Voip With Nokia Phone And Ais

[thaipulse]

Is someone using this? I"m not quite sure how to go about it. The nokia manual seems to neglect mentioning some 3rd party service, they just walk me through all the steps and it doesn't work...

I THINK it is supposed to work. I think they have their own service, but not sure. Perhaps my proxy server settings should be defined as I'm in a school staff room and there IS a proxy here.

Do I need a 3rd party - like skype or gizmo or other? Or, is AIS and Nokia hooking me up with free VOIP - which wouldn't make too much sense from AIS's standpoint... or Nokias I think... but, who knows...

[bangkokrick]

Can you enlarge on what you are trying to do? if you want to use VOIP on any Thai phone dial 009 country code and then the number. I can call the UK for around 6 baht per min.

[lomatopo]

I believe the OP has hopes of running a SIP/VoIP client on his hand-held device and using a GPRS data session to initiate a VoIP call, to either another VoIP end-point or to a gateway and on to a circuit-switched end-point (another mobile phone or fixed line). As I understand it, the latencies in the GPRS network are such that it would make a voice call challenging. EDGE doesn't help with these latencies. 3G networks should be able to support this application, and you might have a 3G (WCDM2000) capable device and this is what the Nokia user's guide may be referring to?

This would be different than say the eFone service (009) which might route calls over IP trunks.

edited to add: for "push-to-talk" applications the latencies in a the GSM/GPRS network might be acceptable?

[thaipulse]

Ok, I'll attempt to make it more clear.

I have a Nokia e65. It has WLAN and VOIP capability built in somehow I guess. It has a whole series of menus for configuring it.

I want to use the wireless at work - or anywhere there is a wireless lan to call using VOIP over the internet - to another phone - mobile or land-phone. Back to the USA.

During the configuration for VOIP in the manual it talks about using the wlan for the connection - nothing about 3G. Though the phone is 3G enabled, we don't have it here in Thailand I know. The manual assumes I'm using a WLAN.

In the manual, it's even called, "Net call".

Ok, I'll type it up quickly...

Net Calls

With the net call service you can make and receive calls over the internet.

Your device supports voice calls over the internet. Your device attempts emergency calls primarily over cellular netowkrs.

VOIP (voice over internet protocol) technology is a set of protocols that facilitate phone calls over an IP network, such as the internet. VOIP phone calls can be established between computers, between mobile phones, and between a VOIP device and a traditional telephone. To make or receive a VOIP call, your device must be within WLAN coverage, for example.

Then it goes on to explain in 2 pages how to change the settings to work...

I've configured it as it says, but...? Like I said, maybe the proxy server - but not sure.

I'll try at an internet cafe too -

Is there anyone doing this?

Yes, thanks, I'm aware of the 009 prefix and 008 prefix

I believe the OP has hopes of running a SIP/VoIP client on his hand-held device and using a GPRS data session to initiate a VoIP call, to either another VoIP end-point or to a gateway and on to a circuit-switched end-point (another mobile phone or fixed line). As I understand it, the latencies in the GPRS network are such that it would make a voice call challenging. EDGE doesn't help with these latencies. 3G networks should be able to support this application, and you might have a 3G (WCDM2000) capable device and this is what the Nokia user's guide may be referring to?

This would be different than say the eFone service (009) which might route calls over IP trunks.

[lomatopo]

Yes, it helps when one knows the make, model number and connectivity options. Clearly WiFi networks can support VoIP applications. Evidently the Nokia E65 could run an S60 or Symbian VoIP client but it's not clear to me that one is included with the phone out of the box?

You need a VoIP client on the hand-set.

You'll also need some sort of intermediary service to terminate your VoIP calls

[lomatopo]

Sorry, i just scanned the E65 User's Guide and it does have a SIP client installed.

Maybe have a look at this thread: http://forum.sipphone.com/viewtopic.php?t=2655

[bangkokrick]

Ok, I'll attempt to make it more clear.

I have a Nokia e65. It has WLAN and VOIP capability built in somehow I guess. It has a whole series of menus for configuring it.

I want to use the wireless at work - or anywhere there is a wireless lan to call using VOIP over the internet - to another phone - mobile or land-phone. Back to the USA.

During the configuration for VOIP in the manual it talks about using the wlan for the connection - nothing about 3G. Though the phone is 3G enabled, we don't have it here in Thailand I know. The manual assumes I'm using a WLAN.

In the manual, it's even called, "Net call".

Ok, I'll type it up quickly...

Net Calls

With the net call service you can make and receive calls over the internet.

Your device supports voice calls over the internet. Your device attempts emergency calls primarily over cellular netowkrs.

VOIP (voice over internet protocol) technology is a set of protocols that facilitate phone calls over an IP network, such as the internet. VOIP phone calls can be established between computers, between mobile phones, and between a VOIP device and a traditional telephone. To make or receive a VOIP call, your device must be within WLAN coverage, for example.

Then it goes on to explain in 2 pages how to change the settings to work...

I've configured it as it says, but...? Like I said, maybe the proxy server - but not sure.

I'll try at an internet cafe too -

Is there anyone doing this?

Yes, thanks, I'm aware of the 009 prefix and 008 prefix

I believe the OP has hopes of running a SIP/VoIP client on his hand-held device and using a GPRS data session to initiate a VoIP call, to either another VoIP end-point or to a gateway and on to a circuit-switched end-point (another mobile phone or fixed line). As I understand it, the latencies in the GPRS network are such that it would make a voice call challenging. EDGE doesn't help with these latencies. 3G networks should be able to support this application, and you might have a 3G (WCDM2000) capable device and this is what the Nokia user's guide may be referring to?

This would be different than say the eFone service (009) which might route calls over IP trunks.

Just for your information and i think this may apply to a Nokia wifi enabled handset. I have an Orange phone that is wifi enabled and runs on Windows mobile 5 software. I dowloaded skype to the handset chose the wifi option and i am able to make VOIP calls in any wireless environment. Maybe worth a try with the Skype smartphone software.

Cheers Rick

[thaipulse]

Thanks loma - I checked out the link and digested what I could. He had a link there for gizmo that I'll check out in a few minutes.

Thanks Rick for your suggestion too - yeah, skype would be my next guess but I wanted to make sure I wasn't able to just get VOIP for free with this phone.

I'll go to NOKIA help with this next to see if there exists some built-in sipphone service I can use to get it free.

If not, yah, Skype or gizmo seem pretty cheap!

Thanks guys for your help!

Vern

Ok, I'll attempt to make it more clear.

I have a Nokia e65. It has WLAN and VOIP capability built in somehow I guess. It has a whole series of menus for configuring it.

I want to use the wireless at work - or anywhere there is a wireless lan to call using VOIP over the internet - to another phone - mobile or land-phone. Back to the USA.

During the configuration for VOIP in the manual it talks about using the wlan for the connection - nothing about 3G. Though the phone is 3G enabled, we don't have it here in Thailand I know. The manual assumes I'm using a WLAN.

In the manual, it's even called, "Net call".

Ok, I'll type it up quickly...

Net Calls

With the net call service you can make and receive calls over the internet.

Your device supports voice calls over the internet. Your device attempts emergency calls primarily over cellular netowkrs.

VOIP (voice over internet protocol) technology is a set of protocols that facilitate phone calls over an IP network, such as the internet. VOIP phone calls can be established between computers, between mobile phones, and between a VOIP device and a traditional telephone. To make or receive a VOIP call, your device must be within WLAN coverage, for example.

Then it goes on to explain in 2 pages how to change the settings to work...

I've configured it as it says, but...? Like I said, maybe the proxy server - but not sure.

I'll try at an internet cafe too -

Is there anyone doing this?

Yes, thanks, I'm aware of the 009 prefix and 008 prefix

I believe the OP has hopes of running a SIP/VoIP client on his hand-held device and using a GPRS data session to initiate a VoIP call, to either another VoIP end-point or to a gateway and on to a circuit-switched end-point (another mobile phone or fixed line). As I understand it, the latencies in the GPRS network are such that it would make a voice call challenging. EDGE doesn't help with these latencies. 3G networks should be able to support this application, and you might have a 3G (WCDM2000) capable device and this is what the Nokia user's guide may be referring to?

This would be different than say the eFone service (009) which might route calls over IP trunks.

Just for your information and i think this may apply to a Nokia wifi enabled handset. I have an Orange phone that is wifi enabled and runs on Windows mobile 5 software. I dowloaded skype to the handset chose the wifi option and i am able to make VOIP calls in any wireless environment. Maybe worth a try with the Skype smartphone software.

Cheers Rick

[thaipulse]

I printed out the instructions for the e61 VOIP SIP setup with pboxes and gizmo - I'll try to make that work tonight. The guy claims he does it even from a GPRS connection on his phone... hmm. Coolstuff.