U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[Becker]

19 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The "Putin propaganda tool" bit is completely worn out, Becker. 

Sorry, didn't realize you were worn out. Do try to get some rest.

Edited October 4, 2019 by Becker

[candide]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Scroll down a bit further and you'll see another headline.  NYT: U.S. envoys drafted statement committing Ukraine president to Biden probe

 

The Dems have bitten off more they can chew.  They've opened Pandora's box.  And it will destroy them.

Are you sure you read it thoroughly?

[johnnybangkok]

Soooooooo many Trump fans getting their 'news' from extremely questionable sources and blaming MSM when their echo chambers are questioned.

Here's an idea. Why don't you just focus on what's coming out of Trumps mouth? There's no questioning the veracity of things when he himself is saying them, surely? For example - '"And by the way, likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens. Because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine'. 

Now try and deny he is NOT asking a foreign power to drag up dirt on his political opponent which is ILLEGAL as under federal law, campaigns are barred from accepting or soliciting a “thing of value” from foreign nationals or governments in connection with an election. 

He's not even trying to hide it any more. 

[Tippaporn]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Soooooooo many Trump fans getting their 'news' from extremely questionable sources and blaming MSM when their echo chambers are questioned.

Here's an idea. Why don't you just focus on what's coming out of Trumps mouth? There's no questioning the veracity of things when he himself is saying them, surely? For example - '"And by the way, likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens. Because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine'. 

Now try and deny he is NOT asking a foreign power to drag up dirt on his political opponent which is ILLEGAL as under federal law, campaigns are barred from accepting or soliciting a “thing of value” from foreign nationals or governments in connection with an election. 

He's not even trying to hide it any more. 

Here's a free tip on how to prevent the government from investigating you.  Run for President!

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Here's a free tip on how to prevent the government from investigating you.  Run for President!

My god what are you not getting? Trump can investigate conspiracy theories to his non-existent hearts content (as long as it's legal) but he CAN'T ask a foreign entity to help him do that.

It's not that complicated.

[Tippaporn]

In the letter from the IC IG:  "As a part of its preliminary review, the ICIC did not request access to records of the President's July 25, 2019, phone call with the Ukrainian President.  I decided that access to the records of the telephone call was not necessary to make my determination that the complaint relating to the urgent concern 'appears crdible.'"

 

LMAO.  Nothing to see hear, folks.    These people are stupid.

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

My god what are you not getting? Trump can investigate conspiracy theories to his non-existent hearts content (as long as it's legal) but he CAN'T ask a foreign entity to help him do that.

It's not that complicated.

Yes he can.  There's a Bill Clinton era treaty that states . . . 

[Tippaporn]

11 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

My god what are you not getting? Trump can investigate conspiracy theories to his non-existent hearts content (as long as it's legal) but he CAN'T ask a foreign entity to help him do that.

It's not that complicated.

Here's another tip.  This one is on how to prevent anyone from asking salient questions.  Yell "conspiracy theory" as loud as you can!

[Becker]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Here's another tip.  This one is on how to prevent anyone from asking salient questions.  Yell "conspiracy theory" as loud as you can!

And here's one for you. If you can't come up with a better deflection don't bother posting.

[Bluespunk]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/04/us-diplomats-told-zelenskiy-ukraine-trump-visit-was-dependent-on-biden-statement-text-investigation

[Sujo]

16 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

In the letter from the IC IG:  "As a part of its preliminary review, the ICIC did not request access to records of the President's July 25, 2019, phone call with the Ukrainian President.  I decided that access to the records of the telephone call was not necessary to make my determination that the complaint relating to the urgent concern 'appears crdible.'"

 

LMAO.  Nothing to see hear, folks.    These people are stupid.

And yet he was 100% right. Go figure.

[Sujo]

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Here's another tip.  This one is on how to prevent anyone from asking salient questions.  Yell "conspiracy theory" as loud as you can!

Well we are waiting for your first post on topic.

 

Heres a tip. Its nothing to do with what biden did or didnt do.

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, candide said:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/liberty-nation/

review, Liberty Nation produces articles and information that strongly favors conservative politics. There is moderate use of loaded language that favors the right such as this: DEMS ON SOCIALISM: IGNORANCE AND ANGER. Liberty Nation utilizes poor sources that are on our questionable list such as CNS News, which has a very poor track record with fact checkers. In general, all stories favor the right and are highly opinion based (propaganda).

Overall, we rate Liberty Nation Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to use of poor sources. (D. Van Zandt 11/23/2017) Updated (8/20/2018)

 

By The way, the author is also authoring articles in 'Russia Insider's.

????

Here's another free tip.  How to prevent people from receiving truthful information and maintain your narrative.  Label it an "unreliable source."

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Here's another free tip.  How to prevent people from receiving truthful information and maintain your narrative.  Label it an "unreliable source."

Yeah those pesky facts again.

[Tippaporn]

21 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/04/us-diplomats-told-zelenskiy-ukraine-trump-visit-was-dependent-on-biden-statement-text-investigation

From the documents made available.  This is only part of what a read.  A long read but . . .

 

<snip>

 

[9/9/19, 12:47:11 AM] (Ambassador) Bill Taylor:  As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.

 

[9/9/19, 5:19:35 AM] (Ambassador) Gordon Sondland:  Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions.  The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo's of any kind.  The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign.  <snip>

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

From the documents made available.  This is only part of what a read.  A long read but . . .

 

<snip>

 

[9/9/19, 12:47:11 AM] (Ambassador) Bill Taylor:  As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.

 

[9/9/19, 5:19:35 AM] (Ambassador) Gordon Sondland:  Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump's intentions.  The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo's of any kind.  The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign.  <snip>

Doesn’t change the facts of what the trump Whitehouse demanded for the visit. 
 

Naughty, naughty, naughty...

[Becker]

26 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Here's another free tip.  How to prevent people from receiving truthful information and maintain your narrative.  Label it an "unreliable source."

Look, we get that you're frustrated due to the mountain of irrefutable evidence proving your guy is a traitor and a criminal but believe me when I tell you your frantic deflections do not help your case a all.

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Doesn’t change the facts of what the trump Whitehouse demanded for the visit. 
 

Naughty, naughty, naughty...

Did you read the documents made available in the Guardian piece?

[Kelsall]

Impeachment is backfiring on the Dems.

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/10/03/trump_fundraising_haul_shows_impeachment_backfiring_on_dems_141397.html

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, Becker said:

Look, we get that you're frustrated due to the mountain of irrefutable evidence proving your guy is a traitor and a criminal but believe me when I tell you your frantic deflections do not help your case a all.

Too funny, Becker.  You make believe that I'm frustrated, you claim mountains of irrefutable evidence as proof when the evidence is up for interpretation, you ignore or discredit evidence to the contrary, and you imaginatively believe I'm deflecting.

 

President Zelensky, the guy who is supposedly being extorted, has said that it's not true.  So let me get this straight.  Trump is accused of extorting a guy who says he wasn't being extorted so we'll charge Trump with extortion anyway.  LMAO.  Twisted, perverse logic.

 

Edited October 4, 2019 by Tippaporn

[Bluespunk]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Did you read the documents made available in the Guardian piece?

Yes. 
 

I also read the article. 
 

“The conversations leave no doubt that the state department was deeply involved in the effort to use the office of the presidency to pressure a foreign government to investigate Trump’s political enemies. At one point the diplomats even draft a statement for Zelenskiy to read out.”

Edited October 4, 2019 by Bluespunk

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Yes. 
 

I also read the article. 

Care to share the damning points?

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Care to share the damning points?

Mostly in the article. 
 

Including the one I shared. 
 

However, here’s another for you

 

Edited October 4, 2019 by Bluespunk

[4675636b596f75]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Care to share the damning points?

You can ask that until you run out of air.  All you will hear is crickets.

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Here's another tip.  This one is on how to prevent anyone from asking salient questions.  Yell "conspiracy theory" as loud as you can!

It's a conspiracy theory when it is completely unverified and without material evidence. The former Ukrainian prosecutor has already said there is no correlation to Biden getting rid of his predecessor and when referring to Hunter Biden “From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” He then went on to say “Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival.'

 

A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful actors, often political in motivation - I don't know what else to call it when it is the very definition of a conspiracy theory.

 

 

[Sujo]

25 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Too funny, Becker.  You make believe that I'm frustrated, you claim mountains of irrefutable evidence as proof when the evidence is up for interpretation, you ignore or discredit evidence to the contrary, and you imaginatively believe I'm deflecting.

 

President Zelensky, the guy who is supposedly being extorted, has said that it's not true.  So let me get this straight.  Trump is accused of extorting a guy who says he wasn't being extorted so we'll charge Trump with extortion anyway.  LMAO.  Twisted, perverse logic.

 

Then you have no issue with the impeachment investigation as it will exonerate him.

 

Actually you should welcome it as it will prove biden corrupt.

 

So it suits you to have it. Stop complaining.

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Then you have no issue with the impeachment investigation as it will exonerate him.

 

Actually you should welcome it as it will prove biden corrupt.

 

So it suits you to have it. Stop complaining.

It's a travesty which I would choose not to have to go through.  But if it must be had then I have no issue and yes, I believe it will exonerate Trump.  And yes, I believe Biden will fall.  And more so, I believe there's more than meets the eye here, and if this was another set-up I believe the bad actors will be held to account.

[Becker]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Too funny, Becker.  You make believe that I'm frustrated, you claim mountains of irrefutable evidence as proof when the evidence is up for interpretation, you ignore or discredit evidence to the contrary, and you imaginatively believe I'm deflecting.

 

President Zelensky, the guy who is supposedly being extorted, has said that it's not true.  So let me get this straight.  Trump is accused of extorting a guy who says he wasn't being extorted so we'll charge Trump with extortion anyway.  LMAO.  Twisted, perverse logic.

 

Do point out the twisted, perverse logic in this:

 

Link: Judge Napolitano: Trump's brazen acts of corruption

"Judge Napolitano's Chambers: Judge Andrew Napolitano explains how President Trump asking a foreign government or any foreign national to get dirt on a political rival is an impeachable offense."

 

PS. @Tippaporn. 30 minutes and nothing. Did the cat get your fingers?

Edited October 4, 2019 by Becker

[Skeptic7]

On 9/25/2019 at 5:24 AM, TopDeadSenter said:

This will hurt Biden and help Trump. Funny, it was only a few months ago that he was about to be impeached for colluding with Russia to game an election. It looks like they are desperate to impeach Trump seeing as he will thrash any Dem candidate, yet don't have a reason to do it. Not good optics for them heading into 2020.

The man-child is so slimy dirty it's hard to pick a starting point. His slippery, slimy ways and days are numbered. The impeachment will not succeed, but The Teflon Don will never be re-elected. 

[Skeptic7]

30 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

The man-child is so slimy dirty it's hard to pick a starting point. His slippery, slimy ways and days are numbered. The impeachment will not succeed, but The Teflon Don will never be re-elected. 

And THEN the real fun begins, when he no longer has the ability to abuse his position and executive privilege.

 

My heart flutters just thinking about it! ????