Why the Chinese are infinitely more important than Western tourists to Thailand

[malibukid]

18 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

The smart move is to accept that it will be China's world soon that the rest of us will be living in. And prepare accordingly.

 

A few phrases like

How are you? Yes, master. No, master. As you desire.

in Mandarin should be good.

 

But, seriously, I walk by King Power on Soi Rangam, which is Chinese tourists ground 0, every day and some of their women are majorly bangable. Prying them loose from their tour group is another matter but that's where language skills would help.

or how about "do you like to party"

[Shiver]

17 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

Probably not as English is an important language in China.  English speakers in China is over 200 million and rising, with 50 million secondary school children now studying the language

Well.....
"Know your enemy".

[Eric Loh]

40 minutes ago, Bipolar said:

As an educated thai, I prefer to have more Asians in Thailand be it Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Koreans, Malaysians etc. After all we are Asians and we have better cultural values than the Westerners! Yes, there are the good and bad and the poor and the rich, the educated and the uneducated , the losers and the winners in all different races etc, Unfortunately when it comes to Thailand and in terms of farangs, it tends to attract out of a 100% of farangs who come here , at least 90% who are losers, (ie those who could not make in their own countries!, sex tourist and criminals and yes also  whingers. Also most of  the so called working farangs here are the ones that are stealing jobs from the thais ie websites developers, so called digital online marketing professionals, media companies etc and most of them do not support local thais etc. Had a bad experience with two media companies, one based in Pattaya and  another in Phuket, both were reluctant to help a thai start-up get coverage despite even wanting to pay as these scumbags felt threatened by the thai start-up and one , the one based in Pattaya even tried to steal some ideas from the thai start-up. Already in the midst of gaining more support from agencies and top level thais and soon even online to rid thailand of these scum! There are some nice westerners who have contributed greatly to thailands development and also some that are living here as expats with their western wives and families and are decently behaved and are really welcomed in this country, but again these are only a minority. 

We ought to respect the cultural differences of the East and West if Thailand aim to be the good host for tourists.   

[MaxLee]

Well yep, because Chinese are also "Save-Face" - B*****s

[Jimdandy]

Don't forget, China is still a communist country and with one fell swoop of a word from 'The Leader' they're gone. I bet you dollars to donuts as soon as another country gives them a better deal, they're out. I taught in China and lived there. They only loyalty they have these days is to money. They don't care where it comes from.

 

As far as population goes, Less than 10% of Chinese have passports, which means the other 90% is not coming. At the World Economic Forum in Davos yesterday, Ctrip CEO Jane Sun predicted the number of Chinese passport holders would grow to 240 million by 2020. Currently, about 120 million Chinese citizens hold passports, about 8.7 percent of the population. Jan 26, 2018.

 

I had a student who will Never get a passport because her daughter never came back from a trip to Canada in the 1990s. The government is punishing her for her daughter's decision. Many don't want a passport because they do not earn enough to travel anywhere.

 

Don't believe the hype! All of them are not coming to Thailand. There's Dubai, USA markets, European markets, South American markets and Oceana markets. They are still heading to those destinations. Don't forget Singapore.

 

Thailand still needs expats more than expats need Thailand. They just haven't figured that out yet.

[shady86]

No insult to Western tourists but Asian tourists would spend more than Western tourists.

Look at hotels, Western tourists mostly stay in cheap motels and hostels while Asians dont mind paying for decent hotels.

Its the same in Western countries too, you see more Chinese tourists and they are willing to spend!

 

The world has changed and everywhere depends on Chinese tourists. 

Nobody welcomes tourists who are not willing spending and looking for budget tourism.

[pierrenoel]

38.5 millions tourist in thailand and 10 millions chineise it is not 57%.ATTA it is not good,GO  BACK TO SCHOOL

[Jimdandy]

57 minutes ago, Bipolar said:

As an educated thai, I prefer to have more Asians in Thailand be it Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Koreans, Malaysians etc. After all we are Asians and we have better cultural values than the Westerners!

You sound just like the Germans from the 'master race' era. Remember that! What have Asians 'brought to the global table'? Where was electricity developed? where was the internet developed? The same technology that allows you the platform to make such stupid uneducated statements as you did here? You sound like the educated fool that you are.

[Dice Man]

Is this alleged Chinese Expenditure every day ie 365 days a year? My expenditure pa here varies dependent upon  tasks to do but is $35 to 45,000 pa  Bit more than a chinese Tourist over 14 day holiday and my cash is spent with THAI Recipients

[bizboi]

19 hours ago, NotYourBusiness said:

Another humbling graphic (only 20 years away):

 

When I see projections like this Im always a little bit skeptical - and note it IS nominal GDP. Too many variables for this to be accurate

[ThomasThBKK]

No insult to Western tourists but Asian tourists would spend more than Western tourists.
Look at hotels, Western tourists mostly stay in cheap motels and hostels where Asians prefer decent hotels.
Its the same in Western countries too, you see more Chinese tourists and they are willing to spend!

Sure mate,

Ever went to koh kood, lanta, samui and co in a 5 star resort?... Or are you just making stuff up?

Our friends 5 star phuket resort is 40% unoccupied this year. Maybe it's too cheap for the chinese and indians
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[howbri]

Chinese start their children on English lessons as early as 2 or 3. I taught in Shanghai for 4 years and everyone wanted to be my friend to improve their English.

[Letseng]

2 hours ago, mercman24 said:

There is more to the economy than tourism.  tourist might spend more versus the European tourists, they are missing one important fact, they dont to factor in  EX PAT contributions. (those who live here full time, (ok this is about TOURISM) but they never come up with stats as to our input ,into the Thai economy, per year, i bet its a dam sight more than a 2 week spending  Chinese tourist, my spends are well over 1-5 milion baht per year, and dont forget the 400,000 in a Thai bank doing S.F.A. is there are figure for long time ex pats, i have never seen one ??. 

I wonder how much the input is of people who can live on 40.000 Bht/month? Who have a problem to have 800.000/year for ret.ext.?

How many $millionaires are here on retirement?

Westerners still don't want to see that China has long since overtaken Europeans re spending because Chinese can afford it. 

I see this on our yearly summer holidays in Salzburg. Chinese don't advertise their wealth, they go and spend 40.000€ on a watch without hesitation. The security guard outside the shop didn't want to let the guy in.

Time to wake up.

[shady86]

Sure mate,

 

Ever went to koh kood, lanta, samui and co in a 5 star resort?... Or are you just making stuff up?

 

Our friends 5 star phuket resort is 40% unoccupied this year. Maybe it's too cheap for the chinese and indians

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Too bad, maybe their wrong pricing strategy?

 

Try checking around who stays at cheap motels and hostels. Troublemakers from West!

 

[JohnOFphon]

Imagine the numbers if the Chinese were allowed to build casinos.

[ThomasThBKK]

Too bad, maybe their wrong pricing strategy?

Try checking around who stays at cheap motels and hostels. Troublemakers from West!

Sure man, every backpacker is a hardcore criminal unlike those rich chinese who honestly earned their moneys[emoji23][emoji120][emoji120]

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[Tony125]

18 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Yea but how much of that went on fixing up sick Buffalo ..

You realize that China has a surplus of men because of their  1 child per family policy so in time you will see Chinese men coming over and getting Thai brides. Why marry a fat older westerner when you can marry a well off young Chinese guy. As far as buying things  (even if they resell in China) take a look at Terminal 21 Pattaya and other large malls you will see many Chinese walking around with luggage (on wheels) buying stuff and putting in luggage bags. There are even signs in some malls saying luggage holding areas where they can store their full luggage (of stuff the just bought) and return to shop with new luggage they bought and filled up at mall. A lot of them speak English as well. I helped 2 (cute) Chinese girls find something at Terminal 21 Pattaya and they started talking to me in English asking did I know where such and such was.

[Thaidream]

42 minutes ago, Kasane said:

Low income, bar stool dwellers, old farangs whose days of faking income through false affidavits. Don't take it personally. But you can google for the answers that you are seeking.

I don't need to google anything about Thailand as I stated I have been around and in Thailand for almost 50 years. I can guarantee I have seen the good; the bad; and the ugly among  both foreigners and locals.

You seem to think all of 'old' people are poor; lie and cheat; sit in bars all days and are generally people of ill repute.

 

Actually what I see is much different- I see most of the Foreign elderly as well to do; living quiet lives;  interested in the theatre or Arts and those who are married  taking care of Thai children sired by runaway Thai fathers and assisting other  extended family members.

 

Some of us do sometimes stop in our local pub to have  some conversation; enjoy a meal or have a beverage.  i didn't know that was against the law or caused a stir  from anyone. The majority of people I see interacting with the local population are polite; respectful and simply live and let live.

 

You obviously  have a very low opinion of Westerners.  While I have seen many Westerners drunk;  bar girls in tow; and generally make a fool of themselves- it is a minority and usually in places such as Pattaya or Phuket which seem to welcome this type of behavior.  

 

I don't stereotype someone because of their age; skin color; ethnic background or anything else. You might try the same- it makes life much more livable.

[ThomasThBKK]

You realize that China has a surplus of men because of their  1 child per family policy so in time you will see Chinese men coming over and getting Thai brides. Why marry a fat older westerner when you can marry a well off young Chinese guy. As far as buying things  (even if they resell in China) take a look at Terminal 21 Pattaya and other large malls you will see many Chinese walking around with luggage (on wheels) buying stuff and putting in luggage bags. There are even signs in some malls saying luggage holding areas where they can store their full luggage (of stuff the just bought) and return to shop with new luggage they bought and filled up at mall. A lot of them speak English as well. I helped 2 (cute) Chinese girls find something at Terminal 21 Pattaya and they started talking to me in English asking did I know where such and such was.

The reselling stuff btw is because many luxury brands refuse to set up shops in china. Due to fakes, local business restrictions etc.

Many Chinese buy hermes bags for example just to resell them in china.

They artificially limit the amount of products/country for price gauging reasons...


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[DrTuner]

11 minutes ago, JohnOFphon said:

Imagine the numbers if the Chinese were allowed to build casinos.

I'd prefer that, build them in Nakhon Nowhere and let the flies go to the turd, leave the habitable areas to others.

[tifino]

but just what is it? apart from the Diesel for their bus, that Chinese spend their money on?

 

maybe is it packaged Thai rice powder? to take home to supplement their plasticised rice

 

thinking laterally; they come to Australia, to buy up big on baby milk powder.

 

 

(they are not really tourists! - they come for business)

[ramr]

Roll the dice, Thailand, by all means.

 

Becoming a Chinese protectorate/shopping mall/cheap labor force over the next few decades might be a net good for the country, who knows?  As if that process hadn't already begun before the tourists.

 

I'm sure they'll treat your country's culture and what's left of your natural beauty about as well as they have their own... Maybe it will all work out to be a net gain, maybe not.

[ThomasThBKK]

https://e360.yale.edu/features/the-toll-of-tourism-can-southeast-asia-save-its-prized-natural-areas

 

Good article about the damages caused by mass tourism in SEA. 

 

But i guess Yale is not considered a reputable source here ????

[marcusarelus]

15 minutes ago, tifino said:

but just what is it? apart from the Diesel for their bus, that Chinese spend their money on?

 

maybe is it packaged Thai rice powder? to take home to supplement their plasticised rice

 

thinking laterally; they come to Australia, to buy up big on baby milk powder.

 

 

(they are not really tourists! - they come for business)

Chinese tourists are the biggest spenders in the world. Last year, their tourism receipts totalled US$258 billion, almost twice that of runner-up USA.

 

There is an economic boom of Chinese travellers globally. Because Chinese goods generally cost 21% more than the global average in 2017, international mobility allows Chinese travellers to make their purchases abroad.

According to a study by Bain, the Chinese account for 32% of all spending on personal luxury goods. However, for many years, they have done most of their buying outside of China.

http://www.chatchat.com/the-rise-of-chinese-millennial-shoppers/

 

[Tony125]

19 minutes ago, tifino said:

but just what is it? apart from the Diesel for their bus, that Chinese spend their money on?

 

maybe is it packaged Thai rice powder? to take home to supplement their plasticised rice

 

thinking laterally; they come to Australia, to buy up big on baby milk powder.

Maybe you haven't been in Terminal 21 Pattaya but the place is loaded with Chinese buying up all kinds of stuff and putting it in wheeled luggage they tow around with them. Even if they go to a lot of shops/restaurants owned by Chinese that live here those Chinese spend their money buying goods, property, food, fuel, cars, etc here so the money still trickles down to Thai. Even if farangs spend more per person than Chinese the sheer numbers who are arriving will outweigh the westerner's amounts. Also, I bought a condo in Jomtien and was waiting for a van to pick me up and take me back to my car. 5---6 Chinese couples came in looking to buy a condo. One woman asked how much and then opened an attache case and took out stacks of US dollars and paid cash for it. A lot have far more money than the average westerner. My cousin in California ( a real estate agent) tells me Chinese are coming over and buying up property all over the state driving home prices up.

[Lupatria]

5 hours ago, BobbyL said:

Probably time to invest in some ear plugs. I can't stand being around them. 

Earplugs? Better avoid "all you can eat" outlets. That's when you need full combat gear...

[Lupatria]

20 minutes ago, tifino said:

they come to Australia, to buy up big on baby milk powder.

...in hope to finally grow up faster?

[DrTuner]

21 minutes ago, tifino said:

but just what is it? apart from the Diesel for their bus, that Chinese spend their money on?

 

maybe is it packaged Thai rice powder? to take home to supplement their plasticised rice

 

thinking laterally; they come to Australia, to buy up big on baby milk powder.

 

 

(they are not really tourists! - they come for business)

Out of curiosity, do they smuggle their wares through the Chinese customs, or do they just add markup to the price they get back in China? Like the good old days in CCCP when you could buy half of Moscow with a pair of Levi's.

[DrTuner]

5 minutes ago, Lupatria said:

Earplugs? Better avoid "all you can eat" outlets. That's when you need full combat gear...

It only takes one table of Chinese in a restaurant to render the place worse than a construction yard.

[DrTuner]

8 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

One woman asked how much and then opened an attache case and took out stacks of US dollars and paid cash for it. 

Money laundering 101. Good luck depositing it.