Stop! Immigration call a halt to illegal work seminar in Chiang Mai

[webfact]

Stop! Immigration call a halt to illegal work seminar in Chiang Mai

 

Picture: INN

 

Around 100 Chinese participants at a seminar in Chiang Mai were shocked when immigration and labor department officials came in the room at a hotel in the downtown area. 

 

Mae Ping police joined the raid at the hotel on Sunday in the Nong Pa Krang area of the city. 

 

It was discovered that the employment seminar had been organised without the necessary licences. 

 

Ten Malaysians led by a Mr Eng were taken away and charged. 

 

Picture: INN

 

The seminar was being recorded or streamed and computer equipment doing that was also taken away for examination. 

 

Neither the nature of the work being offered or the name of the hotel were mentioned in the INN story. 

 

Source: INN

 

 

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[bluesofa]

Looks like the government are successfully doing their best to deter people to visit Thailand.

[colinneil]

Shocking holding a seminar without first parting with the required brown envelope.

Immigration police should get a BIG pat on the back for sorting out those major criminals, making Thailand safe.

I will stop laughing soon.!!!!

[NCC1701A]

Sum Ting Wong with seminar! 

Sum Ting Wong with boat!

Sum Ting Wong with Thailand! 

[Just1Voice]

Everyone at that seminar will go home and tell everyone they know about this b.s., further diminishing Thailands reputation, if that is possible. 

[cmsally]

Err , name of hotel not mentioned. It is right there on the photo of the immigration banner !!

[bitterbatter]

How dare these foreigners bring lots of paying tourists and business to Thailand!  Let's not talk to them and sell the permit to them, instead we will send them to jail and courts where they will be guilty until proven innocent.   Then they will pay big money for not understanding our very difficult to understand system of payola.

[bluesofa]

  On 10/23/2019 at 2:23 AM, bitterbatter said:

How dare these foreigners bring lots of paying tourists and business to Thailand!  Let's not talk to them and sell the permit to them, instead we will send them to jail and courts where they will be guilty until proven innocent.   Then they will pay big money for not understanding our very difficult to understand system of payola.

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Well pointed out. You obviously understand Thai logic very well!

[baansgr]

I would assume the participants paid a fee to the organisers of the event who were in fact working without a permit... Are immigration  really wrong to arrest illegal workers....

[Mango Bob]

You will not be able to go to the toilet in this country soon if you do not have a license or/and a GPS.

[bluesofa]

  On 10/23/2019 at 2:40 AM, baansgr said:

I would assume the participants paid a fee to the organisers of the event who were in fact working without a permit... Are immigration  really wrong to arrest illegal workers....

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'assume'?

It doesn't mention work permit in the report, it says 'licences':

  On 10/23/2019 at 2:02 AM, webfact said:

It was discovered that the employment seminar had been organised without the necessary licences. 

Ten Malaysians led by a Mr Eng were taken away and charged. 

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[bluesofa]

  On 10/23/2019 at 2:47 AM, Mango Bob said:

You will not be able to go to the toilet in this country soon if you do not have a license or/and a GPS.

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GPS: General Permission to Sh!t.

[cmsally]

You would have thought the hotel would be checking/organising paperwork with a conference of this size. How could the issue not have arisen when they hired the space in a hotel of this size/grade. If this was a smaller , less plush hotel it would almost be a sure thing that the hotel owner/manager would have been hauled up too.

[Number 6]

 

Does anyone recall the liberalization of work rules less than a year ago? One item specifically mentioned was the ability for people overseas to hold seminars and work trade shows. I'm old but I do recall this...

 

What a joke.

[keith101]

  On 10/23/2019 at 3:20 AM, Number 6 said:

 

Does anyone recall the liberalization of work rules less than a year ago? One item specifically mentioned was the ability for people overseas to hold seminars and work trade shows. I'm old but I do recall this...

 

What a joke.

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But as we all know each Imm office has its own rules and what can be done in one place cannot in another .

[bluesofa]

  On 10/23/2019 at 3:20 AM, Number 6 said:

 

Does anyone recall the liberalization of work rules less than a year ago? One item specifically mentioned was the ability for people overseas to hold seminars and work trade shows. I'm old but I do recall this...

 

What a joke.

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I too remember this, but wasn't sure if seminars were included. So they obviously were.

 

Fancy not knowing you needed a 'licence' too.

I wonder what that might be for - opening your mouth in public, standing in front more than five people, encouraging people to work?

The bureaucratic possibilities are endless.

[Number 6]

  On 10/23/2019 at 3:26 AM, bluesofa said:

I too remember this, but wasn't sure if seminars were included. So they obviously were.

 

Fancy not knowing you needed a 'licence' too.

I wonder what that might be for - opening your mouth in public, standing in front more than five people, encouraging people to work?

The bureaucratic possibilities are endless.

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I think much of the law here is just made up. Cops see opportunity for graft and that motivates. 

 

Legal permission to hold a seminar? I bet this is 'new law' falling under the vague and often used 'national security' excuse. I'd love to see the law that was broken. Draconian. 

 

Let's hope it was some sketchy boiler room, time share, penny stock, MLM seminar.

[bluesofa]

  On 10/23/2019 at 3:33 AM, Number 6 said:

I think much of the law here is just made up. Cops see opportunity for graft and that motivates. 

 

Legal permission to hold a seminar? I bet this is 'new law' falling under the vague and often used 'national security' excuse. I'd love to see the law that was broken. Draconian. 

 

Let's hope it was some sketchy boiler room, time share, penny stock, MLM seminar.

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Of course it's made up.

 

How could we forget the PM's hatred of free speech, and his persecution of anyone reading 1984, by charging them with "eating a sandwich with political intent" in June 2014.

[Mickc]

I just dont understand how they cant see the damage that they are doing. Their priorities are just all wrong.

[ThomasThBKK]

Holding seminars is allowed, paid conferences def. not, even in bangkok they handle it like that.

 

 

thai laws as always mean nothing anyway, banana...

[rvaviator]

  On 10/23/2019 at 4:30 AM, ThomasThBKK said:

Holding seminars is allowed, paid conferences def. not, even in bangkok they handle it like that.
 
 
thai laws as always mean nothing anyway, banana...

Does anyone know what the subject of the seminar was ?


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[Number 6]

I can see the issue if money is being made. It's business and Thailand and the cops not getting their cut. Fair enough but a license? Hopefully they mean a permit. Anyway, it's hopelessly anti business. Just hope it was something worth shutting down like MLM or how to set up boiler room operation in Thailand. 

 

Shame on the hotel for letting it happen.

 

[bluesofa]

  On 10/23/2019 at 4:49 AM, rvaviator said:

Does anyone know what the subject of the seminar was ?
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'The Ease Of Doing Business In Thailand'

[ThomasThBKK]

  On 10/23/2019 at 5:07 AM, Number 6 said:

I can see the issue if money is being made. It's business and Thailand and the cops not getting their cut. Fair enough but a license? Hopefully they mean a permit. Anyway, it's hopelessly anti business. Just hope it was something worth shutting down like MLM or how to set up boiler room operation in Thailand. 

 

Shame on the hotel for letting it happen.

 

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You can ATTEND a conference, seminar etc on a tourist visa, that's totally fine now after the emergency decree.

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(1) a non-Thai who comes to Thailand on a short-term periodic basis to: hold or to attend a meeting, lecture, seminar, training, exhibition of art or culture, or sports competition; provide an opinion; inspect work of others; or, any other activities, as prescribed by the Council of Ministers.

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I think here the line has been crossed when they charged money for this and especially because it is sketchy af - this isn't a meeting/seminar, it looks like a boiler room scam

The ones that attended had no issues tho.

 

If you take a look at the picture of immigration and the style of how the conference was done - it looks to me like the typical MLM/PONZI/MONEYGAME/BOILERROOM scam.

They ship chinese over to conferences in Thailand to rip them off, it's very common. I can imagine why they didn't try to get it registered...

 

 

This is one of the rare cases where i actually think what the coppers did is correct, and also the journalism is exceptionally bad, the original article talks about promotion of ILLEGAL BUSINESS. Everything including finance needs a license to promote, those are the rules in pretty much every country. you can't just put people in a room and sell them investments.

 

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Pol.Lt.Gen. Somphong Chingdao, Director of Immigration Bureau together with Immigration in Chiang Mai Announcing the arrest of 10 Malaysian aliens using the area of Chiang Mai to organize a seminar to engage in illegal business activities.

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This is what google translate says... maybe someone with proper thai can translate the original article...

[Matzzon]

  On 10/23/2019 at 2:05 AM, bluesofa said:

Looks like the government are successfully doing their best to deter people to visit Thailand.

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Why would that be? Looks to me that they are trying to catch people that are working illegal or offering work/products illegally.

[alan grice]

Police just followed a Flag with 100 folks waddling behind it.[emoji85]


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[Justgrazing]

  On 10/23/2019 at 2:02 AM, webfact said:

 

Around 100 Chinese participants at a seminar in Chiang Mai were shocked when immigration and labor department officials came in the room at a hotel

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with taser's .? 

[tifino]

  On 10/23/2019 at 3:02 AM, cmsally said:

You would have thought the hotel would be checking/organising paperwork with a conference of this size. How could the issue not have arisen when they hired the space in a hotel of this size/grade. If this was a smaller , less plush hotel it would almost be a sure thing that the hotel owner/manager would have been hauled up too.

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maybe if it had been a (more than 3 people) gathering 'outside' - then could also have played

[thequietman]

  On 10/23/2019 at 3:26 AM, keith101 said:

But as we all know each Imm office has its own rules and what can be done in one place cannot in another .

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To quote my local Imm officer, 

 

"New Rules, New Rules."  ????

[transam]

  On 10/23/2019 at 3:26 AM, bluesofa said:

I too remember this, but wasn't sure if seminars were included. So they obviously were.

 

Fancy not knowing you needed a 'licence' too.

I wonder what that might be for - opening your mouth in public, standing in front more than five people, encouraging people to work?

The bureaucratic possibilities are endless.

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Fink one of them was getting married at the same time....????