Israeli troops kill Palestinian at Gaza border protest - medics

[mogandave]

You write utter nonsense mongandave. You are quite welcome to inform the PA that you wish to serve in the Palestinian government or indeed enrol yourself in a Gazan kindergarten. The non-jews in the Israeli government are treated despicably by racist Zionist montards.

That’s what I thought

[mogandave]

There is no argument to be had here mate, the facts are clear.
Israel is her own worst enemy, her actions are indefensible.
The continued maltreatment of the Palestinian people is the very thing that jeopardises Israels' longterm existence.
As Americas' global dominance recedes, so will Israels' ability to act with impunity.
Israel, despite the beliefs of fanatics, is nowhere near strong enough to exist without unquestioned US backing.
There will come a time when the policy of unjustly and remorselessly shooting dead Palestinians will cost Israel more than the blind fools pig headed murderous stubbornness could ever allow them to realize.
 

Why are Jews “...shooting dead Palestinians...”?

How did the Palestinians die anyway? Did the rocket they were shooting at a Jewish grade-school backfire on them?

[pornprong]

10 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Why are Jews “...shooting dead Palestinians...”?
How did the Palestinians die anyway? Did the rocket they were shooting at a Jewish grade-school backfire on them?

 

Sadly, these days, it appears that there doesn't really need to be any reason at all for and IDF soldier to slay a Palestinian child.

I repeat, nobody is doing more to harm a long and peaceful existence for Israel and Israelis than the Israelis themselves.

[mogandave]

Sadly, these days, it appears that there doesn't really need to be any reason at all for and IDF soldier to slay a Palestinian child.
I repeat, nobody is doing more to harm a long and peaceful existence for Israel and Israelis than the Israelis themselves.

So all that talk of rockets and whatnot is made up? Palestinians are sending rockets and fire bombs over into Israel?

[pornprong]

13 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So all that talk of rockets and whatnot is made up? Palestinians are sending rockets and fire bombs over into Israel?

 

There is, no doubt, plenty made up on both sides.

However, in the long run, the truth becomes obvious and apparent to all.

Over the journey, Palestinians have committed many crimes, acts of aggression and yes, terrorism.

Even with all of the above being acknowledged, Palestinians can still hold their heads higher than the Israeli's.

What a tragedy that a people who pleaded and begged the world for a homeland because of their own suffering at the hands of a brutal regime now find themselves to be the ones so grieviously mistreating another people.

Given what earlier generations of Jews suffered through, it makes their current behaviour all the more deplorable.

 

Edited July 28, 2019 by pornprong

[mogandave]

There is, no doubt, plenty made up on both sides.
However, in the long run, the truth becomes obvious and apparent to all.
Over the journey, Palestinians have committed many crimes, acts of aggression and yes, terrorism.
Even with all of the above being acknowledged, Palestinians can still hold their heads higher than the Israeli's.
What a tragedy that a people who pleaded and begged the world for a homeland because of their own suffering at the hands of a brutal regime now find themselves to be the ones so grieviously mistreating another people.
Given what earlier generations of Jews suffered through, it makes their current behaviour all the more deplorable.
 

I’m not talking about what the Palestinians have done in the past, I am talking about what is going on now.

Do Palestinians continue to shoot rockets and launch fire-bombs into Israel or not?

If so, what is it Israel should do?

[pornprong]

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I’m not talking about what the Palestinians have done in the past, I am talking about what is going on now.
Do Palestinians continue to shoot rockets and launch fire-bombs into Israel or not?
If so, what is it Israel should do?

 

Because the past is irrelevant to the present?

Bit silly mate.

 

What Israel should do is accept a 2 state solution based upon the greenline with agreed land swaps.

They'll quickly find it to be a much more effective measure to stopping Palestinian reprisals.

 

Do you really think the IDF murdering this individual will end Palestinian resistance?

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

There is, no doubt, plenty made up on both sides.

However, in the long run, the truth becomes obvious and apparent to all.

Over the journey, Palestinians have committed many crimes, acts of aggression and yes, terrorism.

Even with all of the above being acknowledged, Palestinians can still hold their heads higher than the Israeli's.

What a tragedy that a people who pleaded and begged the world for a homeland because of their own suffering at the hands of a brutal regime now find themselves to be the ones so grieviously mistreating another people.

Given what earlier generations of Jews suffered through, it makes their current behaviour all the more deplorable.

 

 

45 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Because the past is irrelevant to the present?

Bit silly mate.

 

What Israel should do is accept a 2 state solution based upon the greenline with agreed land swaps.

They'll quickly find it to be a much more effective measure to stopping Palestinian reprisals.

 

Do you really think the IDF murdering this individual will end Palestinian resistance?

 

 

Whether "Palestinians can still hold their heads higher than the Israeli's" is a matter of opinion. And while yours is pretty clear, it is hardly definitive.

 

As for harping on acceptance of the two-state solution, you do realize this topic is about the Gaza Strip. Hence, Hamas and Islamic JIhad. Hence, no acceptance of a two-state solution on their part.

 

Calling things "murder" and such is cute. Very emotive. Doubt you use the same terminology when referencing Palestinian violence, though.

 

Do you really think that Palestinian violence promotes their cause much? Improves their situation?

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[pornprong]

11 hours ago, Morch said:

Whether "Palestinians can still hold their heads higher than the Israeli's" is a matter of opinion. And while yours is pretty clear, it is hardly definitive.

The lopsided causality count makes it incredibly factual and definitive - the greater guilt lays with the Israelis.

 

11 hours ago, Morch said:

As for harping on acceptance of the two-state solution, you do realize this topic is about the Gaza Strip. Hence, Hamas and Islamic JIhad. Hence, no acceptance of a two-state solution on their part.

The people of Gaza only turned to Hamas because of a lack of progress due to decades of Israeli obstruction.

Put a valid two-state proposal on the table and Hamas disappears.

The fact is, Israel wants Hamas controlling Gaza more than the Palestinians of Gaza do.

 

11 hours ago, Morch said:

Calling things "murder" and such is cute. Very emotive. Doubt you use the same terminology when referencing Palestinian violence, though.

Not cute.

Not emotive.

Merely accurate.

 

Palestinian violence or Palestinian resistance?

 

11 hours ago, Morch said:

Do you really think that Palestinian violence promotes their cause much? Improves their situation?

What alternative course of action is available to them?

So yes, it does promote their cause and improve their situation.

What would you prefer, they remain silent and meekly accept the theft of their land and murder of their children?

At least they are forcing the world to witness the atrocities.

[Jingthing]

What alternative course of action is available to them?
So yes, it does promote their cause and improve their situation.
What would you prefer, they remain silent and meekly accept the theft of their land and murder of their children?
At least they are forcing the world to witness the atrocities.

So Israel is guilty for avoiding many casualties. That's really rich. Maybe they should sacrifice some more of their people to assuage the Israel demonization agenda.

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[mogandave]

Because the past is irrelevant to the present?
Bit silly mate.
 
What Israel should do is accept a 2 state solution based upon the greenline with agreed land swaps.
They'll quickly find it to be a much more effective measure to stopping Palestinian reprisals.
 
Do you really think the IDF murdering this individual will end Palestinian resistance?
 

No, because I would be willing to disregard Palestine’s history of continuously attacking Israel if it appeared they (the Palestinians) had stopped attacking Israel and truly had an interest in a peaceful two-state solution that included Israel as one of the states.

[pornprong]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So Israel is guilty for avoiding many casualties. That's really rich. Maybe they should sacrifice some more of their people to assuage the Israel demonization agenda.

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If a murderer doesn't get murdered does it make him any less a killer?

If a bank robber doesn't get robbed does it make him any less a thief?

If the schoolyard bully suffers less injuries than the child he assaults, is he the good guy?

 

You think Israel gets demonised?

That's rich.

They're barely, if at all, held accountable for their deplorable actions.

 

[Jingthing]

If a murderer doesn't get murdered does it make him any less a killer?
If a bank robber doesn't get robbed does it make him any less a thief?
If the schoolyard bully suffers less injuries than the child he assaults, is he the good guy?
 
You think Israel gets demonised?
That's rich.
They're barely, if at all, held accountable for their deplorable actions.
 

Of course Israel gets demonized. What do you think you're doing?

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[mogandave]

If a murderer doesn't get murdered does it make him any less a killer?
If a bank robber doesn't get robbed does it make him any less a thief?
If the schoolyard bully suffers less injuries than the child he assaults, is he the good guy?
 
You think Israel gets demonised?
That's rich.
They're barely, if at all, held accountable for their deplorable actions.
 

I think Israel is frequently demonized, I just think the people demonizing Israel are generally liars and fools.

The lopsided casualty count makes it clear to me that “Palestinians hate Jews more than they love their children.”

[pornprong]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Of course Israel gets demonized. What do you think you're doing?

Israel is portrayed nowhere near as badly as her repeated atrocities demand she should be.

Getting off very lightly indeed.  

[mogandave]

Israel is portrayed nowhere near as badly as her repeated atrocities demand she should be.
Getting off very lightly indeed.  

Yes, no doubt you believe Israel should be eradicated, yes?

[pornprong]

7 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I think Israel is frequently demonized, I just think the people demonizing Israel are generally liars and fools.
The lopsided casualty count makes it clear to me that “Palestinians hate Jews more than they love their children.”

 

Perhaps it is time to get yourself a bit better educated on the subject matter my friend.

 

You can start here:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2334

 

BTW - Ever considered the flip side of Golda Meir's quote - would you be willing to murder children in order to steal land?

[Solinvictus]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Yes, no doubt you believe Israel should be eradicated, yes?

Someone should just bomb the hell out of Israel.

 

*sarcastic*

 

But really, that gov is a nasty and vile bunch. imo

[pornprong]

10 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Yes, no doubt you believe Israel should be eradicated, yes?

 

Israel should certainly never have been created.

Now that it exists, it has a right to exist - within the 1967 borders.

 

How do you think this thing plays out?

 

Israel won't stop with the settlements and the Palestinians aren't going to disappear, in fact their numbers are only going to grow.

 

More Palestinians and less Palestinian land.......where is it heading?

 

Edited July 29, 2019 by pornprong

[mogandave]

Israel is portrayed nowhere near as badly as her repeated atrocities demand she should be.
Getting off very lightly indeed.  

How about pointing out a few of these atrocities that happened someplace other than the border?

[jany123]

28 minutes ago, mogandave said:

While you’re at it, why not tell us which Muslim leaders met with Hitler to get help eradicating the Jews?

 

Only one Muslim leader seems to have had any meaningful engagement with Hitler, but got no help in his own antisemitic  fight against the ever increasing wave of immigrants crossing into the Middle East.... there may be more.... you could tell us if you choose

 

but “perspective”... perspective is always good... so don’t forget to include the numbers of catholic or other Christian leaders of the era.... just to add perspective.

 

cmon.... who ya gonna call... ghost busters!

or.... if experiencing problems with Jews during the 1930’s.... who ya gonna call... Hitler.

[dexterm]

17 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

I’m not talking about what the Palestinians have done in the past, I am talking about what is going on now.

Do Palestinians continue to shoot rockets and launch fire-bombs into Israel or not?

If so, what is it Israel should do?

 

Easy... Allow Gazan Palestinians who were born in Israel (70% of Gaza's population including their families) and have been ethnically cleansed from there to return to their homes and land in an orderly, gradual, security vetted way. The weekly OP Great March of Return protests, other acts of resistance and the IDF's excessive response would cease.

 

The only reason Israel refuses to adopt this sensible and inevitable approach is pure racism. 

Edited July 29, 2019 by dexterm

[Morch]

4 hours ago, pornprong said:

The lopsided causality count makes it incredibly factual and definitive - the greater guilt lays with the Israelis.

 

The people of Gaza only turned to Hamas because of a lack of progress due to decades of Israeli obstruction.

Put a valid two-state proposal on the table and Hamas disappears.

The fact is, Israel wants Hamas controlling Gaza more than the Palestinians of Gaza do.

 

Not cute.

Not emotive.

Merely accurate.

 

Palestinian violence or Palestinian resistance?

 

What alternative course of action is available to them?

So yes, it does promote their cause and improve their situation.

What would you prefer, they remain silent and meekly accept the theft of their land and murder of their children?

At least they are forcing the world to witness the atrocities.

 

Claiming that the differences in casualty figures imply a moral high-ground is misleading, at best. What it reflects is one side being stronger, that's about it. There's no "guilt" associated with casualty figures per se, other than in your imagination.

 

You can post whatever made up, inaccurate versions regarding Palestinian politics you like - it wouldn't make them correct. Original support for Hamas was more to do with corruption issues pertaining to the PA. As for your assurances that Hamas will "disappear" is a credible offer was put on the table - that's your opinion, and it's not supported by anything much.

 

And no, calling things "murder" and such, is not "accurate" - again, mixing your views with facts and reality.

 

You can spin the old "resistance" bit. It doesn't change the fact that it's violent. It doesn't change the fact that much of it is despicable, or that it legally falls under the labels of terrorism and war crimes.

 

And out comes the inane "no choice" argument. There are many ways to conduct a national struggle, and there are even many ways to conduct a violent struggle. Claiming that there are no other choices is nonsense. Claiming that it promoted the Palestinian aspirations is bizarre. You'll note that there wasn't anything said about being "meek" etc. That's your version, not mine.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, pornprong said:

Israel should certainly never have been created.

Now that it exists, it has a right to exist - within the 1967 borders.

 

How do you think this thing plays out?

 

Israel won't stop with the settlements and the Palestinians aren't going to disappear, in fact their numbers are only going to grow.

 

More Palestinians and less Palestinian land.......where is it heading?

 

 

"Israel should certainly never have been created."

 

In your opinion. As far as I recall, the vote went pretty well. Those not completely caught up in nonsense rhetoric would realize that it's also the basis for the foundation of a Palestinian State.

[Morch]

24 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Easy... Allow Gazan Palestinians who were born in Israel (70% of Gaza's population including their families) and have been ethnically cleansed from there to return to their homes and land in an orderly, gradual, security vetted way. The weekly OP Great March of Return protests, other acts of resistance and the IDF's excessive response would cease.

 

The only reason Israel refuses to adopt this sensible and inevitable approach is pure racism. 

 

Again with the usual misleading narrative.

It's not even remotely "easy".

There is no way Israel will absorb millions of Palestinians as citizens and remain Israel. I guess that's fine with you, as you're all for eradicating the country (by one name or the other).

There are no "homes" to return to. The lands have already been settled. Sucks, but that's a reality.

Trying to market such a "right of return" as doable is dishonest. Same goes for claiming the "only reason" Israel refuses to consider this is "racism".

[dexterm]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Again with the usual misleading narrative.

It's not even remotely "easy".

There is no way Israel will absorb millions of Palestinians as citizens and remain Israel. I guess that's fine with you, as you're all for eradicating the country (by one name or the other).

There are no "homes" to return to. The lands have already been settled. Sucks, but that's a reality.

Trying to market such a "right of return" as doable is dishonest. Same goes for claiming the "only reason" Israel refuses to consider this is "racism".

Complete nonsense. Some of the ethnically cleansed Palestinian villages have been built over but far from all.

 

The bottom line of course is that if 1.8 million (current Palestinian population of Gaza) turned up gradually at Ben Gurion airport with the right credentials to qualify for instant citizenship and occupied land packages they'd be welcomed with open arms.

As I said above ..the only reason Israel will not allow the OP Gazan Palestinians the right of return is pure racism.

[JimmyTheMook]

5 minutes ago, dexterm said:

Complete nonsense. Some of the ethnically cleansed Palestinian villages have been built over but far from all.

 

The bottom line of course is that if 1.8 million (current Palestinian population of Gaza) turned up gradually at Ben Gurion airport with the right credentials to qualify for instant citizenship and occupied land packages they'd be welcomed with open arms.

As I said above ..the only reason Israel will not allow the OP Gazan Palestinians the right of return is pure racism.

 

Report dexterm - his anti Semitic posts are droll at this point and it's trolling. 

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[Elfin]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So Israel is guilty for avoiding many casualties. That's really rich. Maybe they should sacrifice some more of their people to assuage the Israel demonization agenda.

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Avoiding casualties?? Oh, the most moral army and people in the world? Killing is killing and murder is murder no matter how you want to desensitize it. The Palestinians have a right to resist the occupier, oppressor and war crimes instigator. You want them to lay down and die without resisting like another people did last century?