Thai producers complain of China’s imposition of GMP on durian

[webfact]

Thai producers complain of China’s imposition of GMP on durian

 

 

Thai durian exporters and orchard owners have expressed serious concern that China’s recent imposition of Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) certification, the system for ensuring that products are consistently produced and controlled according to quality standards, on Thailand’s “king of fruits” will negatively affect durian exports to China and suppress the price of the fruit.

 

Only about 20% of durian exporters in Thailand’s southern provinces, and about 50% of the exporters in the northeastern region, have GMP certification, according to durian trading sources. There are fears that, if the number of exporters who buy durian for export to China is substantially reduced because of imposition of GMP, the price of durian may drop to less than 100 baht per kg.

 

The sources pointed out that the harvest season in the South is due to start at the end of this month and lasts through August.  About 400,000 tonnes of southern durian are expected to be harvested this season.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-producers-complain-of-chinas-imposition-of-gmp-on-durian/

 

 

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[Matzzon]

52 minutes ago, webfact said:

Thai durian exporters and orchard owners have expressed serious concern that China’s recent imposition of Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) certification, the system for ensuring that products are consistently produced and controlled according to quality standards, on Thailand’s “king of fruits” will negatively affect durian exports to China and suppress the price of the fruit.

This is not in anyway implemented to suppress the price of the fruit. Due to that most people in Thailand laks the capability to do things on a regular basis, this is things that have to be implemented. Of course, if they do not work after the quality standards, then it will affect the price. This si something that all countries have implemented, and time for this population to understand and deal with instead of delivering shit and then complaining about the profit.

[bangkokfrog]

The hide of the ungrateful Chinese. We go to a lot of trouble to find ways to relieve their tourists of their money here, and their government has the temerity to insist that durian production follows hygienic food processing practices

[fforest1]

This is good....Durian is to expensive...

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Thai durian exporters and orchard owners have expressed serious concern that China’s recent imposition of Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) certification,

understand that any and all products should have a quality controlled certification system to obey by what I don't understand is why China is asking for one from Thailand since China doesn't have one in it's own Chinese products, laughable.....

[jaltsc]

"...will negatively affect durian exports to China and suppress the price of the fruit."

 

This has to be the epitome of irony. The desire for durian by Chinese tourists, and their willingness to pay any price for the fruit, has doubled, and in some areas of Thailand tripled its price, thus making it unaffordable for many Thais. The outcome of GMP might be that the average Chinese can afford to buy it in China. However,  the Chinese tourists will still be willing to pay the high price when visiting Thailand, and the average Thai might never be able to afford to buy it again, other than for very special occasions. 

Edited July 5, 2019 by jaltsc

[zydeco]

38 minutes ago, jaltsc said:

"...will negatively affect durian exports to China and suppress the price of the fruit."

 

This has to be the epitome of irony. The desire for durian by Chinese tourists, and their willingness to pay any price for the fruit, has doubled, and in some areas of Thailand tripled its price, thus making it unaffordable for many Thais. The outcome of GMP might be that the average Chinese can afford to buy it in China. However,  the Chinese tourists will still be willing to pay the high price when visiting Thailand, and the average Thai might never be able to afford to buy it again, other than for very special occasions. 

Xi's One Belt One Road only goes in one direction, towards China.

[connda]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

There are fears that, if the number of exporters who buy durian for export to China is substantially reduced because of imposition of GMP, the price of durian may drop to less than 100 baht per kg.

Not a bad thing at all for local Thai consumers.

[taichiplanet]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) certification

as opposed to the current MPRMP (Mai Pen Rai Manufacturing Practice) certification

[xtrnuno41]

The Chinese dont matter at all. They will also buy the fruit off standard, its way cheaper.

Maybe by standard its for the elite to eat and the rest for any other Chinese.

THey will buy all. Thai can not eat Durian again anymore.

Also the Chinese are buying orchards in Thailand, i dont know how its possible but they buy and run it

in Chinese way with Chinese workers !! This will also start with all other fruits.

Thailand sleeps and only some Thai high placed people get again more rich.  

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Thai durian exporters and orchard owners have expressed serious concern that China’s recent imposition of Good Manufacturing Practice (GMP) certification, the system for ensuring that products are consistently produced and controlled according to quality standards, on Thailand’s “king of fruits” will negatively affect durian exports to China and suppress the price of the fruit.

Can't ship your crap to China so lets all kick-up a fuss !

[spidermike007]

The GMP standards appear to be designed to set a standard for manufacturing and pharmaceutical production. How can this be applied towards fruit imports? It sounds a bit fishy to me. And more than likely the hurdles for qualifying are both expensive, and onerous. So, there must be an agenda in play here. 

 

https://www.pacificbridgemedical.com/regulatory-services/medical-device-pharmaceutical/quality-compliance/china/

 

 

[placnx]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The GMP standards appear to be designed to set a standard for manufacturing and pharmaceutical production. How can this be applied towards fruit imports? It sounds a bit fishy to me. And more than likely the hurdles for qualifying are both expensive, and onerous. So, there must be an agenda in play here.

Here is link from FAO regarding GMP standards for fruit export:

http://www.fao.org/3/V5030E/V5030E0t.htm

[Srikcir]

7 hours ago, Mavideol said:

what I don't understand is why China is asking for one from Thailand since China doesn't have one in it's own Chinese products

It may be as simple as the Chinese government can directly monitor Food and Agricultural production processes taking place in China but obviously cannot do the same with foreign imported products. China has since 2014 imposed GMP as one of the four pillars of China’s national food safety standard framework (the other three are basic standards, standards of foods/food additives/food-related products,and testing methods and regulations).

https://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent%20GAIN%20Publications/Food%20and%20Agricultural%20Import%20Regulations%20and%20Standards%20Report_Beijing_China%20-%20Peoples%20Republic%20of_2-25-2019.pdf

 

[Srikcir]

26 minutes ago, placnx said:

Here is link from FAO regarding GMP standards for fruit export:

http://www.fao.org/3/V5030E/V5030E0t.htm

It applies to "processed fruits and vegetables" as does China's GMP.

 

Export of unprocessed fruits and vegetables isn't specifically mentioned. 

So I think there's a legitimate question of whether China's GMP correctly applies to import of Thai Durian and other raw fruits. See page 21 of the China-Peoples Republic of Food and Agricultural Import Regulations and Standards Report FAIRS Annual Country Report (February 2019) which describes the scope of China's GMP. https://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent GAIN Publications/Food and Agricultural Import Regulations and Standards Report_Beijing_China - Peoples Republic of_2-25-2019.pdf

 

If China's GMP doesn't apply to import of Durian, then the intentional misstatement might have some ultimate political objective. 

[DrTuner]

I think instead of GMP they should demand the protocal for hazardous waste is strictly followed. Need a hazmat suit to open the stinkbombs.

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

How can this be applied towards fruit imports?

I don't think it does apply!

See my response to plancx in my post #16.

See page 21 of the China-Peoples Republic of Food and Agricultural Import Regulations and Standards Report FAIRS Annual Country Report (February 2019) which describes the scope of China's GMP. https://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent GAIN Publications/Food and Agricultural Import Regulations and Standards Report_Beijing_China - Peoples Republic of_2-25-2019.pdf

I see no specific mention of raw, unprocessed fruits such as Durian in its original shell exterior that would be covered by the GMP. The GMP is very precise and detailed. If the imported fruit is not processed in any way (I don't see wash down of whole raw fruit to remove dirt, etc, being considered processing).

China has banned the use of certain pesticides in its domestic agriculture (while allowing manufacturing of such pesticide solely for export) that went into effect this year, so it might require a pesticide-free cert. Such cert. may be covered by laws and/or regulations apart from a GMP.

So there's something suspicious if China is imposing GMP on Durian fruit imports.

Maybe it's really a political test - how much can China push Thailand towards an obedient "partner" who doesn't question China's trade policies?

[Redline]

It’s a fact, deal with it-whine whine

[RichardColeman]

Could probably get round this by selling it on Aliexpress or alibarbar !

[Isaan sailor]

Thailand has turned its back on the west, and embraces Chinese hot money instead. This diminishes exports and tourism. They keep interest rates high to attract even more hot money...

[LomSak27]

18 hours ago, Matzzon said:

This is not in anyway implemented to suppress the price of the fruit. Due to that most people in Thailand laks the capability to do things on a regular basis, this is things that have to be implemented. Of course, if they do not work after the quality standards, then it will affect the price. This si something that all countries have implemented, and time for this population to understand and deal with instead of delivering shit and then complaining about the profit.

 

Sounds like it is implemented exactly to suppress the price. Given china's notorious and blatant stealing of patented technology worldwide, this is just another charade by the People's Republic.     

 

Not good in this time of economic stagnation and recession in Thailand. Sad to see how much China really cares about its trading partners.

 

 

 

Edited July 5, 2019 by LomSak27

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Could probably get round this by selling it on Aliexpress or alibarbar !

I doubt it with co-founder and CEO Jack Ma being a member of the Communist Party Politburo.

If he wants to continue being a billionaire, he'll comply with the GMP.

[DLock]

2 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

 

Sounds like it is implemented exactly to suppress the price. Given china's notorious and blatant stealing of patented technology worldwide, this is just another charade by the People's Republic.     

 

Not good in this time of economic stagnation and recession in Thailand. Sad to see how much China really cares about its trading partners.

 

 

 

 

I think this is more to ensure the quality of farming techniques provides safe and good quality fruit than to manipulate the price or steal the secrets of the Durian.

 

I think it's sad that Farmer Somchai hasn't joined the GMP to guarantee the quality of the fruit.

 

Its sad to see that Farmer Somchai doesn't care about his consumers.

[Oziex1]

Well well, when you look beyond your borders there's a different world out there. One you have little control over.

[Mavideol]

16 hours ago, Srikcir said:

It may be as simple as the Chinese government can directly monitor Food and Agricultural production processes taking place in China but obviously cannot do the same with foreign imported products. China has since 2014 imposed GMP as one of the four pillars of China’s national food safety standard framework (the other three are basic standards, standards of foods/food additives/food-related products,and testing methods and regulations).

https://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent GAIN Publications/Food and Agricultural Import Regulations and Standards Report_Beijing_China - Peoples Republic of_2-25-2019.pdf

 

sorry mate but can't be, was there in 2014 and nothing was implemented, as always, Chinese promises but no actions follow, easy to put up (fake) articles, they are specialists at that

[spidermike007]

17 hours ago, Srikcir said:

I don't think it does apply!

See my response to plancx in my post #16.

See page 21 of the China-Peoples Republic of Food and Agricultural Import Regulations and Standards Report FAIRS Annual Country Report (February 2019) which describes the scope of China's GMP. https://gain.fas.usda.gov/Recent GAIN Publications/Food and Agricultural Import Regulations and Standards Report_Beijing_China - Peoples Republic of_2-25-2019.pdf

I see no specific mention of raw, unprocessed fruits such as Durian in its original shell exterior that would be covered by the GMP. The GMP is very precise and detailed. If the imported fruit is not processed in any way (I don't see wash down of whole raw fruit to remove dirt, etc, being considered processing).

China has banned the use of certain pesticides in its domestic agriculture (while allowing manufacturing of such pesticide solely for export) that went into effect this year, so it might require a pesticide-free cert. Such cert. may be covered by laws and/or regulations apart from a GMP.

So there's something suspicious if China is imposing GMP on Durian fruit imports.

Maybe it's really a political test - how much can China push Thailand towards an obedient "partner" who doesn't question China's trade policies?

I think you are on to something. Makes no sense. The Chinese are up to no good here. There is an agenda and it does not pass the whiff test. 

 

They are one of the world's biggest violators. Of nearly everything. And they are imposing these standards on imports? Free trade my butt. China is heinously restrictive of imports. Lock Xi up!

[LNKDES1]

On 7/5/2019 at 12:03 PM, fforest1 said:

This is good....Durian is to expensive...

I don't care how much it costs, it won't be crossing my lips.

[Srikcir]

23 hours ago, Mavideol said:

sorry mate but can't be, was there in 2014 and nothing was implemented, as always, Chinese promises but no actions follow, easy to put up (fake) articles, they are specialists at that

I don't expect the U.S. Department of Agriculture would reference fake news in its article relative to 2014.

[CLW]

Welcome Thailand to the real world of international trade where you can't export your sub-standard, dirty, pesticide soaked products anymore.

Hope this is going to be a wake up call!

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

I don't expect the U.S. Department of Agriculture would reference fake news in its article relative to 2014.

you would be surprise if they did? I don't, it happens all the time and since I saw with my own eyes who do you think I will believe first, but we don't have to agree on that..... as long as we agree to disagree