Pro-EU Liberal Democrats win parliamentary seat from UK PM Johnson's Conservatives

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Pro-EU Liberal Democrats win parliamentary seat from UK PM Johnson's Conservatives

 

By-election votes for the district of Brecon and Radnorshire are counted at the Royal Welsh Showground, near Builth Wells in Wales, Britain August 1, 2019. REUTERS/Rebecca Naden

 

LLANELWEDD, Wales (Reuters) - Britain's pro-European Union Liberal Democrats won the parliamentary seat of Brecon and Radnorshire from the governing Conservatives on Friday, a blow to Prime Minister Boris Johnson in his first electoral test since taking office.

 

The vote was triggered when Conservative lawmaker Chris Davies was ousted by a petition of constituents after being convicted of falsifying expenses. Liberal Democrat candidate Jane Dodds won with 13,826 votes.

 

Davies ran again for the Conservatives and came second with 12,401 votes.

 

(Reporting by Rebecca Naden, Writing by Kylie MacLellan, Editing by Elizabeth Piper)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-02

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[evadgib]

As expected ????

Edited August 2, 2019 by evadgib

[Chomper Higgot]

The ‘Boris Bounce’ evaporated and the Government’ Majority has dropped to 1.

 

 

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

One down, 300 to go!

[AGareth2]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The ‘Boris Bounce’ evaporated and the Government’ Majority has dropped to 1.

 

 

over 50% for pro leave parties

[JAG]

Using/interpretation of by-election results to predict national election results is a dodgy game, but it is perhaps noting that Plaid Cymru and the Green Party did not field candidates. If one takes the votes Plaid won at the general election, and assume (quite realistically) that they went to the Lib Dems, there is her majority!

 

What is more, the Brexit Party won some 3000 votes, rather more (6 times or so) than their predecessors UKIP. Again, realistic to assume that those votes came from the Tories.

 

Feed these two points into the the analysis and perhaps a rather different picture emerges...

Edited August 2, 2019 by JAG

[stephenterry]

It was expected for 2 reasons - although I am not surprised that the Boris factor made it a close call.

 

The Tory candidate is a lying cheater and not fit for office, and the Lib Dems pro EU stance guaranteed them victory.

 

A kick up the backside for Johnson.  Maybe he should reassess what's best for Britain instead of playing party politics to gender support for the Tories at the expense of Farage. 

 

Bottom line - the Tory government Brexit will be decimated at the next GE providing Labour kick out Corbyn and stick with a peoples vote on whatever deal it manages to obtain.   Better still, kick out Brexit and the ERG right wing element.

[Bluespunk]

Tick, tick, tick...

[vogie]

Big mistake for the Brexit party to field a candidate, without, the Tories would have romped home by a great majority.

Two big saving graces for the Labour party though. 1. They just beat the Loony Party and 2. They just managed to save their deposit.

Always a pleasure to watch a smug lib/dem giving their victory speech though.

Edited August 2, 2019 by vogie

[mfd101]

The wonders of first-past-the-post voting.

[stephenterry]

3 minutes ago, JAG said:

Using/interpretation of by-election results to predict national election results is a dodgy game, but it is perhaps noting that Plaid Cymru and the Green Party did not field candidates. If one takes the votes Plaid won at the general election, and assume (quite realistically) that they went to the Lib Dems, there is her majority!

 

What is more, the Brexit Party won some 3000 votes, rather more (6 times or so) than their predecessors UKIP. Again, realistic to assume that those votes came from the Tories.

 

Feed these two points into the the analysis and perhaps a rather different picture emerges...

But hey, remember it's first past the post as all the leavers would cry. That's democracy.

[ThaiPauly]

I read this morning that another Tory MP is seriously considering switching to Lib/Dems

[JonnyF]

Splitting the Leave vote between Tories and the Brexit party will not end well for either of them.

 

Funny how the main policy of the Liberal Democrats is to reverse the outcome of a democratic vote. A name change might be in order.

[Chomper Higgot]

Habitual liar with a majority of 1 promises to take the UK out of the EU regardless of consequences to the economy and jobs - 'a price worth paying'.

 

 

[stephenterry]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Big mistake for the Brexit party to field a candidate, without the Tories would have romped home by a great majority.

Two big saving graces for the Labour party though. 1. They just beat the Loony Party and 2. They just managed to save their deposit.

Always a pleasure to watch a smug lib/dem giving their victory speech though.

Speculation, dear boy. A result is a result as all leavers would say -it was a democratic victory for a pro EU party. 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, JAG said:

Using/interpretation of by-election results to predict national election results is a dodgy game, but it is perhaps noting that Plaid Cymru and the Green Party did not field candidates. If one takes the votes Plaid won at the general election, and assume (quite realistically) that they went to the Lib Dems, there is her majority!

 

What is more, the Brexit Party won some 3000 votes, rather more (6 times or so) than their predecessors UKIP. Again, realistic to assume that those votes came from the Tories.

 

Feed these two points into the the analysis and perhaps a rather different picture emerges...

If you are going to imagine nonsense scenarios, can the rest of us postulate on what Brexiteers would have been posting had this been a win for the Tories or the Brexit Party. 

 

Nah.... let's not go there. 

 

There's enough  head burying going on as it is. 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Speculation, dear boy. A result is a result as all leavers would say -it was a democratic victory for a pro EU party. 

True.

 

I accept the result as I am a democrat. Do you accept the result of the referendum?

[zorrow424]

Labour  just 5% of vote   lollollol tick tick tick   TOCK......no hope lib dems GE      Pity Brexit contested it, Boris would have romped home,  but he will be happy enough  was expected

[JAG]

6 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

But hey, remember it's first past the post as all the leavers would cry. That's democracy.

Yes it is. 

I'm just suggesting that in a general election the result might be rather different.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

True.

 

I accept the result as I am a democrat. Do you accept the result of the referendum?

Absolutely, then democratically campaign against it. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

Labour  just 5% of vote   lollollol tick tick tick   TOCK......no hope lib dems GE      Pity Brexit contested it, Boris would have romped home,  but he will be happy enough  was expected

Right now Labour is not the issue. 

 

At issue is the ability of the PM to maintain control of Parliament, it just got a lot harder for him to do so. 

[evadgib]

5 minutes ago, ThaiPauly said:

I read this morning that another Tory MP is seriously considering switching to Lib/Dems

If it's Dom-the-Weasel they're welcome ????

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Absolutely, then democratically campaign against it. 

After it's been implemented.

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Absolutely, then democratically campaign against it. 

You mean keep voting until you get the result you want.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

If it's Dom-the-Weasel they're welcome ????

And gladly welcomed. 

 

He's had the honesty to make his views known and is willing to put the good of the nation above his own political career. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

You mean keep voting until you get the result you want.

Erm no. 

 

Having a vote when people are better informed of the consequences will do. 

 

If you believe Brexit the will of the people you can hardly object. 

[geoffbezoz]

Another nail in Boris's credibility coffin.

[evadgib]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you are going to imagine nonsense scenarios, can the rest of us postulate on what Brexiteers would have been posting had this been a win for the Tories or the Brexit Party. 

 

Nah.... let's not go there. 

 

There's enough  head burying going on as it is. 

Their surprize?

[zorrow424]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Right now Labour is not the issue. 

 

At issue is the ability of the PM to maintain control of Parliament, it just got a lot harder for him to do so. 

Not a question now of controlling parliament,the decision is set,decision made....once out Boris will be the UKs darling

[JAG]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

f you are going to imagine nonsense scenarios,

Not a nonsense scenario at all, but maybe one which you don't like!

There is a difference.

 

I don't like quite a lot of the views which you so  enthusiastically put forward, but I don't regard them as nonsense.

 

I don't get confused by them either!