Thai Medical Visa / Emergency

[Injured]

5 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Injured  I used to work with CDN immigration in a High commission/embassy.  The immigration people can issue you with a visa and in a lot of cases, they get caught up in the song an dance or sob story (not to belittle your issues).  However, almost every flight that went to England or had a chance to transfer the person to a CDN flt had an immigration officer at the gate checking again.  Even if you have a visa it does not mean that the country has to let you in or accept it if they feel that it not a good visa or reason.   I agree with other posters that you did not, unfortunately, do any due diligence..  The fact that you personally went to the embassy tells me that while you may have been ill you were not ambulatory.  Contacting a Thai hospital and having them establish that they were going to send an ambulance to get you would have helped your case walking through the border would make me wonder how bad you are. SOrry

1. I had come out of Iraq from work. I was already on the barring order.

2. Each embassy handles protocols differently.3 the embassy was aware. I coordinated with advice. .

4. I was under a Doctors 'no-fly' order. No travel over 2 hours. Over that to be accompanied.

5. If you are not being under transport you are not serious. However, some only deal with hospitals. There is no treatment for stroke in Asia. Its hospital stay.. I was already out of country.

6. Due diligence is an opinion. I had a worthless lawyer fot advice and he bailed out.

7. The embassy help as a last resort. Not all countries are the same. You were 1 admin. Any serious injury or illness can be assisted if not treatable in the present country.

8. My condition was first diagnosed by Thai doctors. I was instructed to return to them.

Sometimes other reasons can be used by authorities thinking it can solve other problems.

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[Just Weird]

On ‎5‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 4:37 PM, Injured said:

Seemed Thai Embassy thought it was worth a visa.

Maybe immigration only deals with runaways? But, I believe some people do not belong Council of Human Rights?

Thailand is a member but, unfortunately, you do not have any rights, human or otherwise, to expect support for you to enter a country from which you are knowingly banned.

[Injured]

19 minutes ago, Leaver said:

You could have went to a number of other countries for treatment, Singapore being the closest, and with a high standard.

 

You only thought to Thailand.  Why was that? 

Originally Diagnosed by Thai Doctors . They expected me to return for more test and evaluation.

[Just Weird]

On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 10:04 PM, Injured said:

I lost health due to physical damage due to Thai Immigration. 

They try to be a medical center.

Maybe they rather cater to runaways in the airport lounge.

"I lost health due to physical damage due to Thai Immigration". 

No, you probably didn't, you put yourself at risk trying to enter a country from which you were knowingly banned (are you still banned?).

 

"They try to be a medical center".

If you're referring to Thailand as portraying itself a medical tourist destination, it is, and it has been very successful with that aim.  The thing that Thailand, or any other country including the US, does not do is provide medical treatment for people who are not in the country and who are banned from being there.  Sorry.

[Injured]

2 minutes ago, Injured said:

Originally Diagnosed by Thai Doctors . They expected me to return for more test and evaluation.

Also, highest cost.

If you had a sickness or injury, you  let your kids or parents hop countries? Plus away from family?

You go a place you are aware.

 

[Injured]

10 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Thailand is a member but, unfortunately, you do not have any rights, human or otherwise, to expect support for you to enter a country from which you are knowingly banned.

Check again. Thank you.

[emptypockets]

2 minutes ago, Injured said:

Check again. Thank you.

I don't think be needs to check.  You have already confirmed this by being denied entry. 

I find this whole thread very confusing. 

[Leaver]

16 minutes ago, Injured said:

Also, highest cost.

If you had a sickness or injury, you  let your kids or parents hop countries? Plus away from family?

You go a place you are aware.

 

The best place you are "aware" is The US.

 

Just because you were diagnosed in Thailand, doesn't mean you couldn't been treated somewhere else. 

 

Do you have insurance? 

 

Anyway, why were you blacklisted?   

Edited May 5, 2019 by Leaver

[EricTh]

On 5/4/2019 at 4:48 PM, Injured said:

Misdiagnosed in Thailand to begin. Their glaucoma turned actual brain disease in connectipn to eye nerve. Diagnosed by doctor in USA. Only hospital that may have caught it would have been Bumrungard. My US specialist taught there. Thanks

I don't know why you didn't go to Singapore. Singapore has world class doctors who can speak excellent English. 

 

It's much nearer than USA to fl when in emergency

[Injured]

3 hours ago, Just Weird said:

"I lost health due to physical damage due to Thai Immigration". 

No, you probably didn't, you put yourself at risk trying to enter a country from which you were knowingly banned (are you still banned?).

 

"They try to be a medical center".

If you're referring to Thailand as portraying itself a medical tourist destination, it is, and it has been very successful with that aim.  The thing that Thailand, or any other country including the US, does not do is provide medical treatment for people who are not in the country and who are banned from being there.  Sorry.

Sorry, didnt check? Thailand has a National Council. Not UN. 'National'  look the difference.

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I didnt? You an esteem doctor? You perform to diagnose by tarot card or palm reading? Its nobodys fault unless you do not assist or check. Other countries have laws. Dont assist and see. The Thai Embassy took a stand in issuing the visa. Maybe they saw something others didnt see or lacking in smarts? I love a lost eye, paralyzed hand. That remark is showing educational value and integrity.

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Hospital Center. Yes, for transvestites as its widely known. If its just coming into hypertension, it may be a little behind? Bumrungard is widely known.

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Denied entry due to ban? Or forced back to home country. How many families, wives, kids were separated by this law to save national security? Well, i heard a new computer system was hacked, Security at the airport lacking. Whats the priority? Somebody dropped the ball. Families being separated or airport security?

Letting banned people? Sorry again. Its not international or people under investigation would not gain entry. Thailand had no knowledge of who was in the country. It performed only thinkable. Get rid of everyone and start over with a 21st century system on accountability.  Im just a small speck. Thank you 

[pontious]

Answer the question - why are you banned from Thailand.?

[BritTim]

4 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

Injured  I used to work with CDN immigration in a High commission/embassy.  The immigration people can issue you with a visa and in a lot of cases, they get caught up in the song an dance or sob story (not to belittle your issues).  However, almost every flight that went to England or had a chance to transfer the person to a CDN flt had an immigration officer at the gate checking again.  Even if you have a visa it does not mean that the country has to let you in or accept it if they feel that it not a good visa or reason.   I agree with other posters that you did not, unfortunately, do any due diligence..  The fact that you personally went to the embassy tells me that while you may have been ill you were not ambulatory.  Contacting a Thai hospital and having them establish that they were going to send an ambulance to get you would have helped your case walking through the border would make me wonder how bad you are. SOrry

I agree with your conclusion that the OP was unlikely to be admitted to Thailand. However, you should be aware that the relationship between embassies and immigration, as well as immigration law, are not comparable between Canada and Thailand. For a start, the embassies/consulates are under the direction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (there are no representatives of immigration embedded there) and the Immigration Bureau is a branch of the Thai police under the Interior Ministry. Further, Thai immigration law, in theory, lists specific reasons why immigration should deny entry, with officials not given the discretion to deny entry for other reasons, nor admit those who should be denied entry. Only the Minister has the power to arbitrarily allow or deny entry.

 

Under the circumstances, an immigration official could only have admitted the OP by breaking the law, and only a big bribe would ever have had a good chance of inducing the official to do that.

 

Thai embassies do not have direct access to immigration's system (unless this has changed over the last year). The consul could, of course, email his counterparts in immigration to request the immigration status of a specific individual, but this is rarely done in practice, and certainly not during visa processing. If the OP informed the embassy about the blacklisting, and the embassy issued the visa anyway, this was incompetence on the part of the consular officials (who should know the OP would never be allowed into the country) but, sadly, incompetence by Thai consular officials is closer to the norm than the exception in anything other than routine cases.

[Injured]

4 minutes ago, pontious said:

Answer the question - why are you banned from Thailand.?

Overstay - no other offense. 

I suffered a stroke in thailand with an overstayed a visa. I was disabled. No, i could not make a hospital. I could not walk for months to regain enough strength and voice to move.

If I go to a hospital, I am arrested by law. Once well, deported. Once capable, I was checked by a Thai Hospital and left the country in a wheelchair.  Thai hospital can do nothing for strokes. You rest and rehab. 

Because of my health I petitioned for entry to fulfill doctor direction to visit on return. I was not attempting to void the barring order. That could have been in conjunction with the police hospital. Thai Immigtation had every document and I was informed went to the top official.  Did it?

[Injured]

2 minutes ago, BritTim said:

I agree with your conclusion that the OP was unlikely to be admitted to Thailand. However, you should be aware that the relationship between embassies and immigration, as well as immigration law, are not comparable between Canada and Thailand. For a start, the embassies/consulates are under the direction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (there are no representatives of immigration embedded there) and the Immigration Bureau is a branch of the Thai police under the Interior Ministry. Further, Thai immigration law, in theory, lists specific reasons why immigration should deny entry, with officials not given the discretion to deny entry for other reasons, nor admit those who should be denied entry. Only the Minister has the power to arbitrarily allow or deny entry.

 

Under the circumstances, an immigration official could only have admitted the OP by breaking the law, and only a big bribe would ever have had a good chance of inducing the official to do that.

 

Thai embassies do not have direct access to immigration's system (unless this has changed over the last year). The consul could, of course, email his counterparts in immigration to request the immigration status of a specific individual, but this is rarely done in practice, and certainly not during visa processing. If the OP informed the embassy about the blacklisting, and the embassy issued the visa anyway, this was incompetence on the part of the consular officials (who should know the OP would never be allowed into the country) but, sadly, incompetence by Thai consular officials is closer to the norm than the exception in anything other than routine cases.

Spot on Tim - well done!!! Thanks.

[Just Weird]

 

14 hours ago, Injured said:

I didnt? You an esteem doctor? You perform to diagnose by tarot card or palm reading? Its nobodys fault unless you do not assist or check. Other countries have laws. Dont assist and see. The Thai Embassy took a stand in issuing the visa. Maybe they saw something others didnt see or lacking in smarts? I love a lost eye, paralyzed hand. That remark is showing educational value and integrity.

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Hospital Center. Yes, for transvestites as its widely known. If its just coming into hypertension, it may be a little behind? Bumrungard is widely known.

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Denied entry due to ban? Or forced back to home country. How many families, wives, kids were separated by this law to save national security? Well, i heard a new computer system was hacked, Security at the airport lacking. Whats the priority? Somebody dropped the ball. Families being separated or airport security?

Letting banned people? Sorry again. Its not international or people under investigation would not gain entry. Thailand had no knowledge of who was in the country. It performed only thinkable. Get rid of everyone and start over with a 21st century system on accountability.  Im just a small speck. Thank you 

"I didnt? You an esteem doctor?"

It's seems that English probably is not your native language but, even so, my comments to you were made on the basis of your own comments, if what you posted was inaccurate then perhaps you should have made your real situation clearer.

 

"The Thai Embassy took a stand in issuing the visa".

The Thai Embassy did not "take a stand" for you, it just issued a visa that does not necessarily guarantee anyone entry to a country.

 

"Hospital Center. Yes, for transvestites as its widely known".

Transvestites?  What?

 

"Denied entry due to ban? Or forced back to home country".

It's very clear that you were denied entry "due to ban" [sic], you said so yourself.

 

"Denied entry due to ban? Or forced back to home country. How many families, wives, kids were separated by this law to save national security? Well, i heard a new computer system was hacked, Security at the airport lacking. Whats the priority? Somebody dropped the ball. Families being separated or airport security?

Letting banned people? Sorry again. Its not international or people under investigation would not gain entry. Thailand had no knowledge of who was in the country. It performed only thinkable. Get rid of everyone and start over with a 21st century system on accountability.  Im just a small speck. Thank you"

You're going to have to explain what that is supposed to mean. 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Just Weird