I watched the warm up act and agreed with much of what I heard.

Upon watching Boris this morning he too defended himself very well but it's clear that the only way out of this fiasco should be an immediate no strings GE.

5 hours ago, Victornoir said:

"I think the people of this country have had enough, Johnson said".
I think that the peoples of Europe also have had enough.

Brexit is a bad project conceived by unscrupulous demagogues. The problem is that the British have validated and they must now realize it. Probably at the cost of an unprecedented economic collapse and downgrading but that was their choice.

As a convinced European, I have no desire to continue with a partner undecided, threatening to leave at the first difficulty. 

No idea who you are, but you clearly have no knowledge of Britain or it's history. No reason why you should, but don't pontificate on a subject about which you know so little.

4 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Dart Veda was in parliament ?

Go Boris !

4 hours ago, steve187 said:

not the first difficulty, we Brits have put up with the mismanagement that is the EU for too long, we should never have entered the EU, we voted back in the 70's for a common market, not a federal state of greater Germany.

Brits have repeatedly conned over the ghastly EU.

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

The current Parliament might be such Opposition.

The Parliament needs an extension Brexit date from the EU and to strengthen/amend its recently passed law to prevent a No-Deal Brexit in order to prevent further machinations by Johnson to suppress parliamentary actions.

But if Parliament gets a no-confidence vote against Johnson, Johnson will then immediately suspend Parliament until the Brexit deadline passes. Keeping Johnson as PM means preventing Corbyn from challenging Johnson for PM (maybe an excuse Corbyn would appreciate) and Parliament essentially controls the Brexit process. From that perspective PM Johnson would become irrelevant and that could be a political benefit for the Opposition.

So, we have a situation where Parliament is acting against the express wishes of the British people as evidenced by the vote to leave, and some think that it is OK for Parliament to ignore the wishes of the people because they disagree with the people they represent. Seems to me that democracy is dead in Britain, and that the MPs killed it.

3 hours ago, vogie said:

And yet he is still more popular as a leader than Jo Swinson and Jeremy Corbyn combined.

.....and several times smarter.

12 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I watched the warm up act and agreed with much of what I heard.

Upon watching Boris this morning he too defended himself very well but it's clear that the only way out of this fiasco should be an immediate no strings GE.

Didn't Boris try to have one, but it was disallowed?

2 hours ago, flossie35 said:

But he did; the reason he gave for the prorogation was not true. The court can recognise a lie when it sees one; buffoon fans just turn a blind one.

He clearly didn't lie, and moreover nobody in authority said he did.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Didn't Boris try to have one, but it was disallowed?

I think it's 3 so far.

Brits have repeatedly conned over the ghastly EU.

Remainers and leftists moaning again that they think Boris lied. Comrade Corbyn and Labour lied about wanting to Leave and they are still lying.
Labour has been lying to its own grass root voters for decades. They don’t deserve the working class votes they still get.

15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Remainers and leftists moaning again that they think Boris lied. Comrade Corbyn and Labour lied about wanting to Leave and they are still lying.
Labour has been lying to its own grass root voters for decades. They don’t deserve the working class votes they still get.

 

This 'lying' lark is being peddled to the point of boredom but was clarified during yesterdays exchanges between Steve Baker MP and the Attorney General which, in short, confirmed no 'porkies' had occurred prior to the SC politically moving the goalposts on Tuesday. They worded it slightly differently but that was the gist in plain English.

Edited September 26, 20196 yr by evadgib

So, we have a situation where Parliament is acting against the express wishes of the British people as evidenced by the vote to leave, and some think that it is OK for Parliament to ignore the wishes of the people because they disagree with the people they represent. Seems to me that democracy is dead in Britain, and that the MPs killed it.

There are no express wishes for no-deal Brexit other than from the fabrications of Hard Brexiteers.

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I watched the warm up act and agreed with much of what I heard.
Upon watching Boris this morning he too defended himself very well but it's clear that the only way out of this fiasco should be an immediate no strings GE.

When Hard Brexiteers kick off with 'Its clear...' its an advance warning of broken record codswallop.

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He clearly didn't lie, and moreover nobody in authority said he did.

He just broke the law and got kicked into touch.

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1 hour ago, evadgib said:

This 'lying' lark is being peddled to the point of boredom but was clarified during yesterdays exchanges between Steve Baker MP and the Attorney General which, in short, confirmed no 'porkies' had occurred prior to the SC politically moving the goalposts on Tuesday. They worded it slightly differently but that was the gist in plain English.

Supported in this clip:

And this was a classic too! ????

 

Edited September 26, 20196 yr by evadgib

....breaking the law that the supreme court had just decided to create.

Stopping Parliament doing its job is OK in Brexiteerland.

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No idea who you are, but you clearly have no knowledge of Britain or it's history. No reason why you should, but don't pontificate on a subject about which you know so little.

Good job we have some experts on hand.

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7 hours ago, John1012 said:

Misleading the Queen? Prove it....

The brexiteer way, look at things the wrong way round.

An allegation was made and it was up to Bojo to prove he didn't, and failed. No defence was offered, just claimed he was outside the law and came to grief just like TM.

8 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Watching the scenes from the Commons yesterday was a total embarrassment. 

There is a clip where as he was leaving he was asked by the Speaker to stay as “it would be respectful to stay as it’s a point of order” and he just muttered a few words, shook his head and left. 

Just about sums sums up where we are at. Shambolic 

I have seen quite some meetings in the House of Commons. What a disgrace of all: jellying, shouting, calling each other whatever, and the speaker with "order, order,"... 

Can any German, Belgium or Dutch believe such a chaos would ever be in OUR Parliaments ?

Maybe because we know the words "Polish Landtag" = chaotic parliamentary meeting.

7 hours ago, steve187 said:

not the first difficulty, we Brits have put up with the mismanagement that is the EU for too long, we should never have entered the EU, we voted back in the 70's for a common market, not a federal state of greater Germany.

The British ( parliament) retified the Lisbon treaty 21 July 2008.

Edited September 26, 20196 yr by puipuitom

7 hours ago, DoctorG said:

What Opposition has ever knocked back the chance for an early election? Can it be that Corbyn knows that he would be roundly defeated?

Like Bojo you seem to think that voting against Corbyn means you are voting for brexit.

The brexit issue needs to be resolved before any GE.

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Should the UK ever leave the EU, it will do so as a broken country. And and I’m not even talking about the economy; that will go on top. 

Exactly. How many that voted to leave were fully aware that their vote would break the country.

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Exactly. How many that voted to leave were fully aware that their vote would break the country.

It is not the leave voters that are breaking the country, it is the remain MPs that are dilly dallying that have and still are destroying it. But nice nice try.

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Didn't Boris try to have one, but it was disallowed?

Yes, and it went against him in court. papers submitted by the government from just a few days previous stated there was no intention to hold a GE.

Changed his mind on a whim, not good for credibility.

4 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

I have seen quite some meetings in the House of Commons. What a disgrace of all: jellying, shouting, calling each other whatever, and the speaker with "order, order,"... 

 

Can any German, Belgium or Dutch believe such a chaos would ever be in OUR Parliaments ?

 

Maybe because we know the words "Polish Landtag" = chaotic parliamentary meeting.

 

I think this is only part of the problem, the language, the use of words that fire up the ignorant and gullible into extreme mindless partisanship. The viciousness, the lies, the aggression, the total lack of humility and moderation, our debating chamber has been turned into a cesspit of feral malignancy, and Bojo is leading this descent into national sickness and humiliation.

Bredan Cox was magnificent on radio 4 this morning, calmly denouncing the inflammatory language. He knows, it was that sort of language that led some twisted Brexiteer extremist to murder his wife.

 

Boris Johnson unbelievably said that the best thing for Jo Cox was for us to get on and deliver Brexit. This is the kind of utterly cras offensive remark that you wouldn't expect from scum in the gutter. Boris Johnson - our PM god save us - has fallen even below the level of scum. 

3 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

He clearly didn't lie, and moreover nobody in authority said he did.

There was no submission made to defend his position so the ruling was based on inadequate defence rather that specific information. A loser by default.

You are quite right there was no direct evidence of a lie other than reality of implication. If he had nothing to hide then a submission would have been made.

 

28 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The British ( parliament) retified the Lisbon treaty 21 July 2008.

well they never asked me or the other 50+ million in the UK

It is not the leave voters that are breaking the country, it is the remain MPs that are dilly dallying that have and still are destroying it. But nice nice try.

Don't dilly-dally. Drive straight off the cliff.

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25 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Exactly. How many that voted to leave were fully aware that their vote would break the country.

more correct would be, did the remain voters fully aware that their vote would break the country in half

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

It is not the leave voters that are breaking the country, it is the remain MPs that are dilly dallying that have and still are destroying it. But nice nice try.

You are perfectly free to believe that those that voted to leave were quite aware that their vote could lead to absolute chaos. According to the leave campaign everything was going to be so easy and people swallowed the rhetoric. The ballot paper should have come with a health and wealth warning, after all the government has a duty of care.

From the day Cameron opened Pandora's Box the writing was on the wall, it was never going to end well.