Landlord won't file TM30, may compromise my visa

[Boy Wonder]

I'm on a non-immigrant education visa and expect to get it extended soon, but my visa representation informed me of the TM30 requirement to get an extension.

 

I contacted my landlord and they do not want to file one for me in order to avoid paying their taxes. I have proof of this in writing, so I guess that gives me some leverage, though I prefer not to go down that route.

 

My visa representation informed me that if I don't have a TM30 filed for me when I go to extend my visa, they will take my passport and give me 30 days to get a TM30 filed. My visa representation is not sure what will happen after that, as it has "never happened before". I assume that after 30 days and still no filing, I will be escorted out of the country?

 

As far as I can see, my only options now (assuming I want to take the path of least resistance) are to negotiate with my landlord. Either they file a TM30 for me and we call it a day, or they allow me to cut my rental contract early so I can move to another condo that will file one for me, while also giving me my full security deposit back, since it'd be their fault I'm leaving early.

 

Has anyone been in a situation like this? Can someone recommend a good course of action for me? I'd like to take the path of least resistance and leave all extreme scenarios as a last resort.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Boy Wonder

[madmen]

Just write one up yourself and take your rental contract as back up

 

Its legal doesn't have to be the landlord who in many case's is unreachable when needed

[spiekerjozef]

You can do the tm30 yourself

[Boy Wonder]

4 minutes ago, madmen said:

Just write one up yourself and take your rental contract as back up

 

Just now, spiekerjozef said:

You can do the tm30 yourself

I asked my visa representation this and they specifically told me that it must be done by the landlord...can you please refer me to where I can file this myself?

[madmen]

I asked my visa representation this and they specifically told me that it must be done by the landlord...can you please refer me to where I can file this myself?

I believe you file under the term possessor as a tenant. You just post it inTo your immigration office or get the app and do it online

 

Hopefully someone will be along to

Correct me if I got this wrong

 

 

 

 

 

[Tanoshi]

Your landlord is unnecessarily worried about paying tax.

Immigration aren't concerned with how much rent you pay, it could be 1 BHT per month, neither do they contact or inform the tax office.

 

You could file yourself as the tenant, or occupier, but will probably need a copy of your landlords Tabien Baan and ID card. Your Visa representative (school) are not very well informed of the process.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Tanoshi

[JohnnyBKK]

8 minutes ago, madmen said:

I believe you file under the term possessor as a tenant. You just post it inTo your immigration office or get the app and do it online

 

Hopefully someone will be along to

Correct me if I got this wrong

 

 

 

 

 

The online thing doesn't really work, I got rejected for no apparent reason.

He should go to the immigration with his rental contract and try to file the TM30 there, if they refuse it, then he could check-in in some hotel and ask for the TM30 from that hotel and use it for his paperwork.

[Boy Wonder]

1 minute ago, JohnnyBKK said:

The online thing doesn't really work, I got rejected for no apparent reason.

He should go to the immigration with his rental contract and try to file the TM30 there, if they refuse it, then he could check-in in some hotel and ask for the TM30 from that hotel and use it for his paperwork.

But then I go out of pocket unnecessarily. Why should I have to pay a few thousand baht extra when I am doing everything according to the law? It's the landlord that should go out of pocket, if anything. 

 

Moreover, I don't think a couple night stay at a hotel will suffice for a one year visa...what about the remaining 363 days? I'm sure immigration will ask the same question.

 

I appreciate the solution, but not sure it will work for me, to be honest.

[JohnnyBKK]

1 minute ago, Boy Wonder said:

But then I go out of pocket unnecessarily. Why should I have to pay a few thousand baht extra when I am doing everything according to the law? It's the landlord that should go out of pocket, if anything. 

 

Moreover, I don't think a couple night stay at a hotel will suffice for a one year visa...what about the remaining 363 days? I'm sure immigration will ask the same question.

 

I appreciate the solution, but not sure it will work for me, to be honest.

That's life, if I was your landlord I would also not file the TM30, it's too annoying. Landlords are supposed to be wealthy, they don't like to deal with <deleted> paperwork like this.

[tomazbodner]

4 minutes ago, Boy Wonder said:

But then I go out of pocket unnecessarily. Why should I have to pay a few thousand baht extra when I am doing everything according to the law? It's the landlord that should go out of pocket, if anything. 

 

Moreover, I don't think a couple night stay at a hotel will suffice for a one year visa...what about the remaining 363 days? I'm sure immigration will ask the same question.

 

I appreciate the solution, but not sure it will work for me, to be honest.

Given your landlord issues - stay a night at reputable hotel that will report you (at Agoda you can find them on sale from 650 baht per night up - consider it a weekend vacation), or move to a new place that would file for you (and probably let go of your deposit), or let your visa expire and spend even more on starting from scratch.

 

Of course you could try the "self-report" as others suggested, but with no documents from landlord that may be a challenge.

 

Yes, it should not be your thing to do, but... life ain't fair. Get used to it.

[Buuge]

Book a night in a cheap hotel, then you're registered

[Boy Wonder]

2 minutes ago, JohnnyBKK said:

That's life, if I was your landlord I would also not file the TM30, it's too annoying. Landlords are supposed to be wealthy, they don't like to deal with <deleted> paperwork like this.

I hear you. But this isn't a case of laziness or lack of communication. The landlord and I have a direct line of communication and the landlord is very responsive. Also, they have an agent, which they never even use because they just communicate with me directly.

 

It's just a case of wanting to avoid taxes, which apparently isn't even an issue according to another comment above.

 

I really don't care for the reasons, it's none of my business and I prefer to keep my mouth shut. I just don't want to lose my visa because of their negligence.

[Boy Wonder]

17 minutes ago, JohnnyBKK said:

The online thing doesn't really work, I got rejected for no apparent reason.

He should go to the immigration with his rental contract and try to file the TM30 there, if they refuse it, then he could check-in in some hotel and ask for the TM30 from that hotel and use it for his paperwork.

 

7 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

Given your landlord issues - stay a night at reputable hotel that will report you (at Agoda you can find them on sale from 650 baht per night up - consider it a weekend vacation), or move to a new place that would file for you (and probably let go of your deposit), or let your visa expire and spend even more on starting from scratch.

 

Of course you could try the "self-report" as others suggested, but with no documents from landlord that may be a challenge.

 

Yes, it should not be your thing to do, but... life ain't fair. Get used to it.

 

6 minutes ago, Buuge said:

Book a night in a cheap hotel, then you're registered

The general consensus seems to be to book a hotel. I'll give it a shot, I suppose. I just hope they don't put "from" and "to" dates on it, or I'll have some questions to answer when I go to immigration. 

 

Thanks, all. Will still be on the lookout for some alternatives, though.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Boy Wonder

[Tanoshi]

2 minutes ago, Boy Wonder said:

I really don't care for the reasons, it's none of my business and I prefer to keep my mouth shut. I just don't want to lose my visa because of their negligence.

It's as much your negligence as it is his.

The owner, tenant or possessor can file, so it's not purely his responsibility as you'll find out when Immigration fine you.

[Tanoshi]

1 minute ago, Boy Wonder said:

The general consensus seems to be to book a hotel. I'll give it a shot, I suppose. I just hope they don't put "from" and "to" dates on it, or I'll have some questions to answer when I go to immigration. 

They do put 'from' and 'to' dates on.

 

All you need are a few document copies and post it.

[Boy Wonder]

3 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

It's as much your negligence as it is his.

The owner, tenant or possessor can file, so it's not purely his responsibility as you'll find out when Immigration fine you.

Fair enough. I've been misinformed, because as far I was made aware (by my visa representation) only the owner can file. I have no issue filing myself.

 

1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

They do put 'from' and 'to' dates on.

 

All you need are a few document copies and post it.

I have the full lease agreement between the landlord and I, do you know what other documents I would need? I will go ahead and search myself but if you've done this before I'd love to know what documents you needed.

[Tanoshi]

14 minutes ago, Boy Wonder said:

Fair enough. I've been misinformed, because as far I was made aware (by my visa representation) only the owner can file. I have no issue filing myself.

 

I have the full lease agreement between the landlord and I, do you know what other documents I would need? I will go ahead and search myself but if you've done this before I'd love to know what documents you needed.

Completed TM30.

Copy of passport photo page.

Copy of current Visa

Copy of TM6

Copy of entry stamp

Copy of Lease

 

Date the TM30 the same day as posting.

Send EMS, with a pre paid EMS return envelope for the receipt.

 

Foreigners can register online, by mail, or in person as the owner,tenant or possessor.

I've been doing it myself for the last 6 year and recently registered for the online reporting.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Tanoshi
Added copy of entry stamp.

[madmen]

Completed TM30.
Copy of passport photo page.
Copy of current Visa
Copy of TM6
Copy of Lease
 
Date the TM30 the same day as posting.
Send EMS, with a pre paid EMS return envelope for the receipt.
 
Foreigners can register online, by mail, or in person as the owner,tenant or possessor.
I've been doing it myself for the last 6 year and recently registered for the online reporting.

This!

[BertM]

23 minutes ago, Boy Wonder said:

Fair enough. I've been misinformed, because as far I was made aware (by my visa representation) only the owner can file. I have no issue filing myself.

 

I have the full lease agreement between the landlord and I, do you know what other documents I would need? I will go ahead and search myself but if you've done this before I'd love to know what documents you needed.

Just file it yourself. IM will probably charge you a fee of 800 THB. I had mine done recently at CW in Bangkok and only needed copies of my passport pages and my lease agreement. No owner docs needed in my case.

Edited August 20, 2019 by BertM

[Peterw42]

 

6 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Completed TM30.

Copy of passport photo page.

Copy of current Visa

Copy of TM6

Copy of Lease

 

Date the TM30 the same day as posting.

Send EMS, with a pre paid EMS return envelope for the receipt.

 

Foreigners can register online, by mail, or in person as the owner,tenant or possessor.

I've been doing it myself for the last 6 year and recently registered for the online reporting.

I think some offices may also want a copy of bluebook.

 

Edited August 20, 2019 by Peterw42

[moe666]

Geez just take your stuff to immigration and do it, if they fine you deduct the fine from your rent. If you want a tm30 guess what move out or file. Sometime life isn't fair even to boy wonders. My wife forged my landlords signature to the form because the land lord refused to come to immigration.

Edited August 20, 2019 by moe666

[Tanoshi]

2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

 

I think some offices may also want a copy of bluebook.

 

Agree having a signed copy of the landlords Tabien Baan and ID card are an advantage, but the OP appears to have one of 'those' landlords.

I bet the landlord has a copy of the OP's ID.

[Boy Wonder]

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Agree having a signed copy of the landlords Tabien Baan and ID card are an advantage, but the OP appears to have one of 'those' landlords.

I bet the landlord has a copy of the OP's ID.

The landlord sure does. But I have theirs, too, for whatever it's worth. All of their information is in the 30+ documents I was given in our lease agreement.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Boy Wonder

[Tanoshi]

5 minutes ago, Boy Wonder said:

The landlord sure does. But I have theirs, too, for whatever it's worth. All of their information is in the 30+ documents I was given in our lease agreement.

Then add a copy of their Tabien Baan and ID card to the application.

[ukrules]

13 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

 

I think some offices may also want a copy of bluebook.

 

I've come across this, they don't need it but if they want to make things harder for you they ask for it. In my case the guy just gave me the original blue book and we used that.

[Buuge]

The general consensus seems to be to book a hotel. I'll give it a shot, I suppose. I just hope they don't put "from" and "to" dates on it, or I'll have some questions to answer when I go to immigration. 
 
Thanks, all. Will still be on the lookout for some alternatives, though.

As far as I read (if I understand correctly) the immigration doesn't care if you're registered too late.
They just care if you are registered at all at the time you're doing your extention (or did I misunderstood?)

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, Boy Wonder said:

My visa representation informed me that if I don't have a TM30 filed for me when I go to extend my visa, they will take my passport and give me 30 days to get a TM30 filed. My visa representation is not sure what will happen after that, as it has "never happened before". I assume that after 30 days and still no filing, I will be escorted out of the country?

The only thing that will happen is they will send you to the TM30 counter to do a TM30 and pay the fine. they wont be taking your passport or escorting you out of the country. At the counter they will probably contact the landlord, so he hasnt avoided his imaginary TAX liability. it has happend before, it happens everyday.

If they can contact the landlord they will fine him, otherwise you will be hit for the fine, pay the fine and you will get a TM30.

[Peterw42]

6 minutes ago, Buuge said:

As far as I read (if I understand correctly) the immigration doesn't care if you're registered too late.
They just care if you are registered at all at the time you're doing your extention (or did I misunderstood?)

yes thats right, so long as you have a TM30 in your hand (or in the system) for the bed you slept in last night, and thats the address you say you live at. 

[Peterw42]

OP, visit the TM30 counter before you visit any other counter at immigration, you just arrived yesterday from a guest house in Nakon Nowhere and would like to do a TM30 for your arrival at your house, supply all the documents you can and they will , 9 times out of 10, do a TM30. If you have bluebook, owners ID, lease etc, its 10/10.

 

They wont check for a TM30 from the guesthouse, they wont check if previous TM30 for your house etc.

 

90 % of TM30 problems disappear if you do a TM30 then your other business.

[ChouDoufu]

1 hour ago, Boy Wonder said:

I contacted my landlord and they do not want to file one for me in order to avoid paying their taxes. I have proof of this in writing, so I guess that gives me some leverage, though I prefer not to go down that route.

 

file yourself.  if they try to fine you, give 'em the landlord's letter where he refuses, in place of he owner id and housebook.

 

i've read some landlords are being fined, i think it's 1600 baht, for non-compliance.