Meeting with immigration about TM30 and the latest news about the petition

[ThaiLawOnline]

Yesterday, I met the officer Longtor at Korat immigration. He was very nice, very polite and we had a conversation in Thai. I had with me a copy of the petition made by a group of expats and Thai people, a translation, some examples of problems related to TM30, statistics and an interpreter in case I could not fully understand. The interpreter is also a witness of everything that was said.

 

I live in Thailand since 2004. I have permanent residency and do not need to make Form TM30, form TM47 or a yearly extension. If I helped this group of expats with the petition, it is because I feel the current system needs to improve. It was recently reported that Australians and British are coming less to Thailand because of the high value of the baht. It was reported that Scandinavian are also about 10% less living in the land of smiles as before. The current systems seems a mess and foreigners don't know what to do. I don’t do this for exposure and spent an incredible amount of time on this project. I manage a law firm in Thailand, and know how things work in Thailand. Often you need a connections, you avoid to lose face, and I work on difficult cases each month. I was pretty well placed to try something new with a group of people on Facebook. A closed group. I work with Thai lawyers every day even if visas are not our specialty. We are more litigators and make contracts and documents in Thai and English.

 

Recently, I was told that foreign teachers traveling in other provinces on weekends had to report to immigration Monday morning so even Thai students were penalised by the strict enforcements of sections 37 and 38 of the immigration act. Like the Bangkok Post mentioned this week, Thailand is shooting and his foot and the expats are furious about these rules that we found draconian.

 

It is Thai tradition to discuss, negotiate and not to confront people in Thai culture. The petition is a way to show discomfort and open a dialogue with authorities. It is not a perfect document, some complains about the English (I am a French native speaker -the first version was edited) some complained about it was not going far enough (talking about help insurance or amounts required but we can not mix everything) some complained about the SSL security of the website (added). In other words, many pissed me off all week as I was doing was trying to help others, knowing what I was doing. I am not perfect (nobody is) but nobody had the guts to do it and many feared to sign the petition like they would be deported. I personally helped to change some laws in Canada, i am not afraid to expose my what I think. I sued twice immigration (never for fun) in administrative court with success and I felt that our voice needed to be listened. So with the help of hundreds of people, we made this petition. Yes, hundreds of people help to correct, make this websites, commented on the website, translated in Thai ad much more. I couldn’t see what else could be done? You want to contest articles 37 and 38 of immigration act based on clause 34 of the constitution? Well, good luck. Talking directly to Bangkok immigration is the next step....but things in Thailand move slowly. Mediators, arbitrators, negotiations is often use in court and starting by talking to local immigration, on the back of few thousands signatures, was the best idea we had.

 

It became quickly the talk of the town in English medias: Richard Barrow, frontpage of Bangkok Post, illustration of Stephff, The Thaiger, the Thai Examiner, Pattaya News, etc. I was amazed it went so quick but I was expecting more signatures. The website is still there, "Reform-Thai-immigration" (com) and we hope you sign, share and things go faster.

 

Here’s a summary of the conversation of yesterday with immigration:

 

We were told that tourists are not affected by these rules. They want the same as before. But AirBNB must report foreign guests just like hotels.

Immigration understand that expats brings a lot of money to Thailand. But they seem to see two problems:

 

A) there is a large proportion of workers from Cambodia, Laos and Burma. Something like 3 million in the country. And often, they do not respect the rules and regulations. That is a major problem for immigration. Rules are enforced for them but as there is only one law, it affects foreigners from western countries.

 

B) it seems that Indians people abused some rules, arrived for example in Phuket, got fake marriages with Thai ladies, and disappeared in other provinces. TM 30 started to be enforced especially for them, to be able to trace where criminals or people abusing the system are. I do understand terrorists won’t provide their addresses and I pointed this out. Still, immigration seems to be strict on TM30 and TM30, once registered, is the responsibility of the Thai landlord.

Each immigration office can have its own rules, which I think is a headache and a non sense. But this high officer explained us how he wants them apply in Korat. If you are not a tourist and arrive from abroad, even if articles 37 and 38 talk about 24 hours, they will give you 7 days to register the TM30. Foreigners have to register TM30 only ONCE (and not tourists) and after, it is the duty of the Thai landlord. If you leave in Thailand for a while and never registered TM30, you will be fine as a foreigner. I believe it is between 800 to 2,000 baht.

 

Once you are register in the system, it is the Thai landlord, and NOT the foreigner Thai landlord (or hotel) that will pay the fines. I STRONGLY suggest the Thai landlords to ask a RECEIPT for ANY FINE and it is the duty if immigration to provide these receipt. We all know about corruption and we should all fight it, slowly, to make this place better.

 

Now if you look at clause 37 (4) of immigration act, a foreigner that goes to another province for 24 hours must report to authorities. This was never been enforced to my knowledge and in Nakhon Ratchasima, they don’t care about that. They care about TM6 that you made at your entrance in Thailand (airport), the registration of TM30 that you make once, the 90 days notice (TM47) that you make if you live 90 days in Kingdom and your yearly extension.

 

Two great news:

 

1) There is a committee to modify the immigration law already in place. But changing laws take time. The head of immigration in Korat is part of that committee and they know some changes must be made. They want to make it easier for foreigners. I even talk about the high value of the baht and they know it makes problems for some retirees.

 

2) But the best news is a document, an order signed on 5th August 2019 that I saw. They refuse that I make a copy as it is an internal document. It is an order from Bangkok to make an application online for all forms, to simplify things. That means TM6, TM30, TM47, will all be online, accessible on your phone and you won’t have to go to immigration. You will only have to go once a year to immigration for your extension. The 5th of August is the same day that the Bangkok Post made a frontpage with « Furore over TM30 forms ». Sincerely, I think they did listen to us and the petition helped. It is a coincidence?

 

Other comments were said but again, it can be different depending on the immigration office you live. In Korat, they told us that if we go to Pattaya a weekend, we don’t have to report. This is clearly against the articles 37 and 38, but I think immigration understand that they do not want to hurt tourism. But if you do abroad, yes, your landlord must report tm30 at your return.

 

If you go sleeping at your friends house, outside the province, this officer told us not to bother with reporting and paperwork....that is also against the rules, but if you think about it, who could know if you sleep in your friend’s house. This is different than hotels and hotels, or landlords, are the ones that must report you. Again, 37(4) is not enforced according to immigration.

Let’s hope this online application works well and come quickly. On that, we have no warranty.

 

The current system is confused. There are too many forms, too many rules and I clearly told them. Immigration could explain the rules on their websites and apply them the same way in each office. That would be a great improvement.

I would like to notice that in the last 10 days, some individuals have tried to block our initiative. Some make money by helping others having visas and they have interest to keep rules complicated and unclear. That is a shame. If you want to develop tourism, investment and economy, make things clear.

 

We were told also that because there is a new government, new cabinet, things are slower.

 

On 15th August, the FCC is planning a panel on TM30 and immigration rules. Foreign journalist will be invited and the subject might hit the news again. We were told that if the FCC wants an immigration officer there, they need to write a letter to immigration. I should be there if this panel is still happening.

 

No name of anybody who helped, signed, or contributed was named. You can share this post, copy it and provide the information to whoever you want. If you think something is wrong in the following text, let me know. Thanks.

[DrTuner]

I think I mentioned before westeners are just collateral damage. AirBnB, Burmese and Indians. Thank them.

[Mavideol]

maybe could pinch in about their request to have 800K blocked at the bank, many of us are property owners, why not use the property as the collateral and allow us to use the cash for daily living expenses,

[d2b2]

Your efforts are appreciated ????

[Tropposurfer]

Good on you ????????

I’ve posted that the rhetoric about white euro falangs being hated was not true.

i also said, as you’ve reported the rules are attempts to secure the borders and no to drive Europeans out.

[RBOP]

Very much appreciated. Did you happen to mention the online TM30 reporting is faulty and some waiting 9 weeks and still no password?  I registered more than 2 weeks ago and still waiting too. Showed my email verification receipt  that I registered but still got fined last week when extending my stay (at Chaengwattana).  

[paulbrow]

I for one appreciate your efforts and thank you!

[paulbrow]

Just now, RBOP said:

Very much appreciated. Did you happen to mention the online TM30 reporting is faulty and some waiting 9 weeks and still no password?  I registered more than 2 weeks ago and still waiting too. Showed my email verification receipt  that I registered but still got fined last week when extending my stay (at Chaengwattana).  

I currently stand at 49 days and still waiting. I want to obey the law but it is difficult.

[Xaos]

The dumbest part of it for me as a person with an year extension is that u have to report 24h in advance to immigration if u going to other province. Like I want travel for leisure Samui Krabi Phuket or whatever and have to report this. If Im correct. 

Edited August 8, 2019 by Xaos

[smedly]

one of the other issues is the need to show balances after you have completed a 12 month extension of stay, 3 months of 800kbaht and a continuous balance of 400kbaht

 

It was said this was introduced to stop the use of agents getting 12 month extensions for those who could not meet the financial requirements - it seems to have had the opposite effect and was a pointless rules change that now ties up money 800kbaht for almost 6 months   - this is money that would normally be used for living expenses - having it tied up for 3 months was acceptable but this extra strain post 12 extension is pointless.

 

I personally don't have issue with maintaining a minimum 400k baht 12 months a year as I was doing that anyway and it is always handy to have a slush fund for emergencies

But the 5 months now of 800k baht is just over the top and there is no rational reason for it since the reason for its introduction has not made any difference to the use of agents and backhanders to bypass the financial rules - a simple bankbook check looking back 12 months on next renewal would have provided the same information - you didn't have the funds

[ThaiBunny]

1 hour ago, Isaanlawyers said:

I even talk about the high value of the baht and they know it makes problems for some retirees.

I look forward to the Immigration Department taking steps to lower the value of the baht

[BestB]

As I said in first orginal thread, well done and thank you for doing something 

 

you / we did not expect for law to be changed on the spot but I personally saw this as a way to open dialogue and for immigration to pay some attention and it appears it has worked.

 

well done once again and let’s hope things start to change in positive direction 

[CRUNCHER]

Thank you for your effort.

 

As a landlord I do a TM 30 when a tenant moves in.  After that the tenant is under no obligation to keep me informed as to his movements. How do I know if he leaves Thailand and returns?

 

Even if he does what happens in I am not in Thailand myself? I might well be traveling with limited internet access. How can a landlord reasonably be responsible after the tenant moves in?

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, Isaanlawyers said:

2) But the best news is a document, an order signed on 5th August 2019 that I saw. They refuse that I make a copy as it is an internal document. It is an order from Bangkok to make an application online for all forms, to simplify things. That means TM6, TM30, TM47, will all be online, accessible on your phone and you won’t have to go to immigration. You will only have to go once a year to immigration for your extension. The 5th of August is the same day that the Bangkok Post made a frontpage with « Furore over TM30 forms ». Sincerely, I think they did listen to us and the petition helped. It is a coincidence?

 

These applications have been available for at least six weeks.

 

The eTM6 app is of questionable usefulness?  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.etm6

 

The TM30 app does require registration and approval, which can take up to six + weeks. It offers similar capapbilities as the online (hotel) system. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.section38

 

The TM47 app seems pretty solid, but has similar limitations (new passport, int'l re-rentry) to the long-available online system. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.immeService

 

 

The apps are OK, but still need a lot of work, IMO.

[Rimmer]

A nit picking  /grammar post and two replies have been removed

[keith101]

38 minutes ago, Xaos said:

The dumbest part of it for me as a person with an year extension is that u have to report 24h in advance to immigration if u going to other province. Like I want travel for leisure Samui Krabi Phuket or whatever and have to report this. If Im correct. 

I am going to Pattaya next month and asked my local office if I had to report to immigration there and was told no as the hotel has to do that .

[Date Masamune]

8 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

These applications have been available for at least six weeks.

 

The eTM6 app is of questionable usefulness?  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.etm6

 

The TM30 app does require registration and approval, which can take up to six + weeks. It offers similar capapbilities as the online (hotel) system. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.section38

 

The TM47 app seems pretty solid, but has similar limitations (new passport, int'l re-rentry) to the long-available online system. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.immeService

 

 

The apps are OK, but still need a lot of work, IMO.

Unbelievable. 3 teenagers at a coffee shop could code an address reporting app in an afternoon, in MULTIPLE languages. 

Edited August 8, 2019 by Date Masamune

[bignbad]

Thank you for your efforts

[DrTuner]

1 minute ago, keith101 said:

I am going to Pattaya next month and asked my local office if I had to report to immigration there and was told no as the hotel has to do that .

Yeah that's the TM30. There are other clauses in immigration act that require the alien himself to report to local police with TM28 form. Currently not enforced and some classes of entry like tourists are exempt. There's debate in the other thread if non-imm O's are legally exempt or not.

 

Wouldn't be surprised if they start enforcing this too in the future. Thank the usual suspects.

[worgeordie]

I think if you want to change anything to do with Immigration,

you really need to see the "Big Boss", in Bangkok,but i expect

he will be too busy, all these other immigration officers are

just following orders,and do not want to rock the boat by

putting forward any suggestions to change things. but good luck.

regards worgeordie

[FarFlungFalang]

24 minutes ago, lkv said:

Of course they don't want to hurt tourism, but since TM30 has nothing to do with tourism, they aren't.

TM30 is applicable to all foreigners.

[ThaiLawOnline]

31 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

"Also known as proofing" apparently - http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/proof-reading.html

 

I can't edit the original text but here it is edited with better English:

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Yesterday, I met officer Longtor at Korat Immigration. He was very nice, very polite and we had a conversation in Thai. I had with me a copy of the petition made by a group of expats and Thai people, a translation, some examples of problems related to TM30, statistics and an interpreter in case I could not fully understand. The interpreter is also a witness of everything that was said.

 

I live in Thailand since 2004. I have permanent residency and do not need to make Form TM30, form TM47 or a yearly extension. If I helped this group of expats with the petition, it is because I feel the current system needs to improve. It was recently reported that numbers of Australians and British coming to Thailand are falling, because of the high value of the baht. It was reported that there has been a 10% fall in the number of Scandinavians living in the land of smiles. The current system seems a mess, and foreigners don't know what to do. I don’t do this for exposure, and spent an incredible amount of time on this project. I manage a law firm in Thailand, and know how things work in Thailand. Often you need connections, it is important to avoid losing face, and I work on difficult cases each month. I was pretty well placed to try something new via a Facebook group. A closed group. I work with Thai lawyers every day, even if visas are not our specialty. We are more litigators, making contracts and documents in Thai and English.

 

Recently, I was told that foreign teachers travelling to other provinces on weekends had to report to immigration Monday morning, so even Thai students were penalised by the strict enforcements of sections 37 and 38 of the immigration act. Like the Bangkok Post mentioned this week, Thailand is shooting itself in the foot, and expats are furious about these rules that some found draconian.

 

It is Thai tradition to discuss, negotiate and not to confront people in Thai culture. The petition is a way to show discomfort and open a dialogue with authorities. It is not a perfect document, some complained about the English (I am a French native speaker -the first version was edited) some complained about it not going far enough (debate about health insurance, or bank deposits required, but we cannot mix everything), some complained about the SSL security of the website (added). In other words, many pissed me off all week as all I was doing was trying to help others, and I know what I am doing. I am not perfect (nobody is) but nobody else had the guts to do it, and many feared to sign the petition, thinking they might be deported. In the past, I personally helped change some laws in Canada, so I am not afraid to say what I think. Here I sued immigration twice (never for fun) in the administrative court with success. I felt that our voice needed to be heard. So with the help of hundreds of people, we made this petition. Yes, hundreds of people helped to correct texts, set up the websites, commented on the website, translated into Thai, and much more. I couldn’t see what else could be done? You want to contest articles 37 and 38 of immigration act based on clause 34 of the constitution? Well, good luck. Talking directly to Bangkok immigration is the next step.... but things in Thailand move slowly. Mediators, arbitrators, negotiations are often used in court. Starting by talking to local immigration, on the back of few thousand signatures, was the best idea we had.

 

It became quickly the talk of the town in English medias: Richard Barrow, the front page of Bangkok Post, cartoons by Stephff, The Thaiger, the Thai Examiner, Pattaya News, etc. I was amazed it went so quickly, but I was expecting more signatures. The website is still there, "Reform-Thai-immigration" (com) and we hope you sign and share so things go faster.

 

Here’s a summary of yesterday’s conversation with immigration:

 

We were told that tourists are not affected by these rules. They want the same as before. But AirBNB must report foreign guests just like hotels.
Immigration understand that expats brings a lot of money to Thailand. But they seem to see two problems:

 

i) A large proportion of foreign workers are from Cambodia, Laos and Burma. Something like 3 million in the country. Often, they do not respect rules and regulations. That is a major problem for immigration. Rules are enforced largely for them but as there is only one law, it affects foreigners from Western countries.

 

ii) it seems that some Indian visitors have abused rules, arriving for example in Phuket, arranging fake marriages with Thai ladies, then disappearing in other provinces. TM 30 started to be more rigorously enforced especially for them, to be able to trace criminals or people abusing the system. Of course terrorists won’t provide their addresses, and I pointed this out. Still, immigration want to be strict on TM30 and TM30, and once registered, it is the responsibility of the Thai landlord to conform.

 

However each immigration office can apply its own rules, which I think is a headache and doesn’t make sense. But this senior officer explained to us how he wants them to apply in Korat. If you are not a tourist and arrive from abroad, even if articles 37 and 38 mention 24 hours, they will give you 7 days to register the TM30. Foreigners have to register TM30 only ONCE (and not tourists) and afterwards, it is the responsibility of the Thai landlord. If you leave Thailand for a while and never registered TM30, you will be fined as a foreigner. I believe it is between 800 to 2,000 baht.

 

Once you are registered in the system, it is the Thai landlord, and NOT the foreigner - the Thai landlord (or hotel) that will pay the fines. I STRONGLY suggest that Thai landlords ask a RECEIPT for ANY FINE and it is the duty of immigration to provide these receipts. We all know about corruption, and we should all fight it, slowly, to make this place better.

 

Now, if you look at clause 37 (4) of the immigration act, a foreigner that goes to another province for 24 hours must report to authorities. This was never previously enforced to my knowledge and in Nakhon Ratchasima, they don’t care about it. They care about TM6, that you made on your arrival in Thailand (airport), the registration of TM30 that you make one time, the 90 days notice (TM47) that you make if you live 90 days in Kingdom, and your yearly extension

 

Each immigration office can have its own rules, which I think is a headache and a non sense. But this high officer explained us how he wants them apply in Korat. If you are not a tourist and arrive from abroad, even if articles 37 and 38 talk about 24 hours, they will give you 7 days to register the TM30. Foreigners have to register TM30 only ONCE (and not tourists) and after, it is the duty of the Thai landlord. If you leave in Thailand for a while and never registered TM30, you will be fine as a foreigner. I believe it is between 800 to 2,000 baht.

 

Two great pieces of news:

 

1) There is a committee set up, looking to modify the immigration law already in place. But changing laws take time. The head of immigration in Korat is part of that committee and they know some changes must be made. They want to make it easier for foreigners. I even talked about the high value of the baht, and they know it causes problems for some retirees.

 

2) But the best news is a document, an order signed on 5th August 2019, that I saw. They did not permit me to make a copy as it is an internal document. However summing up, it is an order from Bangkok to make an application online for all forms, to simplify things. That means TM6, TM30, TM47, will all be online, accessible on your phone, and you won’t have to go to immigration. You will only have to go once a year to immigration for your extension. The 5th of August is the same day that the Bangkok Post mentioned our petition on the front page with the title « Furore over TM30 forms ». Quite sincerely, I think the authorities did listen to us, and the petition helped. It is a coincidence?

 

Other comments were made but again, it can be different depending on the immigration office where you live. In Korat, they told us that if we go to Pattaya on a weekend, we don’t have to report. This is clearly against the articles 37 and 38, but I think immigration understand that they do not want to hurt tourism. But if you do go abroad, yes, your landlord must report via the TM30 on your return.

Other comments were said but again, it can be different depending on the immigration office you live. In Korat, they told us that if we go to Pattaya a weekend, we don’t have to report. This is clearly against the articles 37 and 38, but I think immigration understand that they do not want to hurt tourism. But if you do abroad, yes, your landlord must report tm30 at your return.

 

If you go and sleep at a friend’s house, outside the province, this officer told us not to bother with reporting and paperwork.... that is also against the rules, but if you think about it, who could know if you slept over at your friend’s house. This is different situation from hotels and hotels, or from landlords, who still must report your stay. Again, 37(4) is not enforced according to immigration guidelines.
Let’s hope this online application works well, and will happen quickly. On that, we have no guarantees.

 

The current system is confused. There are too many forms, too many rules and I clearly told them our views. Immigration could explain the rules on their websites and apply them the same way in each office nationally. That would be a great improvement.

 

I would like to note that in the last 10 days, some individuals have tried to block our initiative. Some foreigners make money by helping others having to obtain visas, and it is in their interest to keep rules complicated and unclear. That is a shame. If you want to develop tourism, investment and economy, the rules should be clear and uniformly enforced.

We were told also that because there is a new government, a new cabinet, things are slower.

 

On 15th August, the FCC (Foreign Correspondents Club) is planning a panel on TM30 and immigration rules. Foreign journalists will be invited, and the subject might hit the news again. We were told that if the FCC wants an immigration officer present, they need to write a letter to immigration. I should be there if this event takes place.

 

No names of anybody who helped, signed, or contributed were made public. You can share this post, copy it and provide the information to whoever you want. If you think something is wrong in the following text, let me know. Thanks.

(English edited)

 

 

[hagai]

 

I am having problems understanding the following sentence:

"Foreigners have to register TM30 only ONCE (and not tourists) and after, it is the duty of the Thai landlord."

Does this really mean that I, as a foreigner, have to pay the fine and after 12 years on a visa extension are refused further extensions, just because the Landlord does or can not deliver the required documents?

Does not make any sense.

 

Regards

[jackdd]

2 hours ago, Isaanlawyers said:

Recently, I was told that foreign teachers traveling in other provinces on weekends had to report to immigration Monday morning so even Thai students were penalised by the strict enforcements of sections 37 and 38 of the immigration act.

Afaik we didn't have one report of a person being fined under section 37, this is just not enforced. Why you write "strict enforcement"? Only section 38 is enforced partially, so i also wouldn't call this "strict".

A foreigner staying in Thailand for work is exempt from 37 (4) anyway.

 

2 hours ago, Isaanlawyers said:

Let’s hope this online application works well and come quickly. On that, we have no warranty.

It's possible to do the TM30 online since quite a few years, you might consider doing some research before talking a lot.

[RBOP]

Looks like you caught him off guard and just further shows the inconstancy between the immigration offices.  

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, Xaos said:

The dumbest part of it for me as a person with an year extension is that u have to report 24h in advance to immigration if u going to other province. Like I want travel for leisure Samui Krabi Phuket or whatever and have to report this. If Im correct. 

There is no requirement to report before going somewhere. (you may find a poorly translation immigration document that says so but its wrong) And when you get there the hotel will report you. The main thing you will need to concern yourself with is reporting when you get back home if your local office enforces tm30 for 90day, extensions etc.

[pookiki]

I applaud your efforts.  However, I think Thai Immigration Official must clearly recognize that there are different categories addressed in your conversation.

 

One example is visitors arriving in Phuket, marrying a Thai, and then disappearing. I fail to see how these kind of nefarious individuals fit it with long-term expats.  These people are simply ignoring the law and are overstayers.

 

Second example - migrant workers. I seriously doubt the Thai Immigration is maintaining a TM30 database for migrant workers in the same way as for other long-term expats or persons who are on work permits who aren't migrant workers.  The vast majority of properly documented migrant workers use agents for most, if not all, of their interactions with Thai Immigration.  For this group of people, the TM30 is simply not an issue.

 

Third example - leaving the country for long-term expats and foreigners on work permits who aren't migrant workers. If the information on the TM6 and on the subsequent TM47 was the same as previously reported, then there should be no need to file another TM30.  The TM30 should only be required if there is a permanent change in address.

 

Fourth example - internal travel within Thailand.  If a Thai hotel reports a TM30 for a long-term expat or a foreigner on a work permit, it should be disregarded in its entirety as it does not note a permanent change in address.

 

There is a difference between 'good guys' and 'bad guys' and its really quite easy to differentiate!

Edited August 8, 2019 by pookiki
grammar

[ThaiLawOnline]

And Todd Daniels just informed me that there will ne another meeting tonight....

[dcnx]

Ask 10 Somchais working at immigration and get 10 different answers.

 

It was also recently said (in a story here) that the TM30 won’t be changed despite the hardships it’s causing.

 

You can’t trust anything that comes out of their mouth. Nothing. ACTIONS matter, not their hot air.

[Thailand]

1 hour ago, CRUNCHER said:

Thank you for your effort.

 

As a landlord I do a TM 30 when a tenant moves in.  After that the tenant is under no obligation to keep me informed as to his movements. How do I know if he leaves Thailand and returns?

 

Even if he does what happens in I am not in Thailand myself? I might well be traveling with limited internet access. How can a landlord reasonably be responsible after the tenant moves in?

I have done the same in Chiang mai and they told me that the "signee" on the contract is responsible for themselves,family and guests in respect of subsequent TM30 reports. And that is what they do.