2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Most people with any sense at all will tell you that a no deal is preferential to a no democracy country. 

All people with any sense will tell you that no deal would be a disaster for the economy.

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

He's just been slated for using that phrase by an Irish journalist who pointed out to him that the phrase has different connotations in Ireland due to the troubles. Facepalm for Johnson.

Louis Mountbatten, 1st Earl Mountbatten, original name Louis Francis Albert Victor Nicholas, prince of Battenberg comes to mind 555.

 

And by the way, in all of Europe, "The Troubles" are called "The British civil war".

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

Too bad just “Leave” doesn’t exist in reality. And so Brexit is on “Full stop”. ???? 

It exists and it looks like it's the only real way to get out.  

10 minutes ago, baboon said:

I reckon he is just treading water and telling his audiences what he thinks they want to hear, but his plan is for No Deal, and as an acrimonious No Deal as possible.

Time will tell.

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It exists and it looks like it's the only real way to get out.  

Who says we're getting out?

13 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

All people with any sense will tell you that no deal would be a disaster for the economy.

You of All people know that is not true.

1 minute ago, vogie said:

You of All people know that is not true.

That's what every expert on the planet is saying. You need to face facts.

Just now, DannyCarlton said:

That's what every expert on the planet is saying. You need to face facts.

Here's one that isn't. Stop making things up.

 

 

15 hours ago, Loiner said:

You buy me cola? My fren' tell you about European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 and my queen make law already.  

European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill - him nooo good, same same Thailand govermen, Not proper law, ching ching.

 

Looks like Noi understands more than the average Remainer.

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/06/house-lords-approves-bill-block-no-deal-brexit-10699603/?ito=cbshare

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Parliaments create, amend and repeal laws all the time, as circumstances dictate. Doesn't it make sense that the same body that created the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 can also amend and repeal? Or do you lack basic understanding of how parliament works?

5 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

Parliaments create, amend and repeal laws all the time, as circumstances dictate. Doesn't it make sense that the same body that created the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 can also amend and repeal? Or do you lack basic understanding of how parliament works?

It can and will be done.

21 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

That's what every expert on the planet is saying. You need to face facts.

Honest to God, I don't have a clue where you dig up that kind of nonsense. You need to realise that just because you refuse to listen to different views doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/News/brexit-could-boost-uk-economy-by-135-billion-say-top-economists/

 

*facepalm*

4 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Honest to God, I don't have a clue where you dig up that kind of nonsense. You need to realise that just because you refuse to listen to different views doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/News/brexit-could-boost-uk-economy-by-135-billion-say-top-economists/

 

*facepalm*

Hard brexiteers to a man.

33 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It exists and it looks like it's the only real way to get out.  

It doesn’t. There’s only “leave with May’s deal” and “leave without a deal”. And maybe there’ll be “leave with a disguised May deal” or “leave with a customs union arrangement”. But there is not such thing as just “leave”. So your referendum result is not applicable. 

30 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

That's what every expert on the planet is saying. You need to face facts.

"Expert"

 

????????

6 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

What John doesn't seem to realise is that it's him that will be looking for a job if there's a no deal Brexit. His MP sounds like an honest guy, I'm sure his job will be safe.

 

 

Edited September 9, 20196 yr by DannyCarlton

10 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Honest to God, I don't have a clue where you dig up that kind of nonsense. You need to realise that just because you refuse to listen to different views doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/News/brexit-could-boost-uk-economy-by-135-billion-say-top-economists/

 

*facepalm*

When trying to get your point across perhaps don't quote an established right-wing, Brexit lobby group who's advisory board group includes Jacob Rees-Mogg, Owen Paterson, Matt Ridley and David Jones.

 

*facepalm*

13 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

John's MP is correct

17 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Honest to God, I don't have a clue where you dig up that kind of nonsense. You need to realise that just because you refuse to listen to different views doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com/News/brexit-could-boost-uk-economy-by-135-billion-say-top-economists/

 

*facepalm*

Just wow!

 

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Economists for Free Trade, previously (before the referendum on Brexit) called Economists for Brexit, is a lobbying group that promotes no-deal Brexit,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economists_for_Free_Trade

 

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The group’s findings that “no deal would be better than a bad deal” have contradicted most other studies on the issue and have been widely criticised as “doubly misleading”.

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EFT has been feeding its narratives into other thinktanks and campaign groups working out of offices at 55 and 57 Tufton Street, alongside nine other free-market organisations that were accused by a whistleblower of colluding in pushing hard-Brexit messages into the media.

https://www.desmog.co.uk/economists-free-trade

 

So certainly not experts- just a bunch of extreme right lobbyists/ shills.  And you have the brass-neck to write 'facepalm'.

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

When trying to get your point across perhaps don't quote an established right-wing, Brexit lobby group who's advisory board group includes Jacob Rees-Mogg, Owen Paterson, Matt Ridley and David Jones.

 

*facepalm*

When making attempts to debate, do argue the facts rather than the origin of the message. My point was that not all agree. Now there's clear evidence to show that I was right. 

 

Again.

29 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

 

What John doesn't seem to realise is that it's him that will be looking for a job if there's a no deal Brexit. His MP sounds like an honest guy, I'm sure his job will be safe.

 

 

 

 

No. John’s MP falls in this bracket:-

 

 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Here's one that isn't. Stop making things up.

 

 

Yet again the same guy ?!?! Do you keep that link in your favourites to break out in emergencies ? 

 

So of the thousands of economists who have spelt out the U.K. future you’ve found one that disagrees ????????

 

At least you have confirmed your economical illiteracy. 

Edited September 9, 20196 yr by Bruntoid

25 minutes ago, Forethat said:

When making attempts to debate, do argue the facts rather than the origin of the message. My point was that not all agree. Now there's clear evidence to show that I was right. 

 

Again.

Personally I would have stopped digging. 

13 minutes ago, Forethat said:

When making attempts to debate, do argue the facts rather than the origin of the message. My point was that not all agree. Now there's clear evidence to show that I was right. 

 

Again.

And if I ask the foxes if we should have free access to the chicken coup, I'm sure they would agree. However it doesn't prove whether the idea is good for the chickens or not.

Quoting reliable, unbiased sources is more important than being 'right'. There are unbiased economists out there who think that a no-deal Brexit would eventually sort itself out but pretty much everyone else is predicting a big hit to the UK's GDP.

It's easy to quote any 'expert' when trying to prove your point. The trick is to find the consensus of impartial sources and the consensus firmly says you're wrong.

 

https://theconversation.com/the-economic-cost-of-brexit-is-unavoidable-but-that-doesnt-mean-its-not-worth-it-107913

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/08/how-bad-would-no-deal-brexit-be-economy

 

https://www.cbi.org.uk/articles/no-deal-brexit-is-a-tripwire-into-economic-chaos/

 

I could go on but hopefully you get the idea. As a reply, you are more than welcome to support your argument with other, less biased economists quotes. I'll read them.

   

 

8 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

No. John’s MP falls in this bracket:-

 

 

Typical Brexit logic. Using Donald Trump (a man who sees the 10 commandments as a To-Do list) as some sort of political compass.

You just couldn't write this stuff.

53 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Yet again the same guy ?!?! Do you keep that link in your favourites to break out in emergencies ? 

 

So of the thousands of economists who have spelt out the U.K. future you’ve found one that disagrees ????????

 

At least you have confirmed your economical illiteracy. 

At least you have confirmed your economical illiteracy. 

 

You trying to bait me again Brutoid. I used it to prove remainers can be economical with the truth and have you tried contributing anything of value to the debate instead of attacking other members?

56 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

No. John’s MP falls in this bracket:-

 

 

You are completely correct of course, Donald and Boris ARE THE SWAMP. A swamp of lies and narcissism for a start. Boris is draining himself into a ditch, Donald is wondering how he managed to do it so quickly

1 minute ago, vogie said:

At least you have confirmed your economical illiteracy. 

 

You trying to bait me again Brutoid. I used it to prove remainers can be economical with the truth and have you tried contributing anything of value to the debate instead of attacking other members?

And spectacularly failed to do.

1 hour ago, Forethat said:

When making attempts to debate, do argue the facts rather than the origin of the message. My point was that not all agree. Now there's clear evidence to show that I was right. 

 

Again.

Your point that no all agree is undeniably correct. Not everybody agrees that the earth is a sphere.

 

Prof Minford though is a 24 carat looney, way of the spectrum, the Economist magazine politely tore him to shreds. Unfortunately I've lost the link, but it is probably easy to find.

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It doesn’t. There’s only “leave with May’s deal” and “leave without a deal”. And maybe there’ll be “leave with a disguised May deal” or “leave with a customs union arrangement”. But there is not such thing as just “leave”. So your referendum result is not applicable. 

Referendum result = leave (or just leave, if you insist).

 

Just leave = leave with, or without a deal. 

 

All applicable and legal right now.