4 hours ago, oilinki said:

Well it's not really trolling when you give your opinions, which on this time are less filtered, yet still based on facts. 

 

Junker admitted that it made a mistake when it didn't correct all the wrongs what the UKIP said during the 2016 referendum. That was requested by Cameron. Only afterwards it became clear that the UK MP's had absolutely no idea what EU is and what EU does.

 

EU will not make the same mistake this time around. 

 

But we need a Portuguese bear posting lots and lots of nonsense memes to give you the full UKIP experience. 

Back on topic...

 

@oilinki 's gone very quiet...

 

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Not just men. Plenty of old women too!

 

It's scary reading some of the many threads/groups on social media. how they repeat the same old mantras based on ignorance, and downright lies from certain politicians.

 

Most haven't got a clue when asked how the European Parliament works, what the Council of Ministers is, etc etc. They prefer to believe the crap Farage, Boris and the sinister R-Mogg feed them, helped by the gutter-press papers.

 

Few know the reality of EU law on movement of citizens; and a great many seem to equate EU freedom of movement with the influx of Asian immigrants from Commonwealth countries!! The lie that the EU Courts overrule the courts of member nations can be easily found to be nonsense but most can't seemingly even use Google!

 

But they like the rousing speeches of Farage, pandering to the "good old days" (which for many many weren't good) and pretending Britannia still rules the waves!

Please feel free to identify those of us who seem to equate EU freedom of movement with the influx of Asian immigrants from Commonwealth countries!! 

8 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I can't help but wonder what Cable would say if his party - against all odds - managed to win the next General Election, but the result was not respected nor acted on. This would be due to some members of the public claiming the voters were racists and did not understand the issues surrounding the vote, and that re-runs were needed. Would he be offended then? I suggest he would explode with rage that democracy be overturned like that. Anyone would.

To say there wasn't a strong element of anti-emigrant racist voters amongst the leavers shows ignorance of the actual voting.  But to claim that they were all totally aware of the brexit issues is ridiculous. I certainly wasn't. And I'm sure most of had no idea of the actual implications.

Now that I do, I agree with cable and would vote for him. 

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

You have been on my ignore list for the past 6 months or so for repetitive answers, which brought nothing new to the discussion. It became tiresome at the time. I have now removed you from the ignore and can once again see what you write. 

 

Be against what I think, but create something new to say and I do value what you say and think. 

Stop talking with old and other people's slogans, like "Democratic decision of the British people" or other fancy pantsy stuff, copied from other people. Those are just slogans, made to be repeated by the masses. Those for the stupid people, to whom I have no interest to answer and I can only assume you are not one of them by the initial question you posted above. It was a good and honest question, I hope.

 

Answer to your initial question: I really don't want you to suffer as you are expected to suffer. I also don't want our EU (which you are still part of) to suffer neither. I think the 2016 referendum was a 'drunken idea', based of 'hurmos', the drunken feeling which alcohol or power can give to the people. 

 

I think you should have a sober vote to make sure the great idea when you were high, was not just one of those ideas we all get, when we are drunk... which then should be buried deep in to the swamland. 

 

It's perfectly ok to be angry. But with anger comes both overreaction as well as blindness where to point the anger at. I think Brexit vote was both of those. Now, after 3 years, we have also seen that there was both overreaction as well as short sightedness, where the anger should have been pointed to - the UK political elite, which is for themselves, not enough for the people. 

 

If I think as a EU citizen, I know we'll lose a bit when UK leaves our Union. I also know that UK, specially the UK youth, will lose so very much of their futures, when Brexit happens. That is not fair as there really is no real reason why Brexit should happen at all. Not for the common people, who will suffer the most. 

Am I alone in noticing the irony in your 'Ficker than us' followed immediately by a request for quality debate in return?

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

You have been on my ignore list for the past 6 months or so for repetitive answers, which brought nothing new to the discussion. It became tiresome at the time. I have now removed you from the ignore and can once again see what you write. 

 

Be against what I think, but create something new to say and I do value what you say and think. 

Stop talking with old and other people's slogans, like "Democratic decision of the British people" or other fancy pantsy stuff, copied from other people. Those are just slogans, made to be repeated by the masses. Those for the stupid people, to whom I have no interest to answer and I can only assume you are not one of them by the initial question you posted above. It was a good and honest question, I hope.

 

Answer to your initial question: I really don’t want you to suffer as you are expected to, I really don't want you to suffer as you are expected to suffer. I also don't want our EU (which you are still part of) to suffer neither. I think the 2016 referendum was a 'drunken idea', based of 'hurmos', the drunken feeling which alcohol or power can give to the people. 

 

I think you should have a sober vote to make sure the great idea when you were high, was not just one of those ideas we all get, when we are drunk... which then should be buried deep in to the swamland. 

 

It's perfectly ok to be angry. But with anger comes both overreaction as well as blindness where to point the anger at. I think Brexit vote was both of those. Now, after 3 years, we have also seen that there was both overreaction as well as short sightedness, where the anger should have been pointed to - the UK political elite, which is for themselves, not enough for the people. 

 

If I think as a EU citizen, I know we'll lose a bit when UK leaves our Union. I also know that UK, specially the UK youth, will lose so very much of their futures, when Brexit happens. That is not fair as there really is no real reason why Brexit should happen at all. Not for the common people, who will suffer the most. 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ve Highlighted, what I beleive is your answer “I really do not want you to suffer as you are expected to suffer”.

 

I’m sorry, but I do not consider that an informative or constructive answer.

 

These are some of the reasons, why the British people voted in the largest Democratic vote in our nations history, to leave Your E.u.

And we will leave,it’s just a matter of time.

 

2 minutes ago, oilinki said:

And you keep on posting those childish memes for 10 year olds, for yet uneducated children. 

You'll fit right in with the Puting Youth agitators. So smart, so wise, so intellectual!

 

There are reasons the western world don't like your kind of people. "IF you are not with us, you are against us." 

 

 

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/04/30/generation-putin-smug-patriotic-and-rebellious-a61301

 

You present to not to be a person of content nor reasoning.

"I refer the Honorable Gentlemen to the answer I gave a moment ago!"

4 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

 

I find it amazing,that as a europhile E.u citizen, you keep posting on these Brexit threads, yet when I ask you this simple question, you fail to reply.

 

 

————-

 

 

And I’m still awaiting my polite request to you,asking for you to explain why you and your fellow non Brit E.u citizens think it’s so important for us to remain in your so called union.

  And are you not aware, that should our Treacherous political class continue to ignore the Democratic decision of the British people, in the largest vote in our history, and keep us shackled to the E.u. That an ever increasing majority of the British people will never accept the E.u. And will make life hell for the Bureaucrats in Brussels. To such an extent that before too long, you will be begging us to leave.

 

 

————-

 

 

Of course when votes for Pro Europe parties outnumber those of the Pro Brexit parties...

 

That will be real democracy.

3 minutes ago, oilinki said:

That would be real democracy for the most of the people, but not for the brexit extremists. Brexiteers idea of democracy is quite different compared to the vast majority of people's idea what democracy really entails. 

 

Brexiteers are loud, but they do not represent democracy. Brexiteers represent only loudacracy. 

What do you mean about Brexiters being loud ?

In what sense ? 

They talk in loud voices or what ?

Is there any evidence that Brexiters speak louder than Remainers ?

May well have been a contentious slogan but as P.T. Barnum said  “Any kind of publicity is good publicity as long as they spell your name right.”

Not only are we leaving the EU we will be the straw that broke the camel's back.  

 

The EU will subsequently implode and our European friends revolt in what can only be described as unmitigated anarchy.  It's coming.  

4 minutes ago, OneEyedPie said:

Not only are we leaving the EU we will be the straw that broke the camel's back.  

 

The EU will subsequently implode and our European friends revolt in what can only be described as unmitigated anarchy.  It's coming.  

Another visitor from the future.

bristolboy and oilinki - it's coming and you'll be surprised at the outcome.  Some serious shit is going down and, fortunately, we'll be out of the EU when D-Day happens. 

Just now, OneEyedPie said:

bristolboy and oilinki - it's coming and you'll be surprised at the outcome.  Some serious shit is going down and, fortunately, we'll be out of the EU when D-Day happens. 

Well, now that you've stated it twice, You're almost there:

"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:

   That alone should encourage the crew.

Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:

   What I tell you three times is true."

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43909/the-hunting-of-the-snark

 

45 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Yelling like American tourists, so that the rest of the people simply want to cave in and wish never to meet these loud people again. 

 

Been there, done that. 

OK, right , 17 million Brexit voters speak loudly and 15 Million Remainers speak quietly .

Where did you get this info from ?

Or is that a spoony bomber "fact" ?

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Well, now that you've stated it twice, You're almost there:

"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:

   That alone should encourage the crew.

Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:

   What I tell you three times is true."

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43909/the-hunting-of-the-snark

 

Not biting.  Just wait and see as we're now on the brink.  

1 minute ago, oilinki said:

The way you write English makes me laugh. And I'm not even a native English speaker. 

 

Go figure?

Again, not rising to the bait.  I'll laugh far longer than thee. 

2 minutes ago, oilinki said:

As shown. Talking head without content. Nothing. 

Can't you put me on your ignore list, too.  I've just fixed my side for you. 

 

I'll remove the ignore function within the next few months when my prediction is realised.

14 minutes ago, OneEyedPie said:

Not biting.  Just wait and see as we're now on the brink.  

Damn! So disappointing to be so close to a conversion experience.

19 minutes ago, OneEyedPie said:

Can't you put me on your ignore list, too.  I've just fixed my side for you. 

 

I'll remove the ignore function within the next few months when my prediction is realised.

Very telling comment. And can we expect you never to remove it if it doesn't? Or will you give us a date for the removal either way? That would seem to be the honorable course.

Edited May 10, 20197 yr by bristolboy

49 minutes ago, OneEyedPie said:

Not only are we leaving the EU we will be the straw that broke the camel's back.  

 

The EU will subsequently implode and our European friends revolt in what can only be described as unmitigated anarchy.  It's coming.  

 

 

3 hours ago, oilinki said:

I think I'll put a block on to the less honourable gentleman. This was quite enough already.

 

You lasted all of 2 hrs ????

Here's how your target audience views your behavior :

 

Edited May 10, 20197 yr by evadgib

What a lost cause the UK is, still can't uphold democracy by respecting the wishes of the majority. British politics has no value, run by complete morons !

A question to the TVF Admin  

 

I posted this story here on Thursday 9th and you closed it after 3 replies saying it was nothing to do with Thailand plus it was political . I wrote to you twice stating it was a Brexit article which should be allowed . Can you please explain why you  1/ Did not reply to me and 2/ have gone ahead with the story ?

6 hours ago, superal said:

A question to the TVF Admin  

 

I posted this story here on Thursday 9th and you closed it after 3 replies saying it was nothing to do with Thailand plus it was political . I wrote to you twice stating it was a Brexit article which should be allowed . Can you please explain why you  1/ Did not reply to me and 2/ have gone ahead with the story ?

Probably more to do with where you posted...

 

As us mere mortals are not allowed to start new topics in this section (WORLD NEWS).

 

Nor are we allowed to say <deleted> (Ballokes)

On 5/10/2019 at 5:33 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

You will find no greater freedom than for citizens to have a referendum to decide on important issues. We had one in Britain. Leave won. Yet the liberals who are remainer by and large were not happy they lost, and want a re-run or cancellation of the result. Can you explain how overturning the democratic referendum result fit in with notions of "liberalism"? 

Nobody ignored the referendum result.

That's why the UK is in this mess now.

After 3 years, it is legitimate to take a critical inventory of what has been achieved so far. It is obvious that the many Brexit promises, which were postulated 3 years ago, have not been reached or can not be achieved.

The UK government / parliament / politicians have been trying for 3 years to realize Brexit. They failed. Within three years, the Brexit process has revealed so many problems, details, complications and new information about no one thought of three years ago. 

A business executive would call Brexit as a flop from today's perspective.

A good country leadership would try to find new ways in this messed-up situation. At the moment, everyone in the UK is dissatisfied. 

 

However, competitors around the world, such as the USA, Russia and China, are delighted about the division of Europe, the social discontent and the gigantic money destruction that Brexit has delivered so far. The political flop product: Brexit should be taken off the market.

The UK should try to develop a new, better political product.

16 hours ago, the guest said:

What a lost cause the UK is, still can't uphold democracy by respecting the wishes of the majority. British politics has no value, run by complete morons !

This is the problem when the people vote for free beer for everyone, with unicorns that poop ice cream with sparkles for the kids. 

 

But I will agree we are run by compete morons ! 

The Brexit promises and what was really delivered.
It is allowed to change his opinion in this case.

23 hours ago, oilinki said:

You have been on my ignore list for the past 6 months or so for repetitive answers, which brought nothing new to the discussion. It became tiresome at the time. I have now removed you from the ignore and can once again see what you write. 

 

Be against what I think, but create something new to say and I do value what you say and think. 

Stop talking with old and other people's slogans, like "Democratic decision of the British people" or other fancy pantsy stuff, copied from other people. Those are just slogans, made to be repeated by the masses. Those for the stupid people, to whom I have no interest to answer and I can only assume you are not one of them by the initial question you posted above. It was a good and honest question, I hope.

 

Answer to your initial question: I really don't want you to suffer as you are expected to suffer. I also don't want our EU (which you are still part of) to suffer neither. I think the 2016 referendum was a 'drunken idea', based of 'hurmos', the drunken feeling which alcohol or power can give to the people. 

 

I think you should have a sober vote to make sure the great idea when you were high, was not just one of those ideas we all get, when we are drunk... which then should be buried deep in to the swamland. 

 

It's perfectly ok to be angry. But with anger comes both overreaction as well as blindness where to point the anger at. I think Brexit vote was both of those. Now, after 3 years, we have also seen that there was both overreaction as well as short sightedness, where the anger should have been pointed to - the UK political elite, which is for themselves, not enough for the people. 

 

If I think as a EU citizen, I know we'll lose a bit when UK leaves our Union. I also know that UK, specially the UK youth, will lose so very much of their futures, when Brexit happens. That is not fair as there really is no real reason why Brexit should happen at all. Not for the common people, who will suffer the most. 

 

 

 

 

The EU will struggle to balance the books if and when the UK leave and a loss in excess of 2000 billion Euros a year . It will break the back of struggling Germany who just managed to avoid a recession this year . The EU would do well to revert to the EEC which seemed to work but instead is growing into a  control center of Europe  which is overseen by an non-elected body of egoistic  bureaucrats . 

 

Back to the topic  .   Whoever made a decision to display the Bxxxxxxs  word on their campaign pamphlets , tee shirts and bus needs to be spoken to by the police as it is an act of indecency for all children to see and certainly a word for after the 9 pm o'clock watershed  .  Do the Lib-Dems really think that they will win voters over with this gutter language . If I had been with them before they would not have my vote now . I am very unimpressed .

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

This makes me giggle. Perhaps we should say Bulldogs instead ????

Or:

• Ballcocks
• Rowlocks
• <deleted>
• Horlicks
• Follocks
• Hollyhocks
• pollocks

Many more where they came from.????