Just now, Chelseafan said:

Please read their manifesto. They were fighting on two fronts. Brexit and climate change. There vote is mixed. Also they did not score as highly as the brexit party.

 

And there are going to be Brexiteers also concerned about climate change and they would prefer a Green Euro MP , 

49 minutes ago, sanemax said:

No, if Remain were to win another referendum , that would make it 1-1 

There would need to be another referendum , to see who would win 2-1

Sounds fair.......but remoaners just cant grasp that....its their way or the highway....if the initial result had been reversed, leavers would have taken it on the chin and respected democracy, remoaners however being fascists without realizing it just cant accept that more people think differently to them. Even if a second referendum was held and they lost again, they still wouldn't accept it.....

10 minutes ago, sanemax said:

And there are going to be Brexiteers also concerned about climate change and they would prefer a Green Euro MP , 

It would be a very odd Green voter who would not be willing to accept some significant loss of national sovereignty in order to battle the global issue of climate change and pollution. Dubious that there are many (any) apart from the badly confused.

54 minutes ago, Nanglon said:

Am offering a solution .... you just making fun.

The solution is....accept you lost the first referendum and lets move on....freaking remoaners have caused this problem. Fascists the lot of them

1 minute ago, baansgr said:

The solution is....accept you lost the first referendum and lets move on....freaking remoaners have caused this problem. Fascists the lot of them

I have accepted that; but it was not agreed by parliament. Remainers have not caused this - the predictable division of a 50% + 1 vote has. I am suggesting to overcome the deadlock by inviting remainers to get over 60% to overturn the initial vote, or shut up and allow brexit whatever. I am not a fascist, whatever you think that might be.

8 minutes ago, baansgr said:

The solution is....accept you lost the first referendum and lets move on....freaking remoaners have caused this problem. Fascists the lot of them

Brexiteers voted for a pipe dream with no plan attached.

 

Now, true to Brexiteer thinking, the inevitable failure arrives and it all somebody else's fault. 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Brexiteers voted for a pipe dream with no plan attached.

 

Now, true to Brexiteer thinking, the inevitable failure arrives and it all somebody else's fault. 

 

Incompetent Government with no leadership and divided and had no idea what to do after the referendum vote  , 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Brexiteers voted for a pipe dream with no plan attached.

 

Now, true to Brexiteer thinking, the inevitable failure arrives and it all somebody else's fault. 

 

 

 

Oh please, not that old chestnut, you can do better than that.

 

 

David Cameron did not offer a pipe-dream.

1 hour ago, Chelseafan said:

The graphic stated "anti-brexit" and "pro-brexit" it didn't saying anything about hard Brexit, soft Brexit, referundum etc

You have to admit that the Tories should be lumped into the pro-brexit camp.

 

 

1 hour ago, Chelseafan said:

Nothing like pigheadedness and denial to see you are missing the point.

 

Are the Tory party  remain party or leave party ?

The Tories are split between Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit and Remain. However, the Hard Brexiteers are dishonest enough to pretend that the centre doesn't exist. Amusing to see the forum Hard Brexiteers falling into line.

1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Oh please, not that old chestnut, you can do better than that.

 

 

David Cameron did not offer a pipe-dream.

You're quite right. He was against Brexit.

14 minutes ago, baansgr said:

The solution is....accept you lost the first referendum and lets move on....freaking remoaners have caused this problem. Fascists the lot of them

Its the Conspiracy wing of the Hard Brexiteers who are flirting with fascism.

5 minutes ago, baansgr said:

The solution is....accept you lost the first referendum and lets move on....freaking remoaners have caused this problem. Fascists the lot of them

The Brexit referendum proved conclusively that democracy doesn’t work when people vote the wrong way. If people are not going to vote the right way, then they shouldn't be voting at all. We saw that before in Ireland on the Nice Treaty and Denmark on Maastricht.

 

A second referendum should be held, but guarantees given that voting will not be allowed for old people, the working class, Northerners or any other racists not already covered by the above.

 

That's the only way to restore democracy in the UK.

20 minutes ago, baansgr said:

Sounds fair.......but remoaners just cant grasp that....its their way or the highway....if the initial result had been reversed, leavers would have taken it on the chin and respected democracy, remoaners however being fascists without realizing it just cant accept that more people think differently to them. Even if a second referendum was held and they lost again, they still wouldn't accept it.....

Funny how the Conspiracy wing of the Hard Brexiteers like to label others as fascists while they themselves play in the paddling pool. Pathetic deflection.

Just now, SheungWan said:

 

The Tories are split between Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit and Remain. However, the Hard Brexiteers are dishonest enough to pretend that the centre doesn't exist. Amusing to see the forum Hard Brexiteers falling into line.

I get confused reading posts like this .

Please tell me , who do you mean when you say "Hard Brexiteeres are pretending that the center doesnt exist"

   Who are the "Hard Brexiteers" that you speak of ?

Who are these "dishonest" people ?

1 minute ago, RickBradford said:

The Brexit referendum proved conclusively that democracy doesn’t work when people vote the wrong way. If people are not going to vote the right way, then they shouldn't be voting at all. We saw that before in Ireland on the Nice Treaty and Denmark on Maastricht.

 

A second referendum should be held, but guarantees given that voting will not be allowed for old people, the working class, Northerners or any other racists not already covered by the above.

 

That's the only way to restore democracy in the UK.

Nigel Farage disagrees with you.

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Nigel Farage disagrees with you.

He didnt try to overturn the vote or have another referendum , he accepted the democratic vote  

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

He didnt try to overturn the vote or have another referendum , he accepted the democratic vote  

Balderdash!! He has tried to overturn the original vote ever since he has been an MEP, and pushed for a referendum in 2016! He did not accept the original vote.

51 minutes ago, Nanglon said:

Read it ...... Remain needs 60% to overturn the last vote, if they don't get it, Leave wins!!!!

OK I misread it. It still seems bizarre to me. Remain couldn't get 50% last time, now we need to spend millions upon millions of pounds, have another tortuous campaign and wait several months to watch them fail to get 60%? Not sure of the point, other than more can kicking...

10 minutes ago, sanemax said:

He didnt try to overturn the vote or have another referendum , he accepted the democratic vote  

After Brexit won. Before Brexit he explicitly said in an interview with the Daily Mirror that a 52-48 victory for Remain wouldn't be a big enough margin to put Brexit to rest.

Just now, bristolboy said:

After Brexit won. Before Brexit he explicitly said in an interview with the Daily Mirror that a 52-48 victory for Remain wouldn't be a big enough margin to put Brexit to rest.

Actions speak louder than words 

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Actions speak louder than words 

What's speaking loudest in this case is something called hypocrisy. 

5 minutes ago, Nanglon said:

Balderdash!! He has tried to overturn the original vote ever since he has been an MEP, and pushed for a referendum in 2016! He did not accept the original vote.

There was never an original vote about joining the E.U and the conditions that the UK found itself in in 2015 .

   The E.C. is very different to the E.U

Just now, bristolboy said:

What's speaking loudest in this case is something called hypocrisy. 

People often say that they are going to do things and then end up not doing them 

Just now, sanemax said:

People often say that they are going to do things and then end up not doing them 

You're confused.

 It's not a case of saying he was going to do one thing and then not doing it which might be considered a sin of omission.

This is a case of direct self-contradiction. He took one stand, and then when results went his way, he took the opposite stand. Do you understand the concept of "principles"? 

Accurately summed up as always......

 

33 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Funny how the Conspiracy wing of the Hard Brexiteers like to label others as fascists while they themselves play in the paddling pool. Pathetic deflection.

I would have accepted a result as would other leavers....its shameful, disgusting the way remoaners have acted and does amount to nothing more than outright fascism. Latest is the blatant biased reporting by BBC and the like.

2 minutes ago, baansgr said:

I would have accepted a result as would other leavers....its shameful, disgusting the way remoaners have acted and does amount to nothing more than outright fascism. Latest is the blatant biased reporting by BBC and the like.

Funny you should mention that ????

11 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You're confused.

 It's not a case of saying he was going to do one thing and then not doing it which might be considered a sin of omission.

This is a case of direct self-contradiction. He took one stand, and then when results went his way, he took the opposite stand. Do you understand the concept of "principles"? 

Well, if the result would have been a remain vote , would you be calling for another referendum ?

  Would any Remainer be calling for another vote ?

Do you really expect Ferage or any Leaver to call for another vote , just because it was close?

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Well, if the result would have been a remain vote , would you be calling for another referendum ?

  Would any Remainer be calling for another vote ?

Do you really expect Ferage or any Leaver to call for another vote , just because it was close?

I don't expect Farage to call for another vote. But when he acts morally outraged about others doing so, what is that but hypocrisy?

11 minutes ago, baansgr said:

I would have accepted a result as would other leavers....its shameful, disgusting the way remoaners have acted and does amount to nothing more than outright fascism. Latest is the blatant biased reporting by BBC and the like.

Wheels coming off for some Hard Brexiteers. Maybe its the nasty UKIP lot thrashing about.