Do you believe in God and why

[rumak]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Thanks for the concern.  The fist is holding up well.

That which cannot be harmed.  Hmm.  Let me think a spell.

Krypton!!!  No sh!t?!?!?!?!  Superman?  Wow!!  Wait'll I tell my 9 y.o. daughter.  We just watched your movie, Man Of Steel (2013) yesterday.  She's never gonna believe her pops is conversing with Superman.  Damn, she's in the shower right now.  Can you hang here for just a few more minutes until she's done?  This is gonna be all over her school tomorrow!  You are one hansum dude, too.  How do get on with the Thai ladies here?

   

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing.

 

try again.    you can do better .   but good to show the boys here how quickly your attempts to wow us with philosophy turn into just the normal attempts at one upmanship.

 

last word is yours.     but i think you do better quoting others than trying original material ( just trying to help )

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Seconded. 

"You are not a scientist " has become a sort of mantra for some people that I can't define for respect of public decency and forum rules.

The danger there is that they'll be making decisions over your life by the grace of their oversized brains and the common peon will be cut out of all decision making because we're too stoopid and must therefore heed whatever diktats the 'experts' make for us.  Does Covid ring a bell?

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, rumak said:

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing.

 

try again.    you can do better .   but good to show the boys here how quickly your attempts to wow us with philosophy turn into just the normal attempts at one upmanship.

 

last word is yours.     but i think you do better quoting others than trying original material ( just trying to help )

Hi Rumak, nice to see you again. 

What's going on ?

@Tippaporn was not saying anything offensive, i am surprised, btw we are of the same tribe, intellectually speaking ????

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, rumak said:

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing.

 

try again.    you can do better .   but good to show the boys here how quickly your attempts to wow us with philosophy turn into just the normal attempts at one upmanship.

 

last word is yours.     but i think you do better quoting others than trying original material ( just trying to help )

Dude, I was just having some honest fun with you.  Your first post was clever.  I appreciated it.  So I thought I'd play along with you.  Jai yen yen.

Hey, wait a minute!  I thought you said "that which cannot be harmed."  So now you're telling everyone you're butthurt?

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

The danger there is that they'll be making decisions over your life by the grace of their oversized brains and the common peon will be cut out of all decision making because we're too stoopid and must therefore heed whatever diktats the 'experts' make for us.  Does Covid ring a bell?

Yes, that was mainly what i was referring to.

What can we do if not try to help ourselves as best as we can ?

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, rumak said:

Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing.

 

try again.    you can do better .   but good to show the boys here how quickly your attempts to wow us with philosophy turn into just the normal attempts at one upmanship.

 

last word is yours.     but i think you do better quoting others than trying original material ( just trying to help )

On a serious note though, feel free to debate anything I've said.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Another bone of contention I have with science is that it's almost as if they rule out the ability of common men and women to ascertain true reality.  In other words, if you're not a scientist you're barred from knowing.  I call major BS on that.  The truth of this reality is to be found everywhere, especially in the living of life.  The information has existed in the past, it exists in the present, and it will always exist in the future.

Someone had forwarded me the episode of Dr. ZDogg and Dr. Hoffman earlier this year.  I tried to get through it but to me they were way off the rails.  So I noticed the link to that episode in the video you just posted and started watching again, thinking I had never seen it.  Since this theory was developed by Dr. Hoffman I thought I'd may as well get it directly from the horse's mouth.  After a few minutes I realised it was the same I had watch, or tried to watch, earlier.

Thanks for clarifying what you meant by non believer.

Dr ZDogg is a collector of others work, and sell it to his audience for views shopping little bit from everywhere. Not so different from most people who read, study, consume, feel, experience and so on to make up a decision, where others seek masters be it a educated priest or monk, or any guru out there with appeal to the audience. 
 

Science do not work with proofs that is a feeling, a hunch or personal experiences, they work with projects that can be reproduced within same measure and with same results by other scientists. Until proven it is only theory. But you know all this, but still confused when you referring to solid truths and easy to prove. 

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Cynicism shouldn't be confused with perceptiveness.  Perceptive people are not fooled by politicians.  Cynicism is, per it's definition, believing that people are motivated by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.

Cynicism develops when the excitement, hope, eagerness, joy, and wonder of life which is a hallmark of youth is replaced with it's opposite.

I have met very few people that are not motivated by self interest.

 

I used to be excited by life, hopeful and eager, but then I went nursing and it was the worst decision of my life. Anyone that thinks nurses are "angels" is deluded by the myth. While many ( but not all ) of those that are actual real nurses working with patients are wonderful people, many ( but not all ) managers are horrible bullies.

By the time I realised I'd gone down the wrong path it was too late to change for reasons that I'm not going to discuss.

Anyway, goodbye to excited by life, hope and eagerness, and hello to cynicism, and distrust of human sincerity or integrity.

 

No doubt you will accuse me of making excuses, but that's only your opinion and you don't know everything about me or my past to judge me.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

Dr ZDogg is a collector of others work, and sell it to his audience for views shopping little bit from everywhere. Not so different from most people who read, study, consume, feel, experience and so on to make up a decision, where others seek masters be it a educated priest or monk, or any guru out there with appeal to the audience. 
 

Science do not work with proofs that is a feeling, a hunch or personal experiences, they work with projects that can be reproduced within same measure and with same results by other scientists. Until proven it is only theory. But you know all this, but still confused when you referring to solid truths and easy to prove. 

Surely you can't be claiming that science has the tools to know anything about faith?

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Emotions come from thoughts.  Don''t believe me?  That truth is way too easy to check yourself whether it's true or false.  Anyone who understands that can much more easily see the thoughts which must be necessary to produce the feelings one is expressing. 

I've understood all that since the '70s.

Unfortunately, being positive doesn't last long when coming up against the many horrible people that had and have power over my life.

 

I'm still trying to work out if horrible people are the norm, or if I'm just unlucky. I doubt I'll find the answer any time soon.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

Unfortunate governments like we have experienced them, have been beneficial for all of us, and we had our shot to take as much advantage of the system if we wanted. 

Not all governments are beneficial, but neither are they irrelevant to our lives. Sadly, it's not possible to be a hermit these days as the lackies would be citing regulations as to why I can't live in a cave.

 

Perhaps they were not much better when they included religion, but at least they had some guiding principles to abide by ( as when the British government outlawed slavery ).

Since they abandoned religion, they apparently have no ethos other than self interest.

[Harsh Jones]

There must be some kind of God. Because life and the human condition could not be this bad without divine intervention. 

 

If we were just evolved from the big bang and everything was just random, life would probably be 50% better for everyone. Men would probably stand a chance of getting along with women. The work week would be half as long. Your chances on everything would be 50/50. Instead of 90/10 for the average person.

[mauGR1]

56 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm still trying to work out if horrible people are the norm, or if I'm just unlucky. I doubt I'll find the answer any time soon.

That's tricky, i think there's not 'black and white ' so to speak, but i am not too hopeful. 

On cynicism, which i prefer to call being realistic, i think that's a phase.

I'm trying, with some success, to improve myself, without worrying about what others think or do, as it's not wise to take on our shoulders the weight of all the madness in this world. 

If that's cynicism, well then I'm cynical too.

[Tippaporn]

Jerry Garcia's 80th birthday today, had he still been with us.

An apropos song for this thread.

 

The Wheel
(Garcia/Hunter/Kreutzmann)

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

Won't you try just a little bit harder,
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
Won't you try just a little bit harder,
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?

Round, round robin run round, got to get back to where you belong,
Little bit harder, just a little bit more,
A little bit further than you gone before.

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

Small wheel turn by the fire and rod,
Big wheel turn by the grace of God,
Every time that wheel turn 'round,
Bound to cover just a little more ground.

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

Won't you try just a little bit harder,
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
Won't you try just a little bit harder,
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
 

 

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Surely you can't be claiming that science has the tools to know anything about faith?

I made a statement based on a reply to tippaporn.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I made a statement based on a reply to tippaporn.

It's not an exclusive thread where you get to only communicate with one poster. That is what the PM function is for.

 

Do you have a reply to my question?

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Jerry Garcia's 80th birthday today, had he still been with us.

An apropos song for this thread.

 

The Wheel
(Garcia/Hunter/Kreutzmann)

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

Won't you try just a little bit harder,
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
Won't you try just a little bit harder,
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?

Round, round robin run round, got to get back to where you belong,
Little bit harder, just a little bit more,
A little bit further than you gone before.

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

Small wheel turn by the fire and rod,
Big wheel turn by the grace of God,
Every time that wheel turn 'round,
Bound to cover just a little more ground.

The wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
You can't let go and you can't hold on,
You can't go back and you can't stand still,
If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will.

Won't you try just a little bit harder,
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
Won't you try just a little bit harder,
Couldn't you try just a little bit more?
 

 

Good man.

Recently i heard what Bob Dylan had to say about him, not just a fine and innovative musician, but in general a lovely person. 

It has to be said though, that he chose heroin, like many of our generation, to come to terms with the wickedness of the world, so superman he was not.

[Tippaporn]

9 hours ago, Hummin said:

  

11 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Another bone of contention I have with science is that it's almost as if they rule out the ability of common men and women to ascertain true reality.  In other words, if you're not a scientist you're barred from knowing.  I call major BS on that.  The truth of this reality is to be found everywhere, especially in the living of life.  The information has existed in the past, it exists in the present, and it will always exist in the future.

Someone had forwarded me the episode of Dr. ZDogg and Dr. Hoffman earlier this year.  I tried to get through it but to me they were way off the rails.  So I noticed the link to that episode in the video you just posted and started watching again, thinking I had never seen it.  Since this theory was developed by Dr. Hoffman I thought I'd may as well get it directly from the horse's mouth.  After a few minutes I realised it was the same I had watch, or tried to watch, earlier.

Thanks for clarifying what you meant by non believer.

Dr ZDogg is a collector of others work, and sell it to his audience for views shopping little bit from everywhere. Not so different from most people who read, study, consume, feel, experience and so on to make up a decision, where others seek masters be it a educated priest or monk, or any guru out there with appeal to the audience. 

Science do not work with proofs that is a feeling, a hunch or personal experiences, they work with projects that can be reproduced within same measure and with same results by other scientists. Until proven it is only theory. But you know all this, but still confused when you referring to solid truths and easy to prove. 

Obviously everyone's level of understanding is different.  People will gravitate to those sources of information which provide them information they are ready to hear and in a format that is acceptable to them.  Just as I offer information which most are not ready to hear.  Just as I provide a Sethian format which is uncomfortable for most.

"But you know all this, but still confused when you referring to solid truths and easy to prove."

You create your own reality is a hard truth.  So how does one prove it?  Searching for evidence in one's past one's life one will find that it is chock full of personal experiences which bear this truth out, for one.  For another one can make conscious choices now of what they want their future to include and watch it 'miraculously' pan out.

Now I can relate dozens of my own personal experiences which provided me with proof that I create my own reality.  Another could heap their own doubt upon it in an attempt to invalidate it.  But as I've been saying all long, since I started in on this thread, do not think that every proof can be measured, quantified, held in your hand, seen with your two eyes, or perceived with any of your other senses, or even with a man-made physical device which can detect things a human cannot.

I've had far too many experiences with consciously creating my own reality to deny the reality of what I'm experiencing.  Science has done such a wonderful job of subverting, cheapening, depreciating and otherwise poo-poohing the validity of subjective reality that over many generations people have come to distrust and outright dismiss their own subjective reality.  They may have a quite valid subjective experience and pass it off as a mere figment of their imagination.  Or otherwise talk themselves into denying their own experience.  As in the well known exchange between old Jacob Marley and Ebeneezer Scrooge:

 

"You don't believe in me," observed the Ghost.

"I don't," said Scrooge.

"What evidence would you have of my reality beyond that of your senses?"

"I don't know," said Scrooge.

"Why do you doubt your senses?"

"Because," said Scrooge, "a little thing affects them.  A slight disorder of the stomach makes them cheats.  You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato.  There's more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!"

 

Scrooge expresses perfectly here the view of science in regards to subjective reality.

Hummin, would you deny your own experience if browbeaten by science, or any other Doubting Thomas, into submissive conformity?  I don't think you would.

[mauGR1]

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Science has done such a wonderful job of subverting, cheapening, depreciating and otherwise poo-poohing the validity of subjective reality that over many generations people have come to distrust and outright dismiss their own subjective reality.  

That's wicked science imho. 

A tool for a few oligarchs to turn the masses into submission. 

I think it will be a hard fight, but truth always wins.

It cannot be otherwise. 

And the truth is that the man is not born to be a slave.

[Tippaporn]

I will relate one personal experience with consciously creating my own reality.  I consider it my first attempt at doing so with full conscious awareness.

Years and years ago I was turned on to Seth by a waitress whom I ended up marrying.  At the time I was a bartender working a service bar in a pizzeria.  This waitress and I would engage in many deep conversations.

While we were dating we decided to try the Ouija board, which was the same method initially used by Jane Roberts and her husband, Robert Butts, which ultimately initiated communication with Seth.  We dedicated a notebook to record whatever responses might be forthcoming.  Which notebook, by the way I hold in my hands this moment.  We were able to receive communications on our first attempt, though most of it was in the form of one word answers to simple question we posed.  Our initial contact was with someone who went by the name of Stetson Ruwett and claimed to be a portion of my greater identity, or psyche.

As we progressed and our communications turned from single word answers to multiple full sentences I had proposed to her.  She accepted and we set a date just short of two months.  But it quickly dawned on us that the wedding we ideally wanted to have was well beyond our means.  I was earning good money as a bar tender but had no savings.  My future bride had earned damn good money as a waitress in a swank restaurant in downtown Chicago but she had recently quit and was presently unemployed.  She also had no savings.  We were unwilling to move our wedding date out so how in the world would we be able to fund a paid-in-advance $5,000+ (in 1980 dollars) extravaganza in less than two months?

 

We were doing the Ouija board almost daily and we did so on the day I proposed.  We'd begin with the usual question, "Do you have a message for us?"

"Yes, I do.  Create your own wedding."

"Could you be more specific?"

"Yes, I can."

"Well?"

"Forget about the money.  It should not stop you from doing what you want to do."

That was it; the entire extent of his advice.  And so we took his words to heart.  I cannot speak for my then-partner but I can for myself.  I had learned enough from Seth by then to understand that thoughts create reality.  And so I kept my thoughts on my goal and as doubts crept in I knew exactly what to do with them.  They go in one ear and immediately out the other.  I would not allow them to remain to entertain me.

Everything fell into place effortlessly and the money came from even the most unexpected and unimagined sources.  My father, for instance, living far away in Germany, sent $2,000.  That might not seem as anything unusual . . . unless you knew of our relationship.  We've never talked to each in our entire lives.  But that's another story.   Not only did enough money flow to us to pay for it all but when all was said and done we had excess to boot.

Now if anyone wants to call bullsh!t on this story and make a somehow valid claim that it was all due to luck, chance, happenstance, God, or whatever then you're more than welcome to do so.  I have endless stories to 'prove' that I create my own reality.  This small example also illustrates the truth that we use beliefs, as a painter uses paints, as the mechanism to create reality.
 

I do need to add that creating one's reality is not done alone.  We are not alone.

[Tippaporn]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've understood all that since the '70s.

Unfortunately, being positive doesn't last long when coming up against the many horrible people that had and have power over my life.

 

I'm still trying to work out if horrible people are the norm, or if I'm just unlucky. I doubt I'll find the answer any time soon.

I'll be perfectly blunt with you, TBL.  You may not like it but playing the victim keeps you the victim by your own choice.  What if I were to tell you that the perpetrator of a crime and their victim share similar beliefs?  Those similar beliefs play themselves out by assuming different roles.  The cops need the robbers as much as the robbers need the cops.

The truth is there are no victims in life.  If there are then those roles are chosen.  Each and every time.

[Sunmaster]

I fully agree with you @Tippaporn. I learned to co-create my reality even before reading about Seth (reading Kryon stuff for example), so what he said about it completely resonated with my own experiences. They go from small mundane ones like relying on my "parking angel" to get me a great spot even when it seems impossible, to major life changing things like moving to another country or starting a new career.
I also agree with what you said about thinking like a victim and consequent cynicism. I told TBL the same thing. Feeling like a victim takes away all your personal power and I will never submit to that.

[mauGR1]

24 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The truth is there are no victims in life.  If there are then those roles are chosen.  Each and every time.

That's a fair perception of the reality of nature. 

However, we are given the concept of "justice" for a reason. 

Once one has observed how different forces and realities work, one will have to choose a side.

Sitting on the fence is fine, but it's not enough of a reason for existing.

I believe that one can temporarily lose his path while looking for the truth, however, if one's effort is sincere, the truth itself will correct one's mistakes. 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Now I can relate dozens of my own personal experiences which provided me with proof that I create my own reality. 

I'm undecided about that, as if I create my own reality I must despise, hate and loath myself to create such a horrible reality.

 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm undecided about that, as if I create my own reality I must despise, hate and loath myself to create such a horrible reality.

 

There must be something good in your existence which deserves your love.

Our minds are like gardens, just take the tools, tend the good plants and get rid, or exert control on the bad ones.

[thaibeachlovers]

36 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

I fully agree with you @Tippaporn. I learned to co-create my reality even before reading about Seth (reading Kryon stuff for example), so what he said about it completely resonated with my own experiences. They go from small mundane ones like relying on my "parking angel" to get me a great spot even when it seems impossible, to major life changing things like moving to another country or starting a new career.
I also agree with what you said about thinking like a victim and consequent cynicism. I told TBL the same thing. Feeling like a victim takes away all your personal power and I will never submit to that.

While it's all very well to discuss things like chosen realities from the comfort of our chairs, many of us are actually real victims of all sorts of things. If I chose my life, then I also chose to get cancer and be mutilated to remove it, causing a drastic downturn in my enjoyment of life.

I have a problem believing that I hate myself so much I wished to have that happen. If I believe that, then I can also believe that I'm in the Matrix.

[Tippaporn]

48 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

I fully agree with you @Tippaporn. I learned to co-create my reality even before reading about Seth (reading Kryon stuff for example), so what he said about it completely resonated with my own experiences. They go from small mundane ones like relying on my "parking angel" to get me a great spot even when it seems impossible, to major life changing things like moving to another country or starting a new career.
I also agree with what you said about thinking like a victim and consequent cynicism. I told TBL the same thing. Feeling like a victim takes away all your personal power and I will never submit to that.

You have a "parking angel" too?  LOL  And here I thought I was the only one who had one of those.  Personally I love driving into an absolutely full parking garage and finding someone pulling out right at the entrance of a mall just a few seconds before I get there.  I always rib my wife about it. 

And I'm with you 100% regarding surrendering my personal power.  Never.  Being a victim absolutely sucks.

 

Edited August 2, 2022 by Tippaporn

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

There must be something good in your existence which deserves your love.

Our minds are like gardens, just take the tools, tend the good plants and get rid, or exert control on the bad ones.

I have plenty in my life that is good, eg 26 years nursing the sick and crippled, but it'd be easier to love life if it hadn't kicked me in the butt so many times.

It's entirely possible that my lesson in this existence is to learn to love despite being kicked in the butt so many times, but if that is so, I guess I failed. Perhaps the next time around will be different.

[thaibeachlovers]

34 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

That's a fair perception of the reality of nature. 

However, we are given the concept of "justice" for a reason. 

Once one has observed how different forces and realities work, one will have to choose a side.

Sitting on the fence is fine, but it's not enough of a reason for existing.

I believe that one can temporarily lose his path while looking for the truth, however, if one's effort is sincere, the truth itself will correct one's mistakes. 

 

 

Hmmmmm. Loads of people go through life just existing. I know one guy, not even that old that just sits outside smoking, and sometimes having a chat with his friends.

However, if that makes him content, who am I to say he should be doing something with his life to make it meaningful?

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The danger there is that they'll be making decisions over your life by the grace of their oversized brains and the common peon will be cut out of all decision making because we're too stoopid and must therefore heed whatever diktats the 'experts' make for us.  Does Covid ring a bell?

IMO add climate change and multiple genders to that list.

Edited August 2, 2022 by thaibeachlovers