'Collaborators' are undermining Britain's Brexit bet, PM says

[Baerboxer]

15 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Well said.  

 

The PM, elected by a pitiful few Tory party members, is having his strings pulled by his non elected bureaucrat advisers. And he has the balls to prattle on about democracy.

 

Another Eton Mess!

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I've said many times, Jeremy Corbyn is a good back bencher and his performance in the last election was the most significant factor in neutering this Tory government. 

 

But I have also been very clear in my criticism of his performance as leader of Labour in the house, he's been unable to defeat the weakest Tory government in living memory - graphically  stated as grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

I don't agree with most criticisms of Corbyn, but I do agree he's not bright enough for the task. 

 

Had Labour been headed by a more middle of the road leader with real political skills Brexit would have been dead in the water a long time back. 

 

My personal biggest criticism of Corbyn is as a life long socialist he has no business backing this rightwing coup called Brexit.

 

Disagree its a right wing coup? Take a look at the Johnson and his Cabinet.  

 

 

 

 

 

Corbyn is a supporter and friend of known terrorists and terrorist groups. He openly supported an illegal group carrying out terrorist acts, including indiscriminate murder to further their agendas. 

 

He is a lifelong EU hater. 

 

He refuses to recognize his own countries national anthem or respect it's military veterans and those who made the ultimate sacrifice in two world wars (wars which incidentally allow your country its freedoms of today). 

 

He is anti semetic and has interfered in where he shouldn't have in his own party's investigations into anti semetism in the party.

 

Which criticism of him is it exactly that you disagree with?

[Slip]

14 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

The mandate for Brexit does not come from parliament, it comes from the people.

 

 

Parliaments job is to execute that mandate.

No mandate there.  If Brexiteers really believed that they would welcome a new vote.

[Slip]

14 hours ago, kingdong said:

cameron made it clear before the referendum his government would honour the result,he then went on to spend nearly 10 million ponds of taxpayers money on a project fear leaflet delivered to every house hold in the uk,[don,t recollect the leave party recieving state funding to put their point of view over} so wheres the "electoral fraud"?

How typically Tory.  I have fond hopes that this will be the end of them.

[elliss]

16 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

In a way I am surprised that they don't have huge demonstrations every day, or at least every weekend, in the UK.

It must be a horrible situation when you see that your so called elected leaders tear the country apart.

            

          UK people do not have the balls to rebel. against the establishment .

 

      

 

Edited August 15, 2019 by elliss

[ThomasThBKK]

????

[beautifulthailand99]

Even Johnson's brain implant Cumming's ran businesses in Russia - funny that ....

 

Unlike these professional politicians, Cummings had what he calls “proper jobs” between leaving Oxford and joining the anti-euro campaign in 1998. “I’m not claiming I was good at anything,” he says, “but working in nightclubs and starting businesses in Russia counts as ‘the real world’.” According to reports, the nightclub belonged to his uncle Phil; and the Russian business was an airline that folded after its first flight left without a single passenger.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/15/dominic-cummings-blog-political-values

[Slip]

29 minutes ago, elliss said:

            

          UK people do not have the balls to rebel. against the establishment .

 

      

 

Ellis, behave yourself faw fs.  The Brits are good at being anti-establishment.  They just don't realise who the establishment is these because they have been duped by the right.

 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Slip

[beautifulthailand99]

Edited August 15, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[beautifulthailand99]

 

[kingdong]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He resigned from Blair’s Cabinet to join Corbyn on the back benches.

 

Away with your false comparison.

 

Or did mention of Cook’s resignation just type itself?!

he could have resigned to join the vienna boys choir,all i said was  HE RESIGNED,look we,re  leaving 31st oct,then we can start putting the GREAT back into britain.

 

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, Slip said:

How typically Tory.  I have fond hopes that this will be the end of them.

carefull what you wish for,you might see a swing to the extreme right

[Jip99]

9 hours ago, Slip said:

No mandate there.  If Brexiteers really believed that they would welcome a new vote.

 

 

You really don't understand democracy do you ?   (rhetorical)

 

 

Why would we welcome another vote when we already won the first ?

 

You logic is obtuse.

[kingdong]

8 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

????

didn,t gordon brown get in through the back passage,sorry door?

[Slip]

16 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

You really don't understand democracy do you ?   (rhetorical)

 

 

Why would we welcome another vote when we already won the first ?

 

You logic is obtuse.

It makes me laugh to hear Brexiteers banging on about understanding democracy.  Your rhetoric is simply that.  You wouldn't welcome it because in your heart you fear you would lose.  You know that.  I know that.  We all know that whatever rhetoric you spout.

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, Slip said:

It makes me laugh to hear Brexiteers banging on about understanding democracy.  Your rhetoric is simply that.  You wouldn't welcome it because in your heart you fear you would lose.  You know that.  I know that.  We all know that whatever rhetoric you spout.

 

 

Rhetoric spouting is all in your domain.

 

We are saying nothing, the vote to leave was won, we are leaving.

 

 

 

But hang on to your thread of forlorn hope by all means.

Edited August 16, 2019 by Jip99

[vogie]

13 minutes ago, Slip said:

It makes me laugh to hear Brexiteers banging on about understanding democracy.  Your rhetoric is simply that.  You wouldn't welcome it because in your heart you fear you would lose.  You know that.  I know that.  We all know that whatever rhetoric you spout.

Saying we would lose another rerendum has been mentioned 49 times on here, it is time it was put to bed. Only the losers want another referendum, even parliament doesn't want another referendum.

[stephenterry]

21 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/29/third-vote-on-may-deal-exposes-splits-among-tory-brexiters

 

 

 

Yes, I stand corrected, JF. However, both Johnson and Raab who voted for the deal, soon backtracked to support a no-deal if it comes to that on 31st October. Whether Rees-Mogg would support them, we'll have to wait and see.

 

But the lesson to learn from this is who could trust this bunch of self-interest Tory MPs to follow through with any promises they make?  Without sacrificing the UK in the process, that is?

 

 

[transam]

40 minutes ago, Slip said:

It makes me laugh to hear Brexiteers banging on about understanding democracy.  Your rhetoric is simply that.  You wouldn't welcome it because in your heart you fear you would lose.  You know that.  I know that.  We all know that whatever rhetoric you spout.

Yawn.......How on earth can you use the word "democracy" when your post is clearly against it...

I suppose in your view the World Cup should go to a best of three....

[stephenterry]

21 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Indeed, I don't think any Brexiteers expect the same deal after we left. It's simply a strawman argument that Remainers put forward to justify their 'unicorn' analogy. Same as they claim it was all about immigration, more nonsense.

 

Every Brexiteer I know accepts there will be short term disruption and dealing with the EU will be more difficult. However, the benefits of leaving far outweigh the disadvantages. 

 

They attack the straw man because they cannot refute our real reasons for wanting to leave. Quite sad really.

 

 

It is very clear from the UK government's own reports that there would be long-term damage to the UK economy, businesses and jobs, and at least months of continuous disruption following Brexit that would adversely affect most households. To assume otherwise is just not the reality.

 

I can only think of one long-term benefit - unfortunately hoped-for trade deals would take several years to implement. And if it not realised, any prospective produce deals with the USA are fraught with endangering UK health statistics even further than present, owing to the fact that the 'US diet' and health stats are among the world's worst. The EU and UK are 'nutritionally' light years ahead of the USA in this respect, ensuring the banning of many toxic animal chemicals, hormone, and plant pesticides that are permitted for use in the USA. 

 

You have been warned.

 

 

 

 

[Greenside]

On 8/15/2019 at 5:47 AM, Samui Bodoh said:

"...'Collaborators' are undermining Britain's Brexit bet, PM says..."

 

"Collaborators"? Really? Why not label your opponents 'Traitorous Back-Stabbers'? Or 'Enemies of the State'? Or go on about how they have 'Betrayed the People'? Or worse (history can provide some of the more vile and odious phraseology)?

 

Hey UK! Do you realize that after you are done ripping yourselves apart, you will need to mend the differences and work as a team again? Especially when you have driven away your largest markets and many of your friends, partners, allies and acquaintances?

 

I have said it before and will say it again...

 

Never before have I seen a country so utterly determined to shoot itself in the crotch

 

 

 

...and when this kind of language* fails to motivate the Brexit camp, expect "foreigners" to find its way into the rhetoric. ????

 

*I'm referring to Boris' tantrum, by the way.  Samui's post says what I believe most are now feeling.

Edited August 16, 2019 by Greenside

[stephenterry]

21 hours ago, grumpy 4680 said:

    Deal or no deal is not the issue, but leaving is.

And then what? Any ideas, moving forward? I am reminded of Alf Garnett who would be quite capable of ridiculing anything and everything from his armchair, but that's as far as it goes.

 

IMO, 'Leaving' as an issue, should have an end result that would benefit the UK. From posters remarks on this forum, the 'benefit' is a No Deal plan.

 

I can't wait...  

[stephenterry]

15 hours ago, Loiner said:

We are way beyond that now. The EU have had three years but are still saying “Non”. They failed with the collaberateur May and her Surrender Treaty but are still recalcitrant even in the face of No Deal.
It’s time to simply Leave No Deal. They can try to come up with something when we are completely extricated from the EU clutches.

I take it there's a great plan in place following a no-deal - or is everyone going to sit twiddling their thumbs and blaming all and sundry for the Uk's demise.

 

For clarity, there are always consequences following an act, and currently there's no solution to resolve those - or none on here, anyway. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

I take it there's a great plan in place following a no-deal - or is everyone going to sit twiddling their thumbs and blaming all and sundry for the Uk's demise.

 

For clarity, there are always consequences following an act, and currently there's no solution to resolve those - or none on here, anyway. 

 

 

Don't be fooled. 

 

There never was a Brexit Plan, there never will be a Brexit Plan.

 

There is an objective, protect tax avoidance and tax evasion of the hyper wealthy, and sod the consequences for everyone else. 

 

[cmsally]

Some posts deleted as they were off topic and turning into purely personal to and fro. Please keep on topic without the purely personal remarks.

[stephenterry]

24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Don't be fooled. 

 

There never was a Brexit Plan, there never will be a Brexit Plan.

 

There is an objective, protect tax avoidance and tax evasion of the hyper wealthy, and sod the consequences for everyone else. 

 

Probably self-interest is the be all and end all. Sad, that.  

[stephenterry]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Saying we would lose another rerendum has been mentioned 49 times on here, it is time it was put to bed. Only the losers want another referendum, even parliament doesn't want another referendum.

It will be a GE that decides the ultimate fate of Brexit - on the assumption that a no-deal scenario is blocked by parliament. Whatever the outcome, it won't be forgotten for decades, that's a gimme. But at least I can hope the Tories get decimated for the havoc they've caused. 

[Loiner]

 
You have been warned.
 

We’ve already had all the warnings from every Remainer and his dog, Cameron, Osborne, Carney et al.

So we are still Leaving end of October.

[SheungWan]

 
 
Ask my wife if she is Asian, she will tell you she is Thai.
 
Clear identity - coupled with national pride.
 
You don't get that as a 'European'....... I suppose if you were insecure, or ashamed, of your home country.

Ask the wife analysis.

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[SheungWan]

Leavers understood it could be a no deal exit. But still voted leave. Live with it. Its all on leave. Nothing to do with remainers.

Could be does not equal must be.

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