Grouse Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I am an anti Islamist bigot. But I abhor this atrocity in New Zealand. I also have no time for white supremacists wherever they are It was a disastrous decision for George W and his poodle Tony Blair to invade Iraq. As a direct result, we have never ending war in the Middle East with zero benefit to the Western World. Trump continues to be an embarrassment to everyone. This atrocity in NZ was an act of pure terrorism. How long before some Islamic terrorist nutter walks into a church and murders 50 Christians in cold blood? Do we even know what religion this white supremacist claims to hold? I am a bigot because of the failure of Muslims to integrate into my home country, the UK. I am far happier with EU immigration than to have hoards of Muslims coming in. That makes me s bigot. I can live with that. But I do not hate Muslims; I just want them to integrate rather more and avoid creating ghettos in the UK. No need for unpleasantness. No need for moronic yobbos like Tommy Robinson et al. Frankly, our American cousins must Shoulder a good share of responsibility. Please, stay home and stop destabilising the world. I want social media to be compelled by law to stop broadcasting hate. If necessary shut them down. In fact use this as an excuse to shut them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, crouchpeter said: I thought "usvi's" comment was spot on, and logical. But, of course that's irrelevant to the left-wing fascists, who only want their own politically correct views to be heard. So you trot out the old cliche of racism, and tell him he's got nothing to say! Sent from my CPH1727 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Spot on? You can find the same type of speech in the murderer animals so called manifesto! So then you say, australian animal murderer killed 50 people in new zeland was spot on too? And this massacre is justified then? What a nonsense. Think before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, lannarebirth said: Actually, I think it was the killer himself who was a self described "communist eco-fascist". Dissembling (Look it up if you need to). If this guy had anything whatsoever to do with Communism, then his 90 page document would be packed with endless silly diatribes about the evils of Capitalism, and the glories of the Socialist workers republic. Instead it was a twisted concoction of right wing white supremacist vileness. The glories of the Socialist workers republic would have been quite a relief by comparison. (Although mind numbingly boring). Oh yes, and what in the world is an "Eco fascist", do they want to force people to spend more time talking to vegetables or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Tell us please, what is a 'white country'?Hopefully a country on mars where white trash supremacists live away from us. What a nonsense. White country! Same as murderer racist pig states in his so called manifesto trash. Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said: Dissembling (Look it up if you need to). If this guy had anything whatsoever to do with Communism, then his 90 page document would be packed with endless silly diatribes about the evils of Capitalism, and the glories of the Socialist workers republic. Instead it was a twisted concoction of right wing white supremacist vileness. The glories of the Socialist workers republic would have been quite a relief by comparison. (Although mind numbingly boring). Oh yes, and what in the world is an "Eco fascist", do they want to force people to spend more time talking to vegetables or something? I assume you're suggesting that the guy who described himself in this way was dissembling. Well, that's certainly a possibility. I don't put a lot of stock in what mass murderers have to say, but I do note it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thakkar Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 5 hours ago, usviphotography said: It doesn't happen on "both sides" though. There is are no organized White Terrorist Groups. There are certainly no organized White Terrorist Groups operating in Muslim countries. Islamic Terrorist Groups, on the other hand, do exist, and they operate within White Countries. Don't try do draw false equivalency. What happened in NZ was a one off. When you push a people to the brink, as people in the West have been pushed of late, eventually somebody is going to crack. That is all this was. An otherwise normal dude who just snapped. It is in no way shape or form comparable to what goes on on the other side. That is just a crazy thing to say. Yes, “one off” Each of the following, commited by white supremacists, were also one off: Tree Of Life Synagogue Mother Emanuel AME Church Oak Creek Sikh Temple Overland Park Jewish Center Islamic Center of Quebec City As to the rest of your comment, there is far too much muddled thinking, misinformation, and historical ignorance to unpack. I’ll see if I have time to get to it later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ParadiseLost Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Will Australia compensate the victims families? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I wonder if anyone in this thread has taken any time to actually read the shooters manefesto and his background. NZ is doing its absolute best to stop people from seeing it, going as far as shutting down ISP's and website banning, but its clear as day he wasn't a "white supremacist" and his motivation was not a hatred of muslims. It was to sow discord between people, which the left and their media have been doing since it started, ever-so-eager to stir the pot and blame and use whatever means necessary to take this situation and bash their opponents. Fact: People using this tragedy to blame the right are doing exactly what the shooter wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Thainesss said: I wonder if anyone in this thread has taken any time to actually read the shooters manefesto and his background. NZ is doing its absolute best to stop people from seeing it, going as far as shutting down ISP's and website banning, but its clear as day he wasn't a "white supremacist" and his motivation was not a hatred of muslims. It was to sow discord between people, which the left and their media have been doing since it started, ever-so-eager to stir the pot and blame and use whatever means necessary to take this situation and bash their opponents. Fact: People using this tragedy to blame the right are doing exactly what the shooter wanted. He certainly was (and is) a white supremacist. The "manifesto" is the usual junk formented by these people. It will be more than interesting when they trace his contacts back to Australia and overseas and I'll bet they will find a few militia groups in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gomangosteen Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Vigil in Wellington, NZ this evening. 11,000 in attendance Wellington weeps: Huge vigil mourns victims of Christchurch mosque shootings Virginia Fallon21:07, Mar 17 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: He certainly was (and is) a white supremacist. The "manifesto" is the usual junk formented by these people. It will be more than interesting when they trace his contacts back to Australia and overseas and I'll bet they will find a few militia groups in there. Funny because on the one hand you are without a doubt calling him a white supremacist, yet there is absolutely no evidence that he is one, while on the other calling his manefesto "junk". The shooter traveled all over the world, and was recently in Pakistan literally praising the country and its people (muslims). Even in his own words he was more of a communist than a right-wing white supremacist. Meaning he was a left winger. HE even described himself as an eco-terrorist. Left-winger. The evidence is right there for anyone who cares about the truth. He plugged celebrities and social media influencers in his manifesto as ammunition for people like you to use, and to sow discord. Make people fight each other. These are the facts and they are undeniable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thainesss said: Funny because on the one hand you are without a doubt calling him a white supremacist, yet there is absolutely no evidence that he is one, while on the other calling his manefesto "junk". The shooter traveled all over the world, and was recently in Pakistan literally praising the country and its people (muslims). Even in his own words he was more of a communist than a right-wing white supremacist. Meaning he was a left winger. HE even described himself as an eco-terrorist. Left-winger. The evidence is right there for anyone who cares about the truth. He plugged celebrities and social media influencers in his manifesto as ammunition for people like you to use, and to sow discord. Make people fight each other. These are the facts and they are undeniable. So..he shot Muslims? An eco-terrorist was he? He isn't sowing discord between you and I as we are just having a good old fashioned chinwag,aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thakkar said: When it comes to purveying BS, pretty sure white nationalists who long for a mythycal “white country” can go toe-to-toe with most religions! In reality, "white nationalists" (I mean real ones, not just what the left has taken to calling anyone on the right) are a minuscule, almost insignificant faction of people while extreme muslims are in the millions. Not only are they in the millions but they are completely open about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: So..he shot Muslims? An eco-terrorist was he? He isn't sowing discord between you and I is he? You believe its unreasonable for a psychopath to have a psychopath motive? Doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense to you, or me, we are talking about HIS motivation for doing it. The one in HIS mind. He visited North Korea, Pakistan, China. Praised them all, yet all of a sudden he kills muslims in the name of the white race? No. Even you have to be seeing cracks in that motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Odysseus123 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thainesss said: You believe its unreasonable for a psychopath to have a psychopath motive? Doesn't matter that it doesn't make sense to you, or me, we are talking about HIS motivation for doing it. The one in HIS mind. He visited North Korea, Pakistan, China. Praised them all, yet all of a sudden he kills muslims in the name of the white race? No. Even you have to be seeing cracks in that motive. From Wiki "The gunman live streamed the first 17 minutes of the attack on Facebook Live, starting with the drive to the mosque and ending with the drive away.[22] Moments before the shooting, the perpetrator—seated in his car—played both a traditional marching song of the British military called "The British Grenadiers" and "Serbia Strong", a Serb nationalist song from the Bosnian War (1992–1995) celebrating Radovan Karadžić, who was found guilty of genocide against Bosnian Muslims.[23][24] " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai Dee Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Topic re-opened. Multiple troll posts, personal attacks (flames), and off-topic posts have been removed as well as replies. Please continue the discussion in a mature manner like the adults you are all supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: From Wiki "The gunman live streamed the first 17 minutes of the attack on Facebook Live, starting with the drive to the mosque and ending with the drive away.[22] Moments before the shooting, the perpetrator—seated in his car—played both a traditional marching song of the British military called "The British Grenadiers" and "Serbia Strong", a Serb nationalist song from the Bosnian War (1992–1995) celebrating Radovan Karadžić, who was found guilty of genocide against Bosnian Muslims.[23][24] " So? All your doing here is taking everything at face value (shooters intent) instead of his motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 55 minutes ago, Thainesss said: Funny because on the one hand you are without a doubt calling him a white supremacist, yet there is absolutely no evidence that he is one, while on the other calling his manefesto "junk". The shooter traveled all over the world, and was recently in Pakistan literally praising the country and its people (muslims). Even in his own words he was more of a communist than a right-wing white supremacist. Meaning he was a left winger. HE even described himself as an eco-terrorist. Left-winger. The evidence is right there for anyone who cares about the truth. He plugged celebrities and social media influencers in his manifesto as ammunition for people like you to use, and to sow discord. Make people fight each other. These are the facts and they are undeniable. I suggest you're posting snippets. The killer was quite clear in articulating his white supremacist ideology, fascism, his admiration of previous white supremacist mass killers, Knights Templar etc etc etc etc. His reference to China was more than likely admiration for the architecture of an authoritarian State which also excels with suppression of minorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, gomangosteen said: Vigil in Wellington, NZ this evening. 11,000 in attendance Unfortunately, the other side of the coin: (yes, this very real) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, simple1 said: I suggest you're posting snippets. The killer was quite clear in articulating his white supremacist ideology, fascism, his admiration of previous white supremacist mass killers, Knights Templar etc etc etc etc. His reference to China was more than likely admiration for the architecture of an authoritarian State which also excels with suppression of minorities. You would be wrong. I dont know how much I can get away with posting on here but thats flat wrong. And lets be honest here, you're a hard lefty who hates the right with a passion so you certainly arent an unbiased observer either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jak2002003 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Galactus said: You are not criticising. You are just throwing the same ideas those white supremacists do. And what makes you think christianity or jewism is innocent?? What a bs. Jews kill palestinians, priests rape minors and some churches directly or indirectly support white supremacists like evangelist fascists where the christian australian animal murderer influenced from. You are naive or partial intentionally. All religions are bloody and none of them are innocent. But they brainwashed you and all your focus goes to muslim and that makes you partial and sound lioe another white trash supremacist. Fine, you really need to calm down and read what I am saying. Just because I pointed my dislike for Islam does not make me a brainwashed, white, raciest, fascist, trash, supremacist! You are very offensive and seem to be full of hate yourself the way you speak to people on here. I was never whitewashing these murders, nor have I ever made excuses for the evil guy that did this. It's is evil and sick and 100 percent wrong!. Are you clear now about how I feel? I am not brainwashed by religion.... I am atheist, a kind, calm and gentle person. I don't like any religions much and it frustrated me to see people wasting their lives with it... and they nearly all lead to division, discrimination and war... and these kind of terror attacks. I won't defend Islam religion though, same as I won't defend any other the other religions. Just because I pointed my dislike for Islam does not make me white raciest fascist trash supremacist. And of course I would mention Islam... because this is to do with the OP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Thainesss said: Funny because on the one hand you are without a doubt calling him a white supremacist, yet there is absolutely no evidence that he is one There is overwhelming evidence from the guy's own words that he is a white supremacist. In his manifesto, he says he wants, "To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our people." He later states that he is vehemently opposed to the "importation of non-whites to replace the native European populations." If those aren't the views of a white supremacist then I don't know what is. There are dozens of examples of similar white supremacist views in his rambling and incoherent diatribe. Incidentally, this moron seems totally oblivious to the vast irony (and rank hypocrisy) of a white Australian, carrying out an attack in New Zealand, on the basis that the people he is attacking are invaders guilty of taking over "our lands." I think the indigenous Australian and New Zealand populations might have a slightly different point of view as to who the "invaders" are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Thainesss said: I wonder if anyone in this thread has taken any time to actually read the shooters manefesto and his background. NZ is doing its absolute best to stop people from seeing it, going as far as shutting down ISP's and website banning, but its clear as day he wasn't a "white supremacist" and his motivation was not a hatred of muslims. It was to sow discord between people, which the left and their media have been doing since it started, ever-so-eager to stir the pot and blame and use whatever means necessary to take this situation and bash their opponents. Fact: People using this tragedy to blame the right are doing exactly what the shooter wanted. The terrorist is a white supremicist a member of the extreme right wing. Rather than telling us people are blaming the right for his actions, take a look at the right wingers on this forum offering excuses/justifications, blaming the victims, engaging in whataboutary and attempting to deflect from the fact that this mass killing terrorist is white, he’s an extreme right winger and a white supremicist. I suggest you start with your own contributions to this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainesss Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, GroveHillWanderer said: In his manifesto, he says he wants, "To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands, our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives, they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our people." So are we taking his manifesto at face value now, like its the truth? Or is it still "junk" as another poster stated? Ive read all 74 pages and its clear as day he is trying to commit the biggest and most horrible "troll" he could think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Thainesss said: You would be wrong. I dont know how much I can get away with posting on here but thats flat wrong. And lets be honest here, you're a hard lefty who hates the right with a passion so you certainly arent an unbiased observer either. Hard lefty - LOL I vote for Oz liberals, but I do loath the alt right / hard right. So far the killer has been associated with alt right / hard right messaging, even going so far as including Serbian Christians genocidal messaging against Muslims. The claims the guy is a communist is made by those from the 'right of centre', rather transparent is it not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Thainesss said: So are we taking his manifesto at face value now, like its the truth? Or is it still "junk" as another poster stated? Ive read all 74 pages and its clear as day he is trying to commit the biggest and most horrible "troll" he could think of. In general I’ll bow to your superior knowledge on trolling. But mass murder of innocent people is not trolling, to even suggest that the murders this piece of filth committed is ‘trolling’ is another example of you attempting to minimise and justify the atrocities he commited. Mass murder is not ‘trolling’. Have a word with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDeadSenter Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Thainesss said: You would be wrong. I dont know how much I can get away with posting on here but thats flat wrong. And lets be honest here, you're a hard lefty who hates the right with a passion so you certainly arent an unbiased observer either. I also read his manifesto yesterday, as Thainess stated the gunman was an extreme lefty eco-warrior/eco-fascist and hater of capitalism. Calling him a "far right" white supremacist would be a flat out lie, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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