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[Mel52]

Unfortunately on 9-11 an extremely cowardly and extreme act of terrorism occurred and changed the world forever and I sympathize

 

 

 

 

[Roy Baht]

27 minutes ago, Mel52 said:

If I discussed the details of why I have some training regarding biometrics screening I’d be violating the United States espionage act. But I’ll tell you that it has something to do with passports and other identities if you haven’t gotten the hint

 

 

 

 

In short, "If I told you, I'd have to kill you"

[Mel52]

I was in Afghanistan a month after 9-11 and I watched it happen live on the news that day at work. So I was effected by it besides just having to take off my shoes at the airport. But I volunteered to go to war the innocent victims in New York that day didn’t volunteer to be attacked by the cowards so if the 9-11 victims fund asks for donations then donate I know I will if they need it as much as I can afford

 

 

 

 

[Mel52]

In short, "If I told you, I'd have to kill you"

 

No I’d just go to federal prison for 5 to 10 years. If I killed you it would probably be life in prison lol

 

On the other hand if I sold you secrets then it would be life in prison for sure possibly even the death penalty but no one has received the death penalty for spying against the United States in decades. I think Robert Hansen and Aldrich Ames should have got the death penalty

 

[kinyara]

Without wishing to read all 25 pages of this thread I'll just post my experience as I was in those queues on Friday afternoon. It took me an hour to get through and for the first time ever seeing the queues all the way down the ramp at the first immigration section I went to the second but exactly the same queue length. Half the immigration desks were as usual unmanned and neither I nor anyone in the queue I was in were asked to do the fingerprint scanning. So if the scanning is only being sporadically rather than systematically enforced it renders the whole process pointless.

 

It's an ongoing disgrace that they cannot fully man the immigration counters, what a first impression that gives of Thailand to newcomers and very strange when "the image of Thailand" is so important to the authorities.

 

 

[sjaak327]

34 minutes ago, HHTel said:

If your argument is valid then it applies to many airports around the world both east and west.  This is not a 'Thai thing'.  They're just catching up with what has been happening for years.

I never claimed it was a Thai thing, it is a government thing, to store as much data of people as possible, and you really think this is not invading our privacy ? Anyway, I am dying to hear what airports the world over do this, precious few I would think. No western European airport is doing this right now. And if they start as some claim on here, I would like to point out to them that such a pratice could be in violation of their touted GDPR law….

 

As to my argument, please explain to me how fingerprinting people and storing it in a database helps with preventing crimes ? It just helps with identification, something a passport already does. It does not do anything more. And yes, that applies to all of those other airports where they supposedly are doing this...

[Roy Baht]

1 hour ago, moe666 said:

So these people you know planned on staying here by telling a lie that they had the income. Good good ridance

I'm just stating a fact. People are indeed leaving. I agree that people who can't afford to live here, shouldn't live here. But to say that people are just talking about leaving and not actually leaving is untrue.

[Traubert]

5 hours ago, Creasy said:

Every moron who has not completed their form when they reach the front of the line should be escorted right to the back.

 

I'm looking at you Chinese

If your form was in Chinese and you were offered no help can we call you a moron too?

 

In fact do we have to wait for that eventuality? It's shining bright from where I sit.

[Traubert]

5 hours ago, Creasy said:

Every moron who has not completed their form when they reach the front of the line should be escorted right to the back.

 

I'm looking at you Chinese

 

[Traubert]

5 hours ago, Creasy said:

Every moron who has not completed their form when they reach the front of the line should be escorted right to the back.

 

I'm looking at you Chinese

I

 

[Roy Baht]

5 minutes ago, Traubert said:

If your form was in Chinese and you were offered no help can we call you a moron too?

 

In fact do we have to wait for that eventuality? It's shining bright from where I sit.

You can say that again

[grumpy 4680]

       So if there's a crime committed, they can go straight to the immigration data, then turn it off, because it could not possibly be a Thai.

[Traubert]

52 minutes ago, Mel52 said:

 

No I’d just go to federal prison for 5 to 10 years. If I killed you it would probably be life in prison lol

 

On the other hand if I sold you secrets then it would be life in prison for sure possibly even the death penalty but no one has received the death penalty for spying against the United States in decades. I think Robert Hansen and Aldrich Ames should have got the death penalty

 

Mel, just enjoy your retirement.

 

The photograph is not a retinal or iris scan. It's facial recognition. 22 salient points of your facial structure, said to be unique to the nth degree. It's accuracy rivals DNA analysis. Its been about for years now.

[Chazar]

44 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Mel, just enjoy your retirement.

 

The photograph is not a retinal or iris scan. It's facial recognition. 22 salient points of your facial structure, said to be unique to the nth degree. It's accuracy rivals DNA analysis. Its been about for years now.

Compared to other biometric systems[edit]

One key advantage of a facial recognition system that it is able to person mass identification as it does not require the cooperation of the test subject to work. Properly designed systems installed in airports, multiplexes, and other public places can identify individuals among the crowd, without passers-by even being aware of the system.^[62]

However, as compared to other biometric techniques, face recognition may not be most reliable and efficient. Quality measures are very important in facial recognition systems as large degrees of variations are possible in face images. Factors such as illumination, expression, pose and noise during face capture can affect the performance of facial recognition systems.^[62] Among all biometric systems, facial recognition has the highest false acceptance and rejection rates,^[62] thus questions have been raised on the effectiveness of face recognition software in cases of railway and airport security.^{[citation nee}

[Roy Baht]

34 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Mel, just enjoy your retirement.

 

The photograph is not a retinal or iris scan. It's facial recognition. 22 salient points of your facial structure, said to be unique to the nth degree. It's accuracy rivals DNA analysis. Its been about for years now.

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Traubert, just <deleted>.  You have already demonstrated your moral superiority with your defense of the Chinese. When the hell are you going to learn how to post in an internet forum? You posted the same thing three fookin times. And we're supposed to think you're a genius?

 

 

Leave Mel alone. He is a senior citizen, a veteran of things you know nothing about and if he told you what he knew, HE WOULD HAVE TO KILL YOU. Just be happy that there are more people like Mel in the world than people like you. I know I am.

 

 

[Chazar]

1 hour ago, kinyara said:

Without wishing to read all 25 pages of this thread I'll just post my experience as I was in those queues on Friday afternoon. It took me an hour to get through and for the first time ever seeing the queues all the way down the ramp at the first immigration section I went to the second but exactly the same queue length. Half the immigration desks were as usual unmanned and neither I nor anyone in the queue I was in were asked to do the fingerprint scanning. So if the scanning is only being sporadically rather than systematically enforced it renders the whole process pointless.

 

It's an ongoing disgrace that they cannot fully man the immigration counters, what a first impression that gives of Thailand to newcomers and very strange when "the image of Thailand" is so important to the authorities.

 

 

And its  not  like they dont know EXACTLY the  arrivals schedule., been like this for a long time and all the BS  spouted by  immigration etc, nothing changes except get that TM30 done  or we'll fine you "good guys" 

[Chazar]

4 hours ago, Okis said:

Corrupt higher ups at airports sell them off to agents e.tc who then sell them on to travellers like us. It's not you who are getting scammed, it is not suppose to be possible for anybody to just buy a "ticket" for the fast track lanes. 

 

It came up in a media some months ago before the old immigration boss got fired.  They said that it has stopped but ofcourse it hasn't. 

Immigration blamed the airport itself and the airport blamed the immigration. 

We  all know its those damn foreigners  fault for coming, if  they hadnt come etc etc

[Sonhia]

I live on one massive prison, this world. Where ever I go I'm tracked.

 

What a sad life I lead and bleak future I have to not look forward to.

 

Travelling is no fun, not exciting, expensive, time consuming and especially in Thailand very dangerous.

 

Welcome to your life. There is no turning back.' Tears for Fears'.. Sums it all up.

 

 

[Mel52]

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Traubert, just .  You have already demonstrated your moral superiority with your defense of the Chinese. When the hell are you going to learn how to post in an internet forum? You posted the same thing three fookin times. And we're supposed to think you're a genius?

 

 
Leave Mel alone. He is a senior citizen, a veteran of things you know nothing about and if he told you what he knew, HE WOULD HAVE TO KILL YOU. Just be happy that there are more people like Mel in the world than people like you. I know I am.
 
 

I guess it is true what they say about ignorance being bliss lmao [emoji23]

[Mel52]

I live on one massive prison, this world. Where ever I go I'm tracked.
 
What a sad life I lead and bleak future I have to not look forward to.
 
Travelling is no fun, not exciting, expensive, time consuming and especially in Thailand very dangerous.
 
Welcome to your life. There is no turning back.' Tears for Fears'.. Sums it all up.
 
 

Damn some of you people have really tough lives LMAO [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Mel52]

Mel, just enjoy your retirement.

 

The photograph is not a retinal or iris scan. It's facial recognition. 22 salient points of your facial structure, said to be unique to the nth degree. It's accuracy rivals DNA analysis. Its been about for years now.

Actually it’s both iris scan and facial recognition as well as other ways of identifying you but yeah man whatever you say lol [emoji23]

[Mel52]

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Traubert, just .  You have already demonstrated your moral superiority with your defense of the Chinese. When the hell are you going to learn how to post in an internet forum? You posted the same thing three fookin times. And we're supposed to think you're a genius?

 

 
Leave Mel alone. He is a senior citizen, a veteran of things you know nothing about and if he told you what he knew, HE WOULD HAVE TO KILL YOU. Just be happy that there are more people like Mel in the world than people like you. I know I am.
 
 

Yes it’s all one big conspiracy against foreigners in Thailand especially the Australians lol [emoji23]

[Mel52]

Mel, just enjoy your retirement.
 
The photograph is not a retinal or iris scan. It's facial recognition. 22 salient points of your facial structure, said to be unique to the nth degree. It's accuracy rivals DNA analysis. Its been about for years now.

Some of the ignorance on here is just baffling to me it makes me wonder how some of you have survived living abroad wow [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Mel52]

In short, "If I told you, I'd have to kill you"

 

No, if I told you what I’m not saying about certain things it would be a violation of Title 18 USC 793 of the United States espionage act: “Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information” punishable by 5 to 10 years in federal prison. And no killing you would be murder life in prison. It doesn’t work that way stop watching so much tv. Just imagine the challenges that biometrics screening causes for certain government agencies these days that have people traveling abroad on alias name passports for various reasons and there are so many scenarios it’s quite difficult to out think the system. And by the way I got news for you they are using more technology than just iris scanning and facial recognition software they’ve got all kinds of technology that can identify you many different ways even by the way you walk and many other things that you will not even know about or see at the airports. And that was back in 2006 when I got my month long class on it so imagine what the technology must be like today. I retired in 2014. Hopefully you realize that there really are people in government agencies and the military that do stuff like this it’s not uncommon at all. Most people that do or did the kind of work I used to do would just ignore bs topics like this.

[Mel52]

But I can’t resist at least trying to tell people that this isn’t just a Thai immigration thing it’s a world wide thing that most countries use in their airports and almost all ports of entry. There are probably still a few third world countries in places like Africa and other countries that may not be taking part in it yet but pretty much the whole world is using biometrics screening technology at almost all airports in the world. And again the biometrics screening technology is going to continue to be upgraded as the technology advances. They most certainly do use iris scanning all over the world including Thailand, look it up for yourself it’s a fact. Most people have known about it for years just as I have it’s pretty much basic common knowledge these days unless you don’t keep up with stuff like that which I can fully understand. If it wasn’t for my background I probably wouldn’t know anything about biometrics screening at airports.

 

 

 

 

[Mel52]

Another thing is that a lot of countries are using different types of biometrics screening technology so I understand the confusion about it.

 

 

 

 

[Mel52]

Honestly I think this horse is beat to death so I’m out. But look up biometrics screening technology online you’ll see what I’m talking about. I have not said anything that isn’t already public knowledge.

 

 

 

 

[user68677878]

Just like this everyday in the UK

[Mel52]

Just like this everyday in the UK

Yep it’s the whole world man it ain’t just Thailand. I’ve waited over 3 hours a few times at Dulles international airport in the dc area standing in line the whole 3 hours. Suvarnabhumi airport has always been crowded as long as I can remember none of this stuff is new or news.

[NoshowJones]

On 6/28/2019 at 5:53 PM, possum1931 said:

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But that would be helping the good guys like us, and that is the last thing they would ever want to do.