20 hours ago, overherebc said:

If the port is closed what's the traffic situation on the main road outside.

Probably an utter mess, like all the roads around here, nothing new. 

2 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

Porntipa Taweenuch is the port director did the current government appoint her or do you not know what you are talking about again.

Yes, sorry to offend a junta apologist, but she was appointed by the regime.

 

Company Position

Director, President and Deputy Chief Executive Officer

Date of Appointment

25 May 2017

2 hours ago, grollies said:

Fire under control Saturday afternoon, chemical was calcium hypochlorite according to the BKK Post........whoops

Calcium Hypochlorite (UN1748) is DG Class 5.1 (Oxidizing Agent) and not Class 1 (Explosive), as was assumed in this thread. MSDS is available on the internet.

2 minutes ago, onthemoon said:

Calcium Hypochlorite (UN1748) is DG Class 5.1 (Oxidizing Agent) and not Class 1 (Explosive), as was assumed in this thread. MSDS is available on the internet.

Maybe the ship had brake failure as it reacts strongly on contact with brake fluid.

11 hours ago, overherebc said:

Of course it was not known at the time of the explosion/fire.

All those details will eventually be known but that takes investigation and analysis. Not something you do when the fire is still burning.

And of course all those points will be dismissed by the posters after 15 beers and rejection by the oldest and ugliest hooker in the bar. ????????

Of course it was known while still burning - the fire fighters look at the documents before deciding what substance to use to extinguish the fire. The Shipper's Declaration also contains the emergency phone number (available 24/7 during transport) they can call in case of any questions. That number does not belong to some manager but to the chemist at shipper. 

 

There are very strict international regulations with regards to the transportation of dangerous goods, nothing is left to guesswork. And the Thai ports are indeed on international level with regards to such accidents.

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

MSDS would take about a week to read. 

Used for water treatment but reacts with so many other compounds

The MSDS takes a few minutes to read. You may have never been trained on how to read them, but the fire fighters have.

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Doesn't matter really since I have read that Porntipa Taweenuch, the port director, already has all the MSDS's in the world, ever, on her iPhone.

She does - they are readily available on the internet. However, she doesn't need them, the fire fighters do.

22 minutes ago, onthemoon said:

The MSDS takes a few minutes to read. You may have never been trained on how to read them, but the fire fighters have.

I love assumptions. ????????

9 A4 pages on the one I'm looking at, from a Canadian manufacturer.

I would say this shipment very likely came from China, they make a lot of this product.

Perhaps their MSDS said

Don't get wet.

Just to add, until they determine the actual reason for the explosion and fire nobody can say this chemical caused it. 

Maybe it was an explosion close to it that threw it in the air and all over the outsides of the people and cars in the area.

Edited May 26, 20197 yr by overherebc

31 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Maybe the ship had brake failure as it reacts strongly on contact with brake fluid.

Maybe. Maybe aliens sent a heat ray. The cause of the accident will be investigated.

21 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I love assumptions. ????????

9 A4 pages on the one I'm looking at, from a Canadian manufacturer.

I would say this shipment very likely came from China, they make a lot of this product.

Perhaps their MSDS said

Don't get wet.

Just to add, until they determine the actual reason for the explosion and fire nobody can say this chemical caused it. 

Maybe it was an explosion close to it that threw it in the air and all over the outsides of the people and cars in the area.

Yes, maybe. Nothing can be ruled out at this moment. Not even the heat ray from the aliens.

38 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Yes, sorry to offend a junta apologist, but she was appointed by the regime.

 

Company Position

Director, President and Deputy Chief Executive Officer

Date of Appointment

25 May 2017

How could she - or anybody else in her position, regardless of who appointed them - have prevented the accident from happening? 

5 minutes ago, onthemoon said:

How could she - or anybody else in her position, regardless of who appointed them - have prevented the accident from happening? 

One word. Competence.

17 minutes ago, onthemoon said:

How could she - or anybody else in her position, regardless of who appointed them - have prevented the accident from happening? 

It's a mind set nowadays. 

One idiot low down on the chain does something wrong and everybody starts baying for the head of the top guy.

20 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

I just made a simple statement that many words in the MSDS world do not have an equivalent translation in Thai, therefore if not well versed in English it wouldn't mean much to many, especially considering the technical terms that are used. That is not even considering that work place safety is dictated by the baht, not protecting people and this is unfortunately is generally the M.O. throughout S.E. Asia, and championed by the Chinese.

It is a "Hong Kong" ship so why would the Thais have an MSDS for something in a container that was earlier reported to be in transit to Vietnam. Waffling on about who can read English or not is pretty much irrelevant. 

Flaming, baiting and troll posts removed

2 hours ago, onthemoon said:

Of course it was known while still burning - the fire fighters look at the documents before deciding what substance to use to extinguish the fire. The Shipper's Declaration also contains the emergency phone number (available 24/7 during transport) they can call in case of any questions. That number does not belong to some manager but to the chemist at shipper. 

 

There are very strict international regulations with regards to the transportation of dangerous goods, nothing is left to guesswork. And the Thai ports are indeed on international level with regards to such accidents.

Next time anyone goes to the pool shop to buy this incredably dangerous chemical if they can't supply you with an MSDS then just refuse to buy it.

1 hour ago, Catkiwi said:

It is a "Hong Kong" ship so why would the Thais have an MSDS for something in a container that was earlier reported to be in transit to Vietnam. Waffling on about who can read English or not is pretty much irrelevant. 

someone mentioned people should read the msds for info, I just pointed out it's written in English so it's useless unless you can read technical English, so it is highly relevant - 

4 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Doesn't matter really since I have read that Porntipa Taweenuch, the port director, already has all the MSDS's in the world, ever, on her iPhone.

Huawei P30 Pro.

 

Don't forget the Chinese have taken over.

6 hours ago, onthemoon said:

Of course it was known while still burning - the fire fighters look at the documents before deciding what substance to use to extinguish the fire. The Shipper's Declaration also contains the emergency phone number (available 24/7 during transport) they can call in case of any questions. That number does not belong to some manager but to the chemist at shipper. 

 

There are very strict international regulations with regards to the transportation of dangerous goods, nothing is left to guesswork. And the Thai ports are indeed on international level with regards to such accidents.

Finally a knowledgeable post. 

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Yes, sorry to offend a junta apologist, but she was appointed by the regime.

 

Company Position

Director, President and Deputy Chief Executive Officer

Date of Appointment

25 May 2017 

Link? Sorry but don't believe anything on Thai Visa without a link to prove. 

Edited May 26, 20197 yr by marcusarelus

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

One word. Competence.

You didn't answer my question: How could the harbour master have prevented the accident? Since you are so competent, please enlighten us.

11 hours ago, overherebc said:

It's a mind set nowadays. 

One idiot low down on the chain does something wrong and everybody starts baying for the head of the top guy.

Who in the port did anything wrong?

10 hours ago, overherebc said:

Next time anyone goes to the pool shop to buy this incredably dangerous chemical if they can't supply you with an MSDS then just refuse to buy it.

Whether dangerous or not, any chemical has an MSDS. If it is not dangerous for transport, section 14 will say so. This particular substance happens to be classified as a dangerous good for transport. Whether you like it or not.

9 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

someone mentioned people should read the msds for info, I just pointed out it's written in English so it's useless unless you can read technical English, so it is highly relevant - 

Believe me, the relevant people in the Thai ports are well trained in reading MSDS. 

Edited May 26, 20197 yr by onthemoon

Is the fire out yet?

 

All this hot air won't be helping.

1 hour ago, onthemoon said:

Believe me, the relevant people in the Thai ports are well trained in reading MSDS. 

As the fire was on board a container ship, and appears to involve containers some of which may not loaded or off load at this port should it not be the responsibility of the ship's captain and his officers to:

1. Initiate fire fighting
2. Identify the container(s) involved, their contents and hazards
3. Identify any hazards to firefighters
4. Inform the the port authority of any contamination risk

 

  

10 hours ago, onthemoon said:

You didn't answer my question: How could the harbour master have prevented the accident? Since you are so competent, please enlighten us.

Need I say more?

 

So, why, on Saturday were the following statements sent out.................

 

Preliminary investigations have not found any toxic chemicals at Laem Chabang Port, which suffered a disruption due to a fire on Saturday morning, the director of Thailand Port Authority, Kamolsak Phromprayoon, said.

 

The department, however, said those goods were neither smuggled into the country nor were falsely declared, he said .

10 hours ago, onthemoon said:

Who in the port did anything wrong?

It's a general mindset. 

Not directed to any particular place of work. 

Happens regularly in O & G and construction.

12 hours ago, onthemoon said:

Believe me, the relevant people in the Thai ports are well trained in reading MSDS. 

'everyone' that that has dealings with these chemicals should be well versed not just those deemed 'relevant' , for the tendency is that management will make decisions based on costs (for instance, who's relevant) not safety especially in S.E. Asia.

Edited May 27, 20197 yr by from the home of CC

possibly with chemicals on board someone knowledgeable 

is required when shipping chemicals. Friend works at co.

sells/delivers all type of fuel. Driver have to go through safety 

courses yearly and pass them.