Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Or called off because Brexit has turned out to be the utter shambles it was always going to be.

 

I'm with Margret Beckett on this. 

 

Put the shambolic deal back to the people. 

 

 

It didn't have to be a shambles.

 

Just because people have screwed up the process doesn't negate the validity of the decision to leave.

 

 

Put deal (when we have one) or no deal to the people by all means.

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or called off because Brexit has turned out to be the utter shambles it was always going to be.

 

I'm with Margret Beckett on this. 

 

Put the shambolic deal back to the people. 

Margaret Beckett is another self serving arrogant MP, she says she wants the deal to be put to the remainers, when infact she wants to totally cancel brexit.

As well as claiming £600 for hanging baskets, she is rediculed by the audience on Question Time, the good people of Grimsby for claiming £72,000 in expenses.

Jeremy Corbyn is the biggest Eurosceptic and has campaingned for 27 years to leave the EU, how all of a sudden has he been transformed into a Europhile.

 

 

The Brussels Broadcasting Corporation..partly funded by eu hq in brussels!!!

On Question Time there has been 36% appearances by leavers and 60% by remainers.
 
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26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or called off because Brexit has turned out to be the utter shambles it was always going to be.

 

I'm with Margret Beckett on this. 

 

Put the shambolic deal back to the people. 

"Back to the people".....Gutless!!!  Mp,s are paid to do a job .....so do your job. Putting it back to the people is just a Cop out,shifting the blame. You were given a job to do now get on with it...End of.

You can all start a "I told you so" thread 5 years from now if it all goes Tits up....or sooner if you like.....but lets Leave 1st.

51 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

There is a still a chance that common sense will prevail and the whole thing will be called off, and Article 50 revoked.

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So your common sense goes against not only the 17.4 million  people who voted leave but also the 16 million who voted to remain in the democratic, once in a lifetime binary referendum vote. So your common sense as you put it is that you know better.

 

I keep hearing how difficult it is to leave the EU, as if that's some justification for staying. It should be the opposite. Kept in an organisation that has so much bureaucracy and lacks transparency, should be enough for any sensible person and country, to avoid like the clap.

5 minutes ago, keithsimmonds said:

"Back to the people".....Gutless!!!  Mp,s are paid to do a job .....so do your job. Putting it back to the people is just a Cop out,shifting the blame. You were given a job to do now get on with it...End of. 

You can all start a "I told you so" thread 5 years from now if it all goes Tits up....or sooner if you like.....but lets Leave 1st.

I couldn't agree more. These self serving creatures who are supposedly representing the people are gutless. I would go for a GE, if they want to put it back to the people. The people have already spoken on the referendum and they want out. By all means put it back to the people ,so we can decide which MP's and how we want them to take us out of the EU.

 

I imagine there will be more than a few jumping to the Brexit party, so they could get reelected and keep their noses, in the trough.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

She makes the very clear point that the Brexit deal should be put to the public.

 

which one?

32 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

It didn't have to be a shambles.

 

Just because people have screwed up the process doesn't negate the validity of the decision to leave.

 

 

Put deal (when we have one) or no deal to the people by all means.

It is exactly the shambles I and many others said it would be.

 

But there you go, fail to plan, plan to fail. 

1 minute ago, Benroon said:

Exactly - any party brave enough to fight the election on a rejoin mandate will get in ! Sadly that appears to only be the Lib Dems and Greens

Thanks for that. Is this the same as 2017 when the Lib Dems got 11 seats and the Greens 1. I suppose that would be a victory. Even Labour claims in the last election ,that they won would make that claim ridiculous. why would they need to be brave. Would it be because the country really want to leave.

23 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

The Brussels Broadcasting Corporation..partly funded by eu hq in brussels!!!

 

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I watched it on Thursday and they do not even try to hide the fact and biased. Fiona Bruce just wouldn't answer the question when confronted by the Journalist who quite rightly pointed out the stats. also moving it from Manchester to London at the last minute, really shows their utter contempt.

 

If I lived in the UK I would be demanding my license fee back.

1 minute ago, Benroon said:

Not risible whatsoever - you voted for Brexit without a single clue of the outcome or catastrophic fallout of that decision (most not been felt yet) - you are 100% the authors of your own stupidity

Remainers ran it, remainers own it.

6 minutes ago, Benroon said:

The full extent of the stupidity wasn't known in 2017

???? Well thank you for your valuable insight. Maybe you should stand along with Vince Cable. How many Lib Dems and Greens been elected in by elections or local elections since 2017.

 

Shall we have another re run of that, why we are at it.

5 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Not risible whatsoever - you voted for Brexit without a single clue of the outcome or catastrophic fallout of that decision (most not been felt yet) - you are 100% the authors of your own stupidity

We are still waiting for 1 million people to lose their jobs after June 2016. House prices to crash by a third. I could go on and on but your Armageddon has been debunked countless times.

 

I am sure that you will be stocking up on Cornish Pasties, Fish and Plasters

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

We are still waiting for 1 million people to lose their jobs after June 2016. House prices to crash by a third. I could go on and on but your Armageddon has been debunked countless times.

 

I am sure that you will be stocking up on Cornish Pasties, Fish and Plasters

Brexit hasn't happened yet.

 

I could go on but Brexit has been debunked countless times. 

 

3 minutes ago, Benroon said:

'The people' ?

 

Thanks for highlighting more people voted for leave than any other. Well done you get a sticker for what we all know. So are you inferring that you would force all people to vote? So what happens when your pie chart shows 2/3rd of people vote leave.

2 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Is your only source George Osbourne ?

Do you know who he was? The Chancellor the man running the countries finance. So I guess you are admitting now that he lied.

2 minutes ago, Benroon said:

you claimed you were speaking on behalf of 'the people'

So please show me when I said "I am speaking on behalf of the people" or are you just presuming or talking rollocks.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

It is exactly the shambles I and many others said it would be.

 

But there you go, fail to plan, plan to fail. 

 

 

It is an easy target to criticise, but the failure rests with Cameron et al.

 

You cannot blame the electorate for the failings of government.

 

That is not a Brexiteer "blaming everyone else" as is often levied from the Remain side. Given the option to remain or leave I chose 'leave'. It is ONLY the fault of government that they been incapable of delivering what they promised (from Cameron, Chatham House onwards).

 

I would still choose to leave and I have not come across a leave voter who would vote differently if asked to do so again. That is not to say that some wouldn't but many have strengthened their resolve because of the failure of the Brexit process. Leave means leave could not have been more unequivocal.

3 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

It is an easy target to criticise, but the failure rests with Cameron et al.

 

You cannot blame the electorate for the failings of government.

 

That is not a Brexiteer "blaming everyone else" as is often levied from the Remain side. Given the option to remain or leave I chose 'leave'. It is ONLY the fault of government that they been incapable of delivering what they promised (from Cameron, Chatham House onwards).

 

I would still choose to leave and I have not come across a leave voter who would vote differently if asked to do so again. That is not to say that some wouldn't but many have strengthened their resolve because of the failure of the Brexit process. Leave means leave could not have been more unequivocal.

The system is rigged they will simply keep having a vote until it goes the way they want which is "remain".  You see you got to vote in the first place because they believed they could win but they didn't so time to revote.

Just now, Benroon said:

'The people' ?

 

 

 

 

Looking at that, you would find it hard to believe that the referendum generated a record 72.2% turnout, wouldn't you ?

 

General election turnout 1945 – 2017

Election Year	UK	England
2015	66.1%	65.8%
2010	65.1%	65.5%
2005	61.4%	61.3%
2001	59.4%	59.2%

 

 

 

37% in Newport recently.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Loiner:

 

I'm not sure you're right about the BBC which has been heavily pro- Brexit despite feeble attempts at balance.

 

You're right about the rest though. Personally I'm very thankful for all that has been done to save my country from the mistake that is Brexit. We're not over the line yet though.

 

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Are you out of your mind???? BBC pro brexit, that's the most absurd thing I think I've ever heard in my life

4 minutes ago, Benroon said:

So he is your only source then ? You only had to say.

No he was number 2 of the vote remain. Number 1 David Cameron the remain leader lied too. Do your own research.

 

Plus many others. again do your own research, that's if you can.

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It is exactly the shambles I and many others said it would be.

 

But there you go, fail to plan, plan to fail. 

You are such a visionary!

2 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

It is an easy target to criticise, but the failure rests with Cameron et al.

 

You cannot blame the electorate for the failings of government.

 

That is not a Brexiteer "blaming everyone else" as is often levied from the Remain side. Given the option to remain or leave I chose 'leave'. It is ONLY the fault of government that they been incapable of delivering what they promised (from Cameron, Chatham House onwards).

 

I would still choose to leave and I have not come across a leave voter who would vote differently if asked to do so again. That is not to say that some wouldn't but many have strengthened their resolve because of the failure of the Brexit process. Leave means leave could not have been more unequivocal.

During the pre referendum debate it was clearly argued that there is no deal better than membership and that any deal would require the UK to accept EU regulations and laws. It was also clearly argued that being outside of the EU but subject to the EU laws and regulations and with zero control over those laws was a very likely outcome if the UK wanted a trade deal with the EU.

 

And here the UK is with exactly that set of circumstances.

 

 

Hardline Brexiteers now arguing that the UK should leave without a deal, forgetting as they do so that 'leave without a deal' was a threat to get a deal not a desirable outcome for anyone. 

 

 

If you chose to ignore the warnings you have no business now blaming those who warned you.

 

Your argument that those who voted for Brexit bear no responsibility is an abdication of taking responsibility for the choice you made. 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Benroon said:

errrrr here

 

"The people have already spoken on the referendum and they want out"

 

I think the stress is getting to you

I can see you are not the brightest lamp in the street. So I never said or written down "I am speaking on behalf of the people"

 

I know you probably won't understand the difference. Never mind.

Where's Noel Edmonds when you need him?

1 minute ago, Benroon said:

Same team right ?

 

Shall I ask again - the new dawn post Brexit new era will be led by ………..?

Was there any other team for remain????????

 

Well I don't have a crystal ball and tend not to gamble unlike maybe others. I can tell you one thing for sure.

 

The Lib Dems will have nothing to do with anything.

1 minute ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Where's Noel Edmonds when you need him?

He has more chance of getting into Parliament than the Lib Dems winning anything.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

During the pre referendum debate it was clearly argued that there is no deal better than membership and that any deal would require the UK to accept EU regulations and laws. It was also clearly argued that being outside of the EU but subject to the EU laws and regulations and with zero control over those laws was a very likely outcome if the UK wanted a trade deal with the EU.

 

And here the UK is with exactly that set of circumstances.

 

 

Hardline Brexiteers now arguing that the UK should leave without a deal, forgetting as they do so that 'leave without a deal' was a threat to get a deal not a desirable outcome for anyone. 

 

 

If you chose to ignore the warnings you have no business now blaming those who warned you.

 

Your argument that those who voted for Brexit bear no responsibility is an abdication of taking responsibility for the choice you made. 

 

 

 

 

 

The choice we made was not delivered.

 

 

Had we left, and had to live with the consequences of that, then we could not bleat.

 

There was never a desire to leave AND be tied to EU laws etc. Out is out, not some half-assed midway deal. That is not say that many EU (or other group) regulations would not be mirrored by the UK.

 

If there is no appetite for a 'trade deal' then the market will find it's own level.

Are we still leaving on the 29th clutching what must be Boris's better deal out than in or not I would ask him but his cloak of invisibility seams impenetrable ????