I will agree with you ion this.

 

8 minutes ago, samran said:

What is lacking here is real leadership,

And on this.

 

8 minutes ago, samran said:

it’s populist none sense which has gotten you here, and it is showing

This not at all. So peoples believes are nonsense. What shall it be then Communism. Dictatorship. Military rule. 2 votes for those with a university degree. 1 for the lesser people.

 

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

Just wondering if there maybe any spare generals going later this month or a home grown one to restore some order to this shit shambles???? 

heard general Prayut reserved one way ticket for tomorrow

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Oh dear another original response and a bus. Ingenious.

 

There was a democratic referendum, There was also a GE. Regardless of peoples opinions or facts. Anyone who can say that it is a fact that this will happen after leaving the EU is quite frankly a fool, as we have not left yet. Suggestions and forecasts yes but facts, no they can't. Many MPs are going against their constituents wishes, as many are openly saying. How superior they are.

 

Here is just one example.

 

http://www.ukpol.co.uk/margaret-beckett-2017-speech-on-withdrawing-from-the-eu/

May I say at once that although I deeply regret the decision made by the British people, including in my constituency, to leave the EU, I do not seek to challenge it?

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8548383/brexit-mps-ignoring-leave-voting-constituents/

 

 

And yesterday there was a vote in Parliament.

[samran]

10 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I will agree with you ion this.

 

And on this.

 

This not at all. So peoples believes are nonsense. What shall it be then Communism. Dictatorship. Military rule. 2 votes for those with a university degree. 1 for the lesser people.

 

Two out of three ain’t bad.

 

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