Popular Post DannyCarlton Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, vogie said: Most people with any sense at all will tell you that a no deal is preferential to a no democracy country. All people with any sense will tell you that no deal would be a disaster for the economy. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: He's just been slated for using that phrase by an Irish journalist who pointed out to him that the phrase has different connotations in Ireland due to the troubles. Facepalm for Johnson. Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten, original name Louis Francis Albert Victor Nicholas, prince of Battenberg comes to mind 555. And by the way, in all of Europe, "The Troubles" are called "The British civil war". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Too bad just “Leave” doesn’t exist in reality. And so Brexit is on “Full stop”. ???? It exists and it looks like it's the only real way to get out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, baboon said: I reckon he is just treading water and telling his audiences what he thinks they want to hear, but his plan is for No Deal, and as an acrimonious No Deal as possible. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, nauseus said: It exists and it looks like it's the only real way to get out. Who says we're getting out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: All people with any sense will tell you that no deal would be a disaster for the economy. You of All people know that is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, vogie said: You of All people know that is not true. That's what every expert on the planet is saying. You need to face facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Just now, DannyCarlton said: That's what every expert on the planet is saying. You need to face facts. Here's one that isn't. Stop making things up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucec64 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 15 hours ago, Loiner said: You buy me cola? My fren' tell you about European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 and my queen make law already. European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill - him nooo good, same same Thailand govermen, Not proper law, ching ching. Looks like Noi understands more than the average Remainer. Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/06/house-lords-approves-bill-block-no-deal-brexit-10699603/?ito=cbshare Twitter: https://twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MetroUK/ Parliaments create, amend and repeal laws all the time, as circumstances dictate. Doesn't it make sense that the same body that created the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 can also amend and repeal? Or do you lack basic understanding of how parliament works? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, brucec64 said: Parliaments create, amend and repeal laws all the time, as circumstances dictate. Doesn't it make sense that the same body that created the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 can also amend and repeal? Or do you lack basic understanding of how parliament works? It can and will be done. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Forethat Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: That's what every expert on the planet is saying. You need to face facts. Honest to God, I don't have a clue where you dig up that kind of nonsense. You need to realise that just because you refuse to listen to different views doesn't mean they don't exist. https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/News/brexit-could-boost-uk-economy-by-135-billion-say-top-economists/ *facepalm* 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Forethat said: Honest to God, I don't have a clue where you dig up that kind of nonsense. You need to realise that just because you refuse to listen to different views doesn't mean they don't exist. https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/News/brexit-could-boost-uk-economy-by-135-billion-say-top-economists/ *facepalm* Hard brexiteers to a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, nauseus said: It exists and it looks like it's the only real way to get out. It doesn’t. There’s only “leave with May’s deal” and “leave without a deal”. And maybe there’ll be “leave with a disguised May deal” or “leave with a customs union arrangement”. But there is not such thing as just “leave”. So your referendum result is not applicable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: That's what every expert on the planet is saying. You need to face facts. "Expert" ???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DannyCarlton Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jip99 said: What John doesn't seem to realise is that it's him that will be looking for a job if there's a no deal Brexit. His MP sounds like an honest guy, I'm sure his job will be safe. Edited September 9, 2019 by DannyCarlton 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johnnybangkok Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Forethat said: Honest to God, I don't have a clue where you dig up that kind of nonsense. You need to realise that just because you refuse to listen to different views doesn't mean they don't exist. https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/News/brexit-could-boost-uk-economy-by-135-billion-say-top-economists/ *facepalm* When trying to get your point across perhaps don't quote an established right-wing, Brexit lobby group who's advisory board group includes Jacob Rees-Mogg, Owen Paterson, Matt Ridley and David Jones. *facepalm* 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jip99 said: John's MP is correct 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Slip Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, Forethat said: Honest to God, I don't have a clue where you dig up that kind of nonsense. You need to realise that just because you refuse to listen to different views doesn't mean they don't exist. https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/News/brexit-could-boost-uk-economy-by-135-billion-say-top-economists/ *facepalm* Just wow! Quote Economists for Free Trade, previously (before the referendum on Brexit) called Economists for Brexit, is a lobbying group that promotes no-deal Brexit, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economists_for_Free_Trade Quote The group’s findings that “no deal would be better than a bad deal” have contradicted most other studies on the issue and have been widely criticised as “doubly misleading”. Quote EFT has been feeding its narratives into other thinktanks and campaign groups working out of offices at 55 and 57 Tufton Street, alongside nine other free-market organisations that were accused by a whistleblower of colluding in pushing hard-Brexit messages into the media. https://www.desmog.co.uk/economists-free-trade So certainly not experts- just a bunch of extreme right lobbyists/ shills. And you have the brass-neck to write 'facepalm'. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Forethat Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said: When trying to get your point across perhaps don't quote an established right-wing, Brexit lobby group who's advisory board group includes Jacob Rees-Mogg, Owen Paterson, Matt Ridley and David Jones. *facepalm* When making attempts to debate, do argue the facts rather than the origin of the message. My point was that not all agree. Now there's clear evidence to show that I was right. Again. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jip99 Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said: What John doesn't seem to realise is that it's him that will be looking for a job if there's a no deal Brexit. His MP sounds like an honest guy, I'm sure his job will be safe. No. John’s MP falls in this bracket:- 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, vogie said: Here's one that isn't. Stop making things up. Yet again the same guy ?!?! Do you keep that link in your favourites to break out in emergencies ? So of the thousands of economists who have spelt out the U.K. future you’ve found one that disagrees ???????? At least you have confirmed your economical illiteracy. Edited September 9, 2019 by Bruntoid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruntoid Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, Forethat said: When making attempts to debate, do argue the facts rather than the origin of the message. My point was that not all agree. Now there's clear evidence to show that I was right. Again. Personally I would have stopped digging. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johnnybangkok Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Forethat said: When making attempts to debate, do argue the facts rather than the origin of the message. My point was that not all agree. Now there's clear evidence to show that I was right. Again. And if I ask the foxes if we should have free access to the chicken coup, I'm sure they would agree. However it doesn't prove whether the idea is good for the chickens or not. Quoting reliable, unbiased sources is more important than being 'right'. There are unbiased economists out there who think that a no-deal Brexit would eventually sort itself out but pretty much everyone else is predicting a big hit to the UK's GDP. It's easy to quote any 'expert' when trying to prove your point. The trick is to find the consensus of impartial sources and the consensus firmly says you're wrong. https://theconversation.com/the-economic-cost-of-brexit-is-unavoidable-but-that-doesnt-mean-its-not-worth-it-107913 https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/08/how-bad-would-no-deal-brexit-be-economy https://www.cbi.org.uk/articles/no-deal-brexit-is-a-tripwire-into-economic-chaos/ I could go on but hopefully you get the idea. As a reply, you are more than welcome to support your argument with other, less biased economists quotes. I'll read them. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnybangkok Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jip99 said: No. John’s MP falls in this bracket:- Typical Brexit logic. Using Donald Trump (a man who sees the 10 commandments as a To-Do list) as some sort of political compass. You just couldn't write this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted September 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2019 53 minutes ago, Bruntoid said: Yet again the same guy ?!?! Do you keep that link in your favourites to break out in emergencies ? So of the thousands of economists who have spelt out the U.K. future you’ve found one that disagrees ???????? At least you have confirmed your economical illiteracy. At least you have confirmed your economical illiteracy. You trying to bait me again Brutoid. I used it to prove remainers can be economical with the truth and have you tried contributing anything of value to the debate instead of attacking other members? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 56 minutes ago, Jip99 said: No. John’s MP falls in this bracket:- You are completely correct of course, Donald and Boris ARE THE SWAMP. A swamp of lies and narcissism for a start. Boris is draining himself into a ditch, Donald is wondering how he managed to do it so quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyCarlton Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, vogie said: At least you have confirmed your economical illiteracy. You trying to bait me again Brutoid. I used it to prove remainers can be economical with the truth and have you tried contributing anything of value to the debate instead of attacking other members? And spectacularly failed to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Forethat said: When making attempts to debate, do argue the facts rather than the origin of the message. My point was that not all agree. Now there's clear evidence to show that I was right. Again. Your point that no all agree is undeniably correct. Not everybody agrees that the earth is a sphere. Prof Minford though is a 24 carat looney, way of the spectrum, the Economist magazine politely tore him to shreds. Unfortunately I've lost the link, but it is probably easy to find. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said: It doesn’t. There’s only “leave with May’s deal” and “leave without a deal”. And maybe there’ll be “leave with a disguised May deal” or “leave with a customs union arrangement”. But there is not such thing as just “leave”. So your referendum result is not applicable. Referendum result = leave (or just leave, if you insist). Just leave = leave with, or without a deal. All applicable and legal right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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