Thai road carnage: deaths top 7,000 this year

[Bangkok Barry]

12 hours ago, Yinn said:

Really. You marry thai woman right? And stay here for 25 years? You still alive Barry?

 

Donold Trump America First

 

So how school get the teacher Barry? 

 

 

 

Maybe. Sometimes.

 

No. We know about that Barry.

 

 

Have the license test. 

 

Wrong answer Barry.

There is not the distance. The “time” is important.

Should be 4 second behind the next car. Because distance different for different speed. When you ask them about it do you speak thai or English? I think they not understand what you say.

 

Wrong Barry. Thailand have road block and motorway police. Not zero. Have “radar”ร also. Hide in the tree. They drive Honda Accord. Maybe not where you live. But have sure.

 

Photo show speed trap and highway patrol car.

 

maybe should calm it down a little bit Barry. Not everybody the safe driver, but most people are. 

 

 

 

 

11 - Things will never change because Thais refuse to accept the reality that they have among the most dangerous roads in the world. Without accepting that there is a problem, the problem is never going to be resolved. And that applies to so many things in Thailand, not just the lack of driving skills.

 

Do you really believe that a Thai driving license is evidence that a person can drive? Really?

 

As for teachers, the standard that they teach is abysmal and a Thai university degree - which would not be accepted elsewhere in the world - requires approximately the same education level that a 14-year-old achieves in my country, the UK. My wife studied to teach English, and the material she received from her university was full of errors. I corrected them, she presented them to her lecturers and they refused to accept that what they had written was wrong. Ignorance isn't not knowing, it's not wanting to know.

 

Such ignorance explains why no Thai has ever, in the history of the world, invented or produced anything of use to the world. Nothing. Every single thing in your daily life was invented by a foreigner. Some might mention Red Bull, which although invented by a Thai was just a local drink until the company was bought by an Austrian and marketed properly. The Thai inventor had no clue how to do it.

 

Road blocks do not prevent accidents or bad driving. Drivers drive the way they do because they know there are no consequences as there are so few patrols as to be pointless. As for speed cameras, do you really think that fining someone 200 baht will stop them doing it again?

 

You prove my point for me about braking distance, as what you write is nonsense.

I have no idea what Donald Trump has to do with anything Thai.

[Vermaric]

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/top-10-countries-with-deadliest-roads-for-travelers

 

At number 2 spot, I'm sure they can do better!

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, 9653 said:

Careful, when pointing the finger,

I make mistake s on the road too

I am happy to point the finger, when I see sheer stupidity being committed. When I am on the road I make mistakes. We all do. But, generally I am very careful, drive with eyes in the back of my head, maintain peripheral vision at all times, drive very defensively, allow plenty of room between my car, and the vehicle in front of me, allow plenty of room, when changing lanes, extend courtesy to other drivers, whenever possible, when entering a highway or main road, or making a U-turn, I allow plenty of time and distance between my car, and the ones that are approaching, and I try to avoid doing things that are dangerous, careless, reckless, thoughtless, disrespectful to other drivers, and just plain old dumb.

 

I try to maintain an awareness of how dangerous being on the road is, and drive accordingly. How many Thai men who are driving amongst us can say the same thing about their driving? What percentage? 

[Caine]

Can sum up this topic in 4 words. They’re thick as shit.

[kiwikeith]

On ‎6‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 4:13 PM, spidermike007 said:

When I was growing up, we took drivers education courses. They showed us horrendous films, or semi trucks plowing into cars, and literally obliterating everything in their path. They also showed us graphic images of head on collisions. 120mph impacts. Even as a young kid, it made quite an impression. It was horrific, and it was hard to get those images out of your head afterwards. But, it left a lasting impression, and when I started driving, I understood it was serious business, and that it was a very dangerous thing to do.

 

I see people driving here, with their families in the car, and doing things, and taking the kinds of risks no rational or sane person with common sense would do. What for? To gain one minute? Why take those risks? What is the logic? Often, when I am cruising along at 100kph, someone cuts right in front of me. Or someone comes out from the side road, right in front of me. I have to slam on my brakes, or change lanes to avoid him. I look in my rearview mirror, and there is nobody behind me. So, if he had waited two seconds, he would have had completely safe passage onto the highway. What gives? Where is the intelligence, caution, and prudence? Where is the common sense? What about just the survival instinct? 

 

The only way to survive here on the road, is to be patient, have eyes in the back of your head, drive with caution, and always, and I mean always watch out of the other guy. Chances are, he does not have much driving skill, nor patience, nor reason, nor common sense. You cannot be too careful on the road here. Especially considering that the toy police offer no traffic safety, nor enforcement of the law. And Casper the ghost is more visible than the incredibly hapless highway patrol.

 

All of this applies even more so, if driving a motorcycle. 

Every day I took my kid to school in Hua Hin resulted in a near miss from motorcycles.

They repeatedly cut in front of you along the canal road, you have to be aware of them all the time.

On the highway the idiots keep coming from behind, tailgating, if you don't get out of the way to let them past.

They will cut in from the inside lane with the smallest gap to overtake before you if you let them.

You have to watch the rear all the time.

Then when they approach an intersection they speed up to try to beat whoever is trying to cross or u turn.

 

They do this sober or drunk, once my wifes brother sped up the car and when I asked why he is driving fast now, the answer was that my wife told him she felt a bit sick so he thought he would go faster to get home quicker, endangering children and every person in the vehicle. TIT. 

 

[Yinn]

7 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

 

Such ignorance explains why no Thai has ever, in the history of the world, invented or produced anything of use to the world. Nothing. 

 

Oh Barry. Still going. Calm down na.

I too busy to answer all you questions. But will answer a few.

No invention? 5555555

Here is one little simple one you can maybe understand.

You ever invent anything Barry? Or everything you use daily life someone else invent?

 

https://www.smh.com.au/world/thai-rain-making-comes-to-qld-20100808-11q5f.html

 

 

7 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Road blocks do not prevent accidents.

 

Stopping drunk and drug people doesn’t prevent accidents? 555555 Oh Barry.

 

7 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

You prove my point for me about braking distance, as what you write is nonsense.
 

Ok Barry. What you think? What distance? Please teach me.

 

look like other agree with me about that. 555555555

https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadcode-questions/car/core/when-should-you-apply-the-four-second-ru/

 

You can read Thai after 25 years. Or too difficult for you Barry?

 

You finish high school Barry?

 

[DrTuner]

7 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Every single thing in your daily life was invented by a foreigner. Some might mention Red Bull, which although invented by a Thai was just a local drink until the company was bought by an Austrian and marketed properly. The Thai inventor had no clue how to do it.

It's a knock-off from Lipo, a Japanese invention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipovitan

 

So still at fat zero.

[Bangkok Barry]

6 minutes ago, Yinn said:

 

Oh Barry. Still going. Calm down na.

I too busy to answer all you questions. But will answer a few.

No invention? 5555555

Here is one little simple one you can maybe understand.

You ever invent anything Barry? Or everything you use daily life someone else invent?

 

https://www.smh.com.au/world/thai-rain-making-comes-to-qld-20100808-11q5f.html

 

 

 

Stopping drunk and drug people doesn’t prevent accidents? 555555 Oh Barry.

 

Ok Barry. What you think? What distance? Please teach me.

 

look like other agree with me about that. 555555555

https://www.drivingtests.co.nz/roadcode-questions/car/core/when-should-you-apply-the-four-second-ru/

 

You can read Thai after 25 years. Or too difficult for you Barry?

 

You finish high school Barry?

 

 

Okay, okay. Thais know everything about everything and are never wrong. Sorry. You haven't yet responded to another poster asking, if things are fine here, why Thailand has one of the deadliest road death tolls in the world. Perhaps you can enlighten us. Recently someone. a Thai of course, said that all the accidents were caused by us nasty aliens. What do you think?

[GeorgeCross]

On 6/19/2019 at 11:13 AM, spidermike007 said:

When I was growing up, we took drivers education courses. They showed us horrendous films, or semi trucks plowing into cars, and literally obliterating everything in their path. They also showed us graphic images of head on collisions. 120mph impacts. Even as a young kid, it made quite an impression. It was horrific, and it was hard to get those images out of your head afterwards. But, it left a lasting impression, and when I started driving, I understood it was serious business, and that it was a very dangerous thing to do.

 

I see people driving here, with their families in the car, and doing things, and taking the kinds of risks no rational or sane person with common sense would do. What for? To gain one minute? Why take those risks? What is the logic? Often, when I am cruising along at 100kph, someone cuts right in front of me. Or someone comes out from the side road, right in front of me. I have to slam on my brakes, or change lanes to avoid him. I look in my rearview mirror, and there is nobody behind me. So, if he had waited two seconds, he would have had completely safe passage onto the highway. What gives? Where is the intelligence, caution, and prudence? Where is the common sense? What about just the survival instinct? 

 

The only way to survive here on the road, is to be patient, have eyes in the back of your head, drive with caution, and always, and I mean always watch out of the other guy. Chances are, he does not have much driving skill, nor patience, nor reason, nor common sense. You cannot be too careful on the road here. Especially considering that the toy police offer no traffic safety, nor enforcement of the law. And Casper the ghost is more visible than the incredibly hapless highway patrol.

 

All of this applies even more so, if driving a motorcycle. 

 

the one that gets me is when one of these idiots tailgates me for a km or so then finally slams it around me.. only to take the next left.

 

 

[Yinn]

1 minute ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Okay, okay. Thais know everything about everything and are never wrong.

Not say that Barry. I just correct you mistake.

1 minute ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Sorry.

No problem. You didn’t know.

1 minute ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

You haven't yet responded to another poster asking, if things are fine here, why Thailand has one of the deadliest road death tolls in the world.

 

I did Barry. Read my first one. Motorbikes is 80%. Seatbelt and drunk is also the problem.

1 minute ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Perhaps you can enlighten us. Recently someone. a Thai of course, said that all the accidents were caused by us nasty aliens. What do you think?

You call yourself “nasty alien”????

 

Of course it not true. Stupid thing to say. 

You sure about that? I don’t believe. But if you tell me who said that I will believe you.

 

You not answer my question Barry.

 

 

[Yinn]

Hello everyone.

Have a lot of thred about the road death in Thailand. 

I know is big problem. 22,000 per year. 80% motorbike. And die in the pickup. Like that.

 

Many poster have their reason why Thailand have a lot of people die. And care so much. Thankyou everyone care so much about that.

 

The way some poster say about that, make you think caucasion country don’t have the problem.

 

But I check it on Wikipedia and the caucasion country more than 157,000 die last year. Terrible isn’t it?

 

Many Thai like to get the visa to go to there. But it not look safe like some people say. It dangerous also. Less than Thailand, but still the terrible problem. So many die in caucasion country? What can we do?

 

ps. I know my English is so so. I come here to train my English. My teacher recommend. It is more fun to talk to the foreigner about Thailand than reading a textbook which is boring. Please don’t “mock” that.

 

My suggestion wear seatbelt, drive the car, not drunk, not fast, not use phone, use the lights if have rain, slowly slowly.

 

Goodluck

[Yinn]

RichardvColeman. Do you think 

Can't help but wonder if the government do nothing as they own shares in car sales plants (or funeral sales) ! The more crashes and deaths the more profit !

[Yinn]

Drtuner

It's just darwinism. Give them all big bikes and call it the purge.

 

think spacial awareness is highly correlated with general IQ. It's the braindead blocking the aisles. Can't fix stupid.

 

 

Edited June 20, 2019 by Yinn

[Yinn]

Darkdog

Is because farang really have very little or no spatial awareness of others.

[Bangkok Barry]

18 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Not say that Barry. I just correct you mistake.

No problem. You didn’t know.

I did Barry. Read my first one. Motorbikes is 80%. Seatbelt and drunk is also the problem.

You call yourself “nasty alien”????

 

Of course it not true. Stupid thing to say. 

You sure about that? I don’t believe. But if you tell me who said that I will believe you.

 

You not answer my question Barry.

 

 

 

I'm not taking this any further. You try to deflect from the subject (do I speak Thai, what is my level of education etc), which is that Thailand has some of the deadliest roads in the world, and all you come up with is a figure of how many died on motorcycles. Why does it matter to you how they died? Are you suggesting that as the majority were on bikes they don't matter? They shouldn't count? Many hundreds die each month. End of. Where I come from, it takes a year to reach the same number of road deaths that Thailand reaches in less than a month. Same population number in both countries. Why, and what is your country doing about it? As far as I can see, absolutely nothing as the problem is too deep rooted to remedy.

[Yinn]

Cantrbrigbankoer

 

Precisely, I often wonder if Farangs are impaired in some way in this regard. It's baffling and so ubiquitous that it genuinely makes me wonder - you see examples of it everywhere:

- walking around the cities here 

- shopping

- driving

 

It all adds up to the same likely mental deficit. 

 

' spatial awareness in humans is a function largely confined to the right superior temporal cortex '

 

Maybe they don't have one or it's severely underdeveloped???  It seems to be an issue across Asia actually, but most certainly in Farangland.

 

Again, harsh but true - the more dimnos that kill themselves because of dangerous and incompetent driving, I would hope, the fewer of them around to hurt more responsible others. Of course, there's always the next generation. I just hope something changes for the better, for their sake... shan't hold my breath.

[Yinn]

Blue sofa

Something I've been saying years, that until they are encouraged to think nothing will change.

 

We all know the powers at the top want to prevent any critical thinking for as long a possible, because as soon as that happens and the population realise what a shit deal they've been getting for centuries, it will be the start of an uprising.

[Yinn]

Outsider

Maybe it's a combination of lack of spatial awareness AND plain ignorance i.e. 'if you're in such a hurry why don't you use another aisle, or drive around me' mentality? And that's when they are sober!

 

And yes I guess they do think foreigners are so easily scared of this and that. I also think it is the 'mai phen rai' mindset. That things will be ok, and will take care of themselves. They just 'go for the moment', sparing no thoughts of what might lay ahead. For example, they'd drive out onto the main road from a side-lane, thinking whoever is coming will see them and brake. They don't think about closure speed etc. and that the car coming towards them won't be able to stop even if it had reverse thrusters. Ditto people riding without helmets and all other nuances we see on Farang roads. They only realise things can go wrong, when they actually do go wrong. Fatally so, on some occasions.

[Yinn]

Bangkok Barry like this?

- I have never detected any sign of common sense in a Farang, and I've been living here for over 25 years. I am not sure how you teach that, but anyway there is no movement to do so.

2 - The Farang have a Me First mentality that is deeply ingrained, and that is the last thing you want to see in a driver.

3 - The education system demands that you do not think for yourself but listen and obey, so Farangs do not develop the necessary skills to actually think. That may result in my first point above.

4 - Learning to drive in a proper and responsible manner is quite difficult, and Farangs  do not do difficult. Thais do 'near enough', but on the roads that isn't 'good enough'. One mistake can cost lives, so being lucky enough to get it right most of the time isn't good enough either.

5 - They have absolutely no concept that the vehicle they are attempting to operate is a potential killer. No concept at all.

6 - Along with inadequate teaching of all things about how to drive properly and safely, there is no test to determine if you have reached a standard where you are not a danger to yourself and others before you take to the road.

7 - Farangs  do not seem able to join the dots, and realise that if, for example, they drive at 120 kms an hour five metres behind the vehicle in front, or drive at night with no rear light (or front light if they are driving on the wrong side of the road because they have no concept of the danger), then they would have no time to react if the vehicle in front breaks suddenly. Ask any Farang what their safe breaking distance is and they would have no idea.

 

 

None of this will change as 1 - it would mean taking everyone off the road until they were able to take a real driving test and 2 - the people that would be responsible for initiate the change are not interested as they are given police escorts wherever they go. It needs a VIP or member of the royal family to be killed for anything to happen, and even then the task would be too hard (and Farangs don't do hard).

[Yinn]

So if the farang is so different. Why 157,000 die every year?

[Yinn]

Nong38

The word that Farangs dpnt understand...…………….consideration.

[White Christmas13]

I can smell a rat

[Yinn]

17 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

I'm not taking this any further. You try to deflect from the subject (do I speak Thai, what is my level of education etc),

Barry you talk about education.

17 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

which is that Thailand has some of the deadliest roads in the world, and all you come up with is a figure of how many died on motorcycles. Why does it matter to you how they died?

Because Barry. If you have a accident in a car at 30-50 km you will not die. But on the motorbike you do. So because Thailand have so many motorbike, this people die. Not just go to repair shop. Understand?

17 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Are you suggesting that as the majority were on bikes they don't matter? They shouldn't count?

No. But if drive the car most of them would not die. So it make the higher dead number. Understand yet?

 

17 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Many hundreds die each month. End of. Where I come from, it takes a year to reach the same number of road deaths that Thailand reaches in less than a month. Same population number in both countries. 

The car death is nearly the same. Less than ten everyday.

 

take care Barry.

 

ps. You still not tell me the safe distance

 

[Yinn]

21 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

I can smell a rat

I make the mistake.

i think I post on my new thred about what about the 157,000 die in the farang country every year. 

But it disappear? Think I can not talk about that maybe.

sorry

[MartinL]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

i think I post on my new thred about what about the 157,000 die in the farang country every year. 

But it disappear? Think I can not talk about that maybe.

 

I'm sure you kept a copy of your 'disappeared' thread and all the data and sources you used in your research to arrive at the 157,000 deaths figure. 

 

Why not rewrite it and repost?

[joecoolfrog]

Deny , make excuses , do nothing .Yinn has perfectly encapsulated the problem and why it will never improve.

Edited June 20, 2019 by joecoolfrog

[marcusarelus]

3 hours ago, Yinn said:

I make the mistake.

i think I post on my new thred about what about the 157,000 die in the farang country every year. 

But it disappear? Think I can not talk about that maybe.

sorry

UK had 2,019

USA had 39,888

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

[Yinn]

12 hours ago, MartinL said:

 

I'm sure you kept a copy of your 'disappeared' thread and all the data and sources you used in your research to arrive at the 157,000 deaths figure. 

 

Why not rewrite it and repost?

If they take it off I think they angry about it right? I just want to help, not make them angry.

 

12 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Deny , make excuses , do nothing .Yinn has perfectly encapsulated the problem and why it will never improve.

157,000 dead. I think you are correct joecoolfrog.

 

12 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

UK had 2,019

USA had 39,888

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

 

Canada                    2118
New Zealand            364
USA                         39888
UK                              2019
Australia.                   1,351
Europe.                     84,589
Russia                        27,025
                       Total.   157,354

Thailand 22,000

[essox essox]

On 6/19/2019 at 11:13 AM, spidermike007 said:

When I was growing up, we took drivers education courses. They showed us horrendous films, or semi trucks plowing into cars, and literally obliterating everything in their path. They also showed us graphic images of head on collisions. 120mph impacts. Even as a young kid, it made quite an impression. It was horrific, and it was hard to get those images out of your head afterwards. But, it left a lasting impression, and when I started driving, I understood it was serious business, and that it was a very dangerous thing to do.

 

I see people driving here, with their families in the car, and doing things, and taking the kinds of risks no rational or sane person with common sense would do. What for? To gain one minute? Why take those risks? What is the logic? Often, when I am cruising along at 100kph, someone cuts right in front of me. Or someone comes out from the side road, right in front of me. I have to slam on my brakes, or change lanes to avoid him. I look in my rearview mirror, and there is nobody behind me. So, if he had waited two seconds, he would have had completely safe passage onto the highway. What gives? Where is the intelligence, caution, and prudence? Where is the common sense? What about just the survival instinct? 

 

The only way to survive here on the road, is to be patient, have eyes in the back of your head, drive with caution, and always, and I mean always watch out of the other guy. Chances are, he does not have much driving skill, nor patience, nor reason, nor common sense. You cannot be too careful on the road here. Especially considering that the toy police offer no traffic safety, nor enforcement of the law. And Casper the ghost is more visible than the incredibly hapless highway patrol.

 

All of this applies even more so, if driving a motorcycle. 

great post......

[MartinL]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

Canada                    2118
New Zealand            364
USA                         39888
UK                              2019
Australia.                   1,351
Europe.                     84,589
Russia                        27,025
                       Total.   157,354

Thailand 22,000

Let's pick that to pieces, shall we?

 

First, both UK and Russia are in Europe so you've included their 29,044 road deaths twice in the European figure. So Europe's deaths are really 55,545 which reduces total deaths for the 'farang' countries you identify to 128,310.

 

Looks VERY bad against Thailand's 22,000 doesn't it?

 

How about including population in there and calculate deaths per 100,000 population - an accepted way of quoting these stats. This is what we get:-

 

 

	Pop'n.	Road	Deaths/
	millions	Deaths	100,000
Australia	24	1,351	5.63
Canada	37	2,118	5.72
New Zealand	5	364	7.28
Russia	144	27,025	18.77
UK	66	2,019	3.06
USA	325	39,888	12.27
Europe	534	55,545	10.40
TOTAL	1,135	128,310	11.30
Thailand	69	22,000	31.88

 

Note that Europe's population excludes UK and Russia. 

 

Thailand has a 'deaths/100,000' figure that is 70% more than the worst of those, Russia, and nearly 10.5 times the best of them, UK.

 

But I get the impression you're averse to using the 'deaths/100,000' parameter because it doesn't suit your agenda.

 

Before you go on about the difference being due to motorcycles, let me tell you that in 1950, UK had a population of about 48 million and road deaths of 5012 (less than Thailand's casualties in the first half of 2019) = 10.4/100,000. Still only 33% of Thailand's figures today yet there was a far higher proportion of motorcycles on the roads in UK than today.

 

As it happens, I agree with you that motorcycles are the prime cause of Thailand's high road deaths. Whether it 60%, 80% I don't know but I've often seen 80% quoted. Having been a biker in UK for 38 years, including as an advanced riding trainer, and in Thailand for 10, I can honestly say that I've never seen so many absolutely stupid antics performed so frequently by so many motorcyclists as I've seen in Thailand and continue to see every time I go out on the roads. If motorcyclists didn't act so stupidly - and notice I'm saying it's MOTORCYCLISTS that are stupid, not Thais in general - then they wouldn't lose their lives in such staggering numbers.

 

Refs.:-

Road deaths; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

 

Population; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_(United_Nations)

 

Historical UK road deaths; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reported_Road_Casualties_Great_Britain

 

Historical UK population; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom

Edited June 21, 2019 by MartinL