UK Labour's trade union backers support second referendum onBrexit deal

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UK Labour's trade union backers support second referendum onBrexit deal

 

FILE PHOTO: Britain's opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn leaves his home in London, Britain July 3, 2019. REUTERS/Peter Nicholls/File Photo

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British trade union leaders linked to the opposition Labour Party have agreed to back a second referendum on any Brexit deal reached by the next Conservative prime minister or a no-deal exit, according to a copy of the agreement seen by Reuters.

 

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn last month supported holding a second referendum on any Brexit deal, but some in his party want him to unequivocally back a second vote and to commit Labour to campaigning to remain in the European Union.

 

The unions agreed on Monday that in a choice between a Conservative deal or a no deal and remaining in the EU, they believed Labour should campaign to remain, the text of the agreement shows.

 

Trade unions are Labour's biggest financial backers and the decision will add to pressure on Corbyn, who has come under fire for trying to keep both "Leave" and "Remain" sides happy, to move the party to supporting remaining in the EU.

 

On Sunday, the party's finance spokesman John McDonnell told BBC TV he wanted to campaign to remain if there were a second referendum.

 

Asked about the union agreement, a Labour source said Corbyn had been working to unite the party and wider Labour movement around a common agreed position.

 

The text of the union agreement said that if a national election were called, Labour's position should be that it would negotiate its own exit with the EU and then that deal should be put to the public in a second referendum.

 

In that scenario, the choice on the ballot paper would be between Labour's deal and remaining in the EU, the unions said, and how Labour campaigned in a second referendum would depend on the deal negotiated.

 

A Conservative spokesman said: "Labour promised to respect the Brexit vote, but re-running the referendum and backing remain would be an attempt to frustrate Brexit and ignore the democratic mandate to deliver it."

 

(Reporting by Elizabeth Piper and Kylie MacLellan; Editing by Andrew Cawthorne)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-07-09

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[Laughing Gravy]

Traitors to true Labour voters and people. Labour has become champagne socialists that really are middle class or liberal lefties.

The one bonus in all this that Labour has lost 60% plus voters who voted leave in the referendum. They will never get a majority in parliament, even if they won the next GE and with Corbyn at the helm, no chance in my opinion.

[dick dasterdly]

And this is one of the reasons why trade union 'leaders' are disliked by many of their membership - they are more interested in political power than representing their members. ☹️

[stephenterry]

A Conservative spokesman said: "Labour promised to respect the Brexit vote, but re-running the referendum and backing remain would be an attempt to frustrate Brexit and ignore the democratic mandate to deliver it."

 

I.E. the Tory party's mandate. Not from a POV of the wider population, which now includes Labour as well as Lib Dems.  

 

About time the Tories understood what democracy really means. It means taking everyone's view into account and making a decision on what's best for Britain, not just themselves - and that would also apply to Labour and the Lib Dems and the Trade Unions pushing to remain.

 

Without a doubt, the best course of action would be to let Johnson deliver whatever he comes up with, either forcing a GE by being rejected, or being passed by parliament, resulting in crashing the economy and sterling.

 

In the latter scenario, the UK would most likely split, possibility of civil war breaking out in Ireland, and widespread rationing, and increased crime rate. Nevertheless, starting again from scratch, with an unUnited Kingdom, would be cathartic for the political parties and the people they represent. 

 

Shame that my family would have to endure yet another one or two decade of austerity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Traitors to true Labour voters and people. Labour has become champagne socialists that really are middle class or liberal lefties.

The one bonus in all this that Labour has lost 60% plus voters who voted leave in the referendum. They will never get a majority in parliament, even if they won the next GE and with Corbyn at the helm, no chance in my opinion.

I’ve asked you numerous times to produce evidence of this 60% of Labour voters, you always fail to do so.

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

Asking the electorate will be the only way out of the impasse. And it is the most sensible thing to do. The second most sensible thing. The most sensible thing would be to bin Brexit altogether (which will happen eventually anyway). 

[Chomper Higgot]

59 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

And this is one of the reasons why trade union 'leaders' are disliked by many of their membership - they are more interested in political power than representing their members. ☹️

Perhaps they really should back a right wing coup funded by tax shy billionaires, multimillionaires and hedge fund managers.

 

Old Etonians leading the charge for an economy wrecking no deal Brexit and a future of deregulation, why ever wouldn’t union leaders support this crock of Brexit?!

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

And this is one of the reasons why trade union 'leaders' are disliked by many of their membership - they are more interested in political power than representing their members. ☹️

 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps they really should back a right wing coup funded by tax shy billionaires, multimillionaires and hedge fund managers.

 

Old Etonians leading the charge for an economy wrecking no deal Brexit and a future of deregulation, why ever wouldn’t union leaders support this crock of Brexit?!

 

Another prime example of how to avoid the point being made - in this case, re. trade union 'leaders' ......

[dick dasterdly]

18 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Asking the electorate will be the only way out of the impasse. And it is the most sensible thing to do. The second most sensible thing. The most sensible thing would be to bin Brexit altogether (which will happen eventually anyway). 

"Asking the electorate will be the only way out of the impasse."

 

At this point, I'm inclined to agree - as long as the options asked are:-

 

1) Accept the boris/hunt (whoever is elected as PM) 'deal'

2) Leave without the eu 'deal'

Edited July 9, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

Another prime example of how to avoid the point being made - in this case, re. trade union 'leaders' ......

The topic is the position being taken by trade union leaders on second referendum on Brexit, not random problems individual members have with trade union leaders.

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps they really should back a right wing coup funded by tax shy billionaires, multimillionaires and hedge fund managers.

 

Old Etonians leading the charge for an economy wrecking no deal Brexit and a future of deregulation, why ever wouldn’t union leaders support this crock of Brexit?!

Keep the red flag flying.......... so who would we back, a Corbyn/McDonnell Marxist government intent on imploding the country with their fantasy ideas. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

And this is one of the reasons why trade union 'leaders' are disliked by many of their membership - they are more interested in political power than representing their members. ☹️

 

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps they really should back a right wing coup funded by tax shy billionaires, multimillionaires and hedge fund managers.

 

Old Etonians leading the charge for an economy wrecking no deal Brexit and a future of deregulation, why ever wouldn’t union leaders support this crock of Brexit?!

 

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The topic is the position being taken by trade union leaders on second referendum on Brexit, not random problems individual members have with trade union leaders.

So perhaps you should answer the point raised in my post, rather than descending to OTT and childish comments - as per your posts quoted above?

Edited July 9, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

 

So perhaps you should answer the points raised in my post, rather than descending to OTT and childish comments - as per your posts quoted above?

OK, you complain that the Trade Unions are more interested in 'political power' than representing their members. 

 

The Trade Unions have a long history in this, they realised over a century ago that to represent the best interests of their members they needed political power, it's why they founded the Labour Party in the first place. 

 

Unions representing the best interests of workers and being politically active in the Labour Party are part an parcel of the same thing.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

Keep the red flag flying.......... so who would we back, a Corbyn/McDonnell Marxist government intent on imploding the country with their fantasy ideas. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

In the face of Brexiteers demanding a no-deal Brexit, and the damage that would do to the economy, off topic discussion of some imagined implosion brought about by Labour is rather bizarre. 

[Isaanbiker]

No comment. 

[Loiner]

Another example of the unions not representing their members or their best interests. For years they and the LAB party have only represented their own leftist ambitions and aims for political power grabs.
We need another Maggie Thatcher to sort them both out, then the EU.


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[Mike Teavee]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

And this is one of the reasons why trade union 'leaders' are disliked by many of their membership - they are more interested in political power than representing their members. ☹️

Not a big fan of Unions (Though did go out on strike once to support colleagues at that time) but in this instance it would seem that they are doing what they think is best for their members as there is no doubt that (at least over the short-medium term) Brexit (especially a No-Deal Brexit) will have a significant impact on the economy & therefore their members jobs.

 

Would be interesting to see a breakdown of the Brexit vote in terms of Un-employed, employed, retired 

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2019 by Mike Teavee

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Asking the electorate will be the only way out of the impasse."

 

At this point, I'm inclined to agree - as long as the options asked are:-

 

1) Accept the boris/hunt (whoever is elected as PM) 'deal'

2) Leave without the eu 'deal'

That doesn’t sound fair to all the people who believed by voting for Brexit they would get the cake and eat it, and who rather would want to remain than leaving being worse off. Those two options would only lead to the next biased result. Make it three options, ranked by priority, and you know once and for all know what people want when being faced with realistic options. 

Edited July 9, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[jesimps]

3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Asking the electorate will be the only way out of the impasse. And it is the most sensible thing to do. The second most sensible thing. The most sensible thing would be to bin Brexit altogether (which will happen eventually anyway). 

They've already asked the electorate and remainers refuse to accept the democratic result. Also if Brexit were binned, that would be the end of democracy in the UK as we know it.

[stephenterry]

18 minutes ago, jesimps said:

They've already asked the electorate and remainers refuse to accept the democratic result. Also if Brexit were binned, that would be the end of democracy in the UK as we know it.

It would be democratically the best for Britain if brexit was junked. 

[blazes]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve asked you numerous times to produce evidence of this 60% of Labour voters, you always fail to do so.

 

 

Someone should put Chomper out of his misery. 

 

Chomps, all you have to do is google something like "Uk latest polling" and you will come up with plenty of evidence that Labour is in serious trouble if you believe the polls.

 

A poll out today from ComRes sees BoJo gaining a 40-seat majority if he were the PM and an election were held today.

I don't know whether such a majority has any relation to this 60% Chomps is whining about, but it can't be far off.

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/08/boris-johnson-would-deliver-40-seat-majority-tories-election/

Edited July 9, 2019 by blazes

[geoffbezoz]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Another example of the unions not representing their members or their best interests. For years they and the LAB party have only represented their own leftist ambitions and aims for political power grabs.
We need another Maggie Thatcher to sort them both out, then the EU.


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The good news is the evil corrupt Thatcher is already dead and Brexit will very shortly be so to. Of course here son Mark, the mercenary backer is still around, so maybe he will support you.

[vogie]

15 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

The good news is the evil corrupt Thatcher is already dead and Brexit will very shortly be so to. Of course here son Mark, the mercenary backer is still around, so maybe he will support you.

On or off topic Chomper, whether or not remainers seem to relish in other peoples deaths.

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

Someone should put Chomper out of his misery. 

 

Chomps, all you have to do is google something like "Uk latest polling" and you will come up with plenty of evidence that Labour is in serious trouble if you believe the polls.

 

A poll out today from ComRes sees BoJo gaining a 40-seat majority if he were the PM and an election were held today.

I don't know whether such a majority has any relation to this 60% Chomps is whining about, but it can't be far off.

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/08/boris-johnson-would-deliver-40-seat-majority-tories-election/

Or so the Torygraph would have you believe.

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, vogie said:

On or off topic Chomper, whether or not remainers seem to relish in other peoples deaths.

Nothing to do with me, so why drag me into it?

[Bluespunk]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

British trade union leaders linked to the opposition Labour Party have agreed to back a second referendum on any Brexit deal reached by the next Conservative prime minister or a no-deal exit,

Kudos

[Jimbo1964]

Yep, keep voting and voting until the political elite get their own way. Why should they implement the existing democratic vote to leave when they don't have to. Typical EU and now UK style showing the total lack of democracy. 

[Guest Jerry787]

lets them get the no deal brexit that will bring UK to its knees and begging for help.

all financial institutions are downsizing investments and forecast due the imminent boris no deal ! ???? 

i am not saying shall not a brexit, as it will shake well the multinationals and bankers managed europe, but shall be with a deal and terms.

[natway09]

Sick of hearing all about the procrastination ,,,,, please for sanity's sake 

UK just do something !!!!!!

[Thingamabob]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ve asked you numerous times to produce evidence of this 60% of Labour voters, you always fail to do so.

 

You Guv reporting 60% plus.