Clean up and carry on: Central staff told not to wait for police after "many" suicides, claims local media

[donnacha]

This is a selfish way to off yourself, traumatizing all the people who will see your body or have to clean it up.

Also a real chance of killing someone else if you land on them, or you disrupt traffic.

My guess is that the mall what the body hidden or moved quickly in order to stop others getting the same idea. Copycat suicides are a real problem.

[jacko45k]

18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I learned of this news yesterday while having a meal at the very same mall. That gave me pause. But really what do people expect? To close the mall? Those cleaners are probably underpaid for cleaning up messes like that.

I kinda would expect a medical professional to attend before anyone attempted to move him. But sure, shoppers should not expect to be sidestepping that. 

Edited May 17, 2019 by jacko45k

[RJRS1301]

18 hours ago, Basil B said:

Maybe the mall could do more to to prevent it happening there, higher balustrades, or even full curtain walls.

 

Train staff to recognise people at risk and how to deal with them.

How does recognise a potential suicidal person, unless you are a trained professional doing a face to face assessment?   Even very skilled professionals often miss the cues 

[RJRS1301]

4 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Suicide is a crime in Malaysia.

 

AFAIK, it's not a crime in Thailand.

Hard to prosecute a dead person.

I think you mean "attempted" suicide.

 

Really bright idea to lock up a person with mental health issues in a prison. Very therapeutic  

[RJRS1301]

^{Surely security can place a privacy screen around the deceased, put diversionary tape around the escalator access and divert people to lifts until the necessary procedures for coroner/police carried out}

^{Or is this proof we in live in an economy and not communities, shop at all costs, spend on things you do not need to feel good about our self??}

 

[jacko45k]

Just now, RJRS1301 said:

Surely security can place a privacy screen around the deceased,

I just saw a Pattaya 103 FM video that showed a small tent that was used to cover the deceased. That seemed apt. 

[hotchilli]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

It was alleged that they have undergone training not to wait for police and rescue services to arrive to start an investigation. 

Maybe the police should have a word with the shopping Mall hierarchy and inform them that if they remove a person that has died at the scene they are interfering with a crime scene and would be prosecuted.

[Basil B]

4 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

How does recognise a potential suicidal person, unless you are a trained professional doing a face to face assessment?   Even very skilled professionals often miss the cues 

I have not seen the videos, but:

• walking to the barriers, looking over and walking back many times
• Oblivious to persons around themselves
• In an emotional state
• Trying to climb over the balistraids

I would say 2 or more of the above should set alarm bells ringing.

 

I am not a professional in such matters and there may be other clues to add to the list, but someone did notice: 

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A vendor near the site on the sixth floor said she noticed a foreigner trying to climb over the barrier, but had let go by the time she got to him. 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30369544

Added:

A good read: https://www.suicideline.org.au/resource/recognising-suicide-warning-signs/

 

Edited May 18, 2019 by Basil B

[Skallywag]

30 minutes ago, Basil B said:

A vendor near the site on the sixth floor said she noticed a foreigner trying to climb over the barrier, but had let go by the time she got to him. 

I would be wary unless there is CCTV from Central Festival ( not confirmed by news reports or police) 

Guess anyone can "fall" to their death now and just deem it a suicide - great incentive for gangs and unscrupulous thieves out to rip you off.

One vendor is the sole witness?!

How do they know he is British if he had no identification? 

Here is a alternate headline: "Pissed off vendor steals 20,000 baht and throws customer over railing to avoid prosecution"  

Not likely, I know, yet would rather think it is a conspiracy than suicide.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Skallywag

[RJRS1301]

I have not seen the videos, but:

• walking to the barriers, looking over and walking back many times
• Oblivious to persons around themselves
• In an emotional state
• Trying to climb over the balistraids

I would say 2 or more of the above should set alarm bells ringing.

 

I am not a professional in such matters and there may be other clues to add to the list, but someone did notice: 

 

Training in de-escalation techniques required, potential assault on person intervening, vicarious liability if another incident spurred on. I think way too much responsibility for retail or security workers.

Good idea, but would need a lot of input and training.  

[AlexCanada]

How quickly did they remove the body?  How long do police take to arrive when the police station is right next door?

[Basil B]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

I have not seen the videos, but:

• walking to the barriers, looking over and walking back many times
• Oblivious to persons around themselves
• In an emotional state
• Trying to climb over the balistraids

I would say 2 or more of the above should set alarm bells ringing.

 

I am not a professional in such matters and there may be other clues to add to the list, but someone did notice: 

 

Training in de-escalation techniques required, potential assault on person intervening, vicarious liability if another incident spurred on. I think way too much responsibility for retail or security workers.

Good idea, but would need a lot of input and training.  

Lifted from Network-Rail's web site on suicide prevention:

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Our suicide prevention programme includes the following initiatives:

• training railway employees to look out for and offer support to people who may be considering taking their own life on the railway – to date, 16,000 railway employees have received training to intervene in suicide attempts (and in 2016/17 rail employees, the Police and public intervened in more than 1,593 suicide attempts on the railway)
• working in partnership with Samaritans within the wider community to de-stigmatise suicide and promote help-seeking behaviour
• traditional mitigation measures, such as fencing to prevent access to the tracks
• developing new ways to meet the suicide challenge on the rail network, such as a smartphone app for customers to alert us to those they consider to be at risk on the railway
• contributing our specialist knowledge of suicide prevention to national strategies and guidance so others can benefit from our experience.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/communities/safety-in-the-community/suicide-prevention-railway/

 

Network Rail is the UK's operator of rail tracks and stations, every fatality on the tracks leads to massive disruption of services, for drivers and those who witness such events the traumatic effect (PTSD) can be life changing with many train drivers unable to continue in their profession.

 

The above could be translated to:

• training center employees to look out for and offer support to people who may be considering taking their own life, training to intervene in suicide attempts.
• working in partnership with Samaritans (and similar organisations) within the wider community to de-stigmatise suicide and promote help-seeking behaviour.
• traditional mitigation measures, such as higher balustrades, it has been quoted that they are 1.5m high but from pictures posted I would estimate 1.2m, they need to be well in excess of the centre of gravity of the human body, preferably fully glaze in the mezzanine floors. 
• developing new ways to meet the suicide challenge, such as a designated phone number for vendors to alert centre management and call points for public use.
• contributing specialist knowledge of suicide prevention to national strategies and guidance so others can benefit from experience. (learning from others and passing on skills and knowledge to others.)

 

 

[Basil B]

2 hours ago, AlexCanada said:

How quickly did they remove the body?  How long do police take to arrive when the police station is right next door?

maybe if the police arrived faster, they closed the centre until investigations complete the centre would be more inclined in preventing suicides.

[RJRS1301]

3 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Lifted from Network-Rail's web site on suicide prevention:

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/communities/safety-in-the-community/suicide-prevention-railway/

 

Network Rail is the UK's operator of rail tracks and stations, every fatality on the tracks leads to massive disruption of services, for drivers and those who witness such events the traumatic effect (PTSD) can be life changing with many train drivers unable to continue in their profession.

 

The above could be translated to:

• training center employees to look out for and offer support to people who may be considering taking their own life, training to intervene in suicide attempts.
• working in partnership with Samaritans (and similar organisations) within the wider community to de-stigmatise suicide and promote help-seeking behaviour.
• traditional mitigation measures, such as higher balustrades, it has been quoted that they are 1.5m high but from pictures posted I would estimate 1.2m, they need to be well in excess of the centre of gravity of the human body, preferably fully glaze in the mezzanine floors. 
• developing new ways to meet the suicide challenge, such as a designated phone number for vendors to alert centre management and call points for public use.
• contributing specialist knowledge of suicide prevention to national strategies and guidance so others can benefit from experience. (learning from others and passing on skills and knowledge to others.)

 

 

Excellent program by the looks and the results, wonder how much Professional development happens with retail/security staff in Thailand??